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Eddy Bayton

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Just changed the filler hose on my swb 2a. Apart from the usual hot water
and light greasing etc, it took the removal of the filler spout from the
rear tub and a significant cut out of the rear bulkhead to prevent the new
hose from chafing as the old one had done over the years. The fault was
originally highlighted when I went to fill up and put just over a quids
worth of juice into my front seat before I stopped pumping. Very scary as
the petrol came out of the door.

Anyone checked their filler hose recently. It appears unprotected behind the
drivers seat back.

(previously posted and didn't appear)




 
On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:18:51 +0000 (UTC), "Eddy Bayton"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Just changed the filler hose on my swb 2a. Apart from the usual hot water
>and light greasing etc, it took the removal of the filler spout from the
>rear tub and a significant cut out of the rear bulkhead to prevent the new
>hose from chafing as the old one had done over the years. The fault was
>originally highlighted when I went to fill up and put just over a quids
>worth of juice into my front seat before I stopped pumping. Very scary as
>the petrol came out of the door.
>
>Anyone checked their filler hose recently. It appears unprotected behind the
>drivers seat back.
>


Current replacement part that you get is not designed for the IIa at
all, I believe it is a later 90/110 part that is "equivalent" - hence
the requirement to cut the hole about 1/2" higher behind the seat to
stop it slicing through the hose. The original hoses tend to rub on
the seat back at the bottom where it comes through the bulkhead, the
replacement hoses are worse, exacerpated if you have a late IIa with
independant seat frames.

And they're always a bastard to fit, far easier to remove the filler
neck from the body.

LR do this quite often with superceeded parts - try ordering a
handbrake relay lever/shaft for a IIa, the shaft will not fit the
keyway hole in the chassis bracket on a IIa, as it is designed for a
larger keyway as present on the chassis of later vehicles. The reason
for changing the keyway will be quite apparent when you try to remove
the old IIa relay shaft......

Alex
 
On Wednesday 21 September 2005 10:18, Eddy
Bayton([email protected]) wrote in message
<[email protected]>

> Just changed the filler hose on my swb 2a. Apart from the usual hot water
> and light greasing etc...


> (previously posted and didn't appear)


Yes it did.

First message shows 9:59 BST
Test message shows 10:09 BST
This message shows 10:18 BST

Be patient! ;-)

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> > Just changed the filler hose on my swb 2a. Apart from the usual hot
water
> > and light greasing etc...

>
> > (previously posted and didn't appear)

>
> Yes it did.
>
> First message shows 9:59 BST
> Test message shows 10:09 BST
> This message shows 10:18 BST
>
> Be patient! ;-)


I am patient, but something is wrong when the test and second posting appear
immediately with me (well 3 minutes) and the original posting is still
absent eight hours later.

Still thanks everyone for your comments, the tubes seemed to be very similar
in design and angle but who knows? Glad to know everyone has to make that
cut to get a replacement hose in. I have sleeved the hose in light aluminium
to act as a grommett where any chafing may occur.

Eddy


 
On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:46:54 +0000 (UTC), "Eddy Bayton"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>
>> Be patient! ;-)

>
>I am patient, but something is wrong when the test and second posting appear
>immediately with me (well 3 minutes) and the original posting is still
>absent eight hours later.


Use a decent news server. The one you are on now is obviously crap!


 

>
> Use a decent news server. The one you are on now is obviously crap!
>

Well it might have been moulded and bent by Britpart I admit


 
In message <[email protected]>
Alex <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:18:51 +0000 (UTC), "Eddy Bayton"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Just changed the filler hose on my swb 2a. Apart from the usual hot water
> >and light greasing etc, it took the removal of the filler spout from the
> >rear tub and a significant cut out of the rear bulkhead to prevent the new
> >hose from chafing as the old one had done over the years. The fault was
> >originally highlighted when I went to fill up and put just over a quids
> >worth of juice into my front seat before I stopped pumping. Very scary as
> >the petrol came out of the door.
> >
> >Anyone checked their filler hose recently. It appears unprotected behind the
> >drivers seat back.
> >

>
> Current replacement part that you get is not designed for the IIa at
> all, I believe it is a later 90/110 part that is "equivalent" - hence
> the requirement to cut the hole about 1/2" higher behind the seat to
> stop it slicing through the hose. The original hoses tend to rub on
> the seat back at the bottom where it comes through the bulkhead, the
> replacement hoses are worse, exacerpated if you have a late IIa with
> independant seat frames.


