Sense from the powers that be?

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On 2006-01-22, Dave Liquorice <[email protected]> wrote:

> A minority of trail motorcyclists and 4x4 drivers who continue to
> ignore guidelines for using Lake District 'green roads' are being
> targeted.


I wonder how many of those "large groups" are organised trips by
landrover magazines, commercial organisations and off-road user clubs?
Having seen trips organised by all three, groups of 15 trucks seems to
be the minimum. I moaned to the organiser of one trip I went on and
he said that one of the big landrover mags regularly organised trips
into Wales in 30-50 vehicle convoys. I can't remember which magazine
he was talking about now but I've heard talk of limiting off-roading
to members of approved clubs or organisation, which would probably be
counter-productive given their cram-em-in philosophy.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
....and Ian Rawlings spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...

> I wonder how many of those "large groups" are organised trips by
> landrover magazines, commercial organisations and off-road user clubs?
> Having seen trips organised by all three, groups of 15 trucks seems to
> be the minimum. I moaned to the organiser of one trip I went on and
> he said that one of the big landrover mags regularly organised trips
> into Wales in 30-50 vehicle convoys. I can't remember which magazine
> he was talking about now but I've heard talk of limiting off-roading
> to members of approved clubs or organisation, which would probably be
> counter-productive given their cram-em-in philosophy.


We did the LRO "Wild Wales Safari" a year ago this weekend. The whole group
was about 30 vehicles, but thankfully split into 3 groups which travelled
independently. I was still a little uncomfortable about being in a group of
10 or so. It was a bit like queueing for a takeaway at times.

--
Rich
==============================

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.


 
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:32:48 -0000, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:

>...and Ian Rawlings spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...
>
>> I wonder how many of those "large groups" are organised trips by
>> landrover magazines, commercial organisations and off-road user clubs?
>> Having seen trips organised by all three, groups of 15 trucks seems to
>> be the minimum. I moaned to the organiser of one trip I went on and
>> he said that one of the big landrover mags regularly organised trips
>> into Wales in 30-50 vehicle convoys. I can't remember which magazine
>> he was talking about now but I've heard talk of limiting off-roading
>> to members of approved clubs or organisation, which would probably be
>> counter-productive given their cram-em-in philosophy.

>
>We did the LRO "Wild Wales Safari" a year ago this weekend. The whole group
>was about 30 vehicles, but thankfully split into 3 groups which travelled
>independently. I was still a little uncomfortable about being in a group of
>10 or so. It was a bit like queueing for a takeaway at times.


Right <GLASS hat on>

GLASS recommend travelling in groups of 4 or less when laning. There
are several reasons for this:

a) The Lake District Hierarchy Of Trails (HoTR) states that groups of
more than 4 vehicles can be cause for complaint. Such complaints now
under law can lead to fines, imprisonment or confiscation of your
vehicle (cant remember the Act that applies)

b) Large groups are more intrusive. People notice large convoys of
vehicles, but not 3 or 4 small convoys of 4 or less. eg you are
walking down the road and see 10 tricked up vehicles headingtowards
you, what do you think? 4 vehicle convoys tend not to be noticed as
much, particularly if spread around over different start points.

c) Its much harder to manage large convoys. I have led trips out with
me and 3 others, and find that 9 times out of 10, I can see the whole
convoy. I suspect that a large convoy of 10 vehicles would be
difficult to control for the leader.

d) These are the activites that the NERC bill is focusing on, and
general the 99.9% of us who behave are being punished for the 0.1% who
dont.

</GLASS hat>

My own rant:

Unfortunately, depsite continuous pressure, the mags don't seem to
want to tow the line. One mag recently had to issue an apology for
publishing some pictures of them laning which showed them wading
through a river at speed, with water surging up the screen. Speak to
the editors, and all they are bothereed about is selling mags, and
"impressive pictures of vehicles covered in mud and in action" sells
the mags. Trouble is, it gets the rest of us a bad name.

Through out the course of 2005 I met with many of the staff of the
mags as part of my role within GLASS last year, and have to say, I was
not impressed with their attitudes