Not true - the part is the correct one. However, for some reason,
the filler appears to have moved on the tank over the years......

>
> And they're always a bastard to fit, far easier to remove the filler
> neck from the body.
>
> LR do this quite often with superceeded parts - try ordering a
> handbrake relay lever/shaft for a IIa, the shaft will not fit the
> keyway hole in the chassis bracket on a IIa, as it is designed for a
> larger keyway as present on the chassis of later vehicles. The reason
> for changing the keyway will be quite apparent when you try to remove
> the old IIa relay shaft......
>


ahem - the shaft, this bit that goes into the chassis, is entirely
different on a SII to a SIII.

The SII version (which are different for 88" and 109") have been
unavailable for years - there is no supercession.

Apart form the recent stunningly stupid supercession on Defender front
doors* (whoever came up with that bright idea should be moved to
car-parking duties until they understand the concept of "Engineering"
and "Cost Of Ownership") I've yet to come accross a supersession that
that does not work, even though sometimes the pile of bits required
can be rather expensive.

It is true though that since the BMW take-over and the dumping of Unipart
(now back again for the "Classic" parts system - more ranting) an
awfult lot of Series parts are now NLA.

> Alex


Richard

*all Defender push button doors are superceeded to the current Td5
flavour. You spend the best part of 300 quid on a new door and winder
panel and you still have to drill & cut - ridiculous.
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>>
>> Current replacement part that you get is not designed for the IIa at
>> all, I believe it is a later 90/110 part that is "equivalent" - hence
>> the requirement to cut the hole about 1/2" higher behind the seat to
>> stop it slicing through the hose. The original hoses tend to rub on
>> the seat back at the bottom where it comes through the bulkhead, the
>> replacement hoses are worse, exacerpated if you have a late IIa with
>> independant seat frames.

>
>Not true - the part is the correct one. However, for some reason,
>the filler appears to have moved on the tank over the years......
>


Oh yes? and the hole in the floor of the tub which the filler neck
fits through has moved as well to accomodate the filler being in a
different position on the tank, all without me noticing?

>>
>> LR do this quite often with superceeded parts - try ordering a
>> handbrake relay lever/shaft for a IIa, the shaft will not fit the
>> keyway hole in the chassis bracket on a IIa, as it is designed for a
>> larger keyway as present on the chassis of later vehicles. The reason
>> for changing the keyway will be quite apparent when you try to remove
>> the old IIa relay shaft......

>
>ahem - the shaft, this bit that goes into the chassis, is entirely
>different on a SII to a SIII.
>
>The SII version (which are different for 88" and 109") have been
>unavailable for years - there is no supercession.
>


I was referring to late SIIa version, which is identical to the SIII
version. The early version does not have a keyway on it as it bolts
onto to both sides of the chassis.

Only SII's before 1967 used the shaft which bolted onto both sides of
the chassis rail, different parts for 88 (#240829) and 109 (#267193,
also fits Series I 107/109"), both of which ARE still available.

Part number 577137 which fits IIa and III from 1967 to 1984, is the
same for SWB and LWB. If you order this part from landrover, it will
NOT fit a 1968 IIa without modifying the keyway hole in the chassis
bracket.

Alex
 
In message <[email protected]>
Alex <[email protected]> wrote:

> >>
> >> Current replacement part that you get is not designed for the IIa at
> >> all, I believe it is a later 90/110 part that is "equivalent" - hence
> >> the requirement to cut the hole about 1/2" higher behind the seat to
> >> stop it slicing through the hose. The original hoses tend to rub on
> >> the seat back at the bottom where it comes through the bulkhead, the
> >> replacement hoses are worse, exacerpated if you have a late IIa with
> >> independant seat frames.

> >
> >Not true - the part is the correct one. However, for some reason,
> >the filler appears to have moved on the tank over the years......
> >

>
> Oh yes? and the hole in the floor of the tub which the filler neck
> fits through has moved as well to accomodate the filler being in a
> different position on the tank, all without me noticing?
>


"Not true - the part is the correct one. However, for some reason,
the filler appears to have moved on the tank over the years......"

Just think about what I've said above -



> >>
> >> LR do this quite often with superceeded parts - try ordering a
> >> handbrake relay lever/shaft for a IIa, the shaft will not fit the
> >> keyway hole in the chassis bracket on a IIa, as it is designed for a
> >> larger keyway as present on the chassis of later vehicles. The reason
> >> for changing the keyway will be quite apparent when you try to remove
> >> the old IIa relay shaft......

> >
> >ahem - the shaft, this bit that goes into the chassis, is entirely
> >different on a SII to a SIII.
> >
> >The SII version (which are different for 88" and 109") have been
> >unavailable for years - there is no supercession.
> >

>
> I was referring to late SIIa version, which is identical to the SIII
> version. The early version does not have a keyway on it as it bolts
> onto to both sides of the chassis.
>
> Only SII's before 1967 used the shaft which bolted onto both sides of
> the chassis rail, different parts for 88 (#240829) and 109 (#267193,
> also fits Series I 107/109"), both of which ARE still available.
>
> Part number 577137 which fits IIa and III from 1967 to 1984, is the
> same for SWB and LWB. If you order this part from landrover, it will
> NOT fit a 1968 IIa without modifying the keyway hole in the chassis
> bracket.
>


So your not ordering the right part! 577137 is for Suff. D vehicles
onwards.

> Alex


Richard

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>>
>> I was referring to late SIIa version, which is identical to the SIII
>> version. The early version does not have a keyway on it as it bolts
>> onto to both sides of the chassis.
>>
>> Only SII's before 1967 used the shaft which bolted onto both sides of
>> the chassis rail, different parts for 88 (#240829) and 109 (#267193,
>> also fits Series I 107/109"), both of which ARE still available.
>>
>> Part number 577137 which fits IIa and III from 1967 to 1984, is the
>> same for SWB and LWB. If you order this part from landrover, it will
>> NOT fit a 1968 IIa without modifying the keyway hole in the chassis
>> bracket.
>>

>
>So your not ordering the right part! 577137 is for Suff. D vehicles
>onwards.
>


Oh look! My Vehicle chassis number ends in D! What a surprise! Suffix
D from April 1967 - as i said, 577137 from 1967 to 1984. Vehicles
prior ro Suffix D use the different parts for 88 and 109.

So now explain why it doesn't fit.

Alex
 
In message <[email protected]>
Alex <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> >>
> >> I was referring to late SIIa version, which is identical to the SIII
> >> version. The early version does not have a keyway on it as it bolts
> >> onto to both sides of the chassis.
> >>
> >> Only SII's before 1967 used the shaft which bolted onto both sides of
> >> the chassis rail, different parts for 88 (#240829) and 109 (#267193,
> >> also fits Series I 107/109"), both of which ARE still available.
> >>
> >> Part number 577137 which fits IIa and III from 1967 to 1984, is the
> >> same for SWB and LWB. If you order this part from landrover, it will
> >> NOT fit a 1968 IIa without modifying the keyway hole in the chassis
> >> bracket.
> >>

> >
> >So your not ordering the right part! 577137 is for Suff. D vehicles
> >onwards.
> >

>
> Oh look! My Vehicle chassis number ends in D! What a surprise! Suffix
> D from April 1967 - as i said, 577137 from 1967 to 1984. Vehicles
> prior ro Suffix D use the different parts for 88 and 109.
>
> So now explain why it doesn't fit.
>
> Alex


Because it's the wrong bloody part - IT DOES NOT FIT - you say so
yourself!!!!!

End of thread.

Richard
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On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:54:40 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In message <[email protected]>
> Alex <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> >>
>> >> I was referring to late SIIa version, which is identical to the SIII
>> >> version. The early version does not have a keyway on it as it bolts
>> >> onto to both sides of the chassis.
>> >>
>> >> Only SII's before 1967 used the shaft which bolted onto both sides of
>> >> the chassis rail, different parts for 88 (#240829) and 109 (#267193,
>> >> also fits Series I 107/109"), both of which ARE still available.
>> >>
>> >> Part number 577137 which fits IIa and III from 1967 to 1984, is the
>> >> same for SWB and LWB. If you order this part from landrover, it will
>> >> NOT fit a 1968 IIa without modifying the keyway hole in the chassis
>> >> bracket.
>> >>
>> >
>> >So your not ordering the right part! 577137 is for Suff. D vehicles
>> >onwards.
>> >

>> Oh look! My Vehicle chassis number ends in D! What a surprise! Suffix
>> D from April 1967 - as i said, 577137 from 1967 to 1984. Vehicles
>> prior ro Suffix D use the different parts for 88 and 109.
>>
>> So now explain why it doesn't fit.

>
>Because it's the wrong bloody part - IT DOES NOT FIT - you say so
>yourself!!!!!
>


You're so bloody clever, you tell me which part does fit then.

Alex

 
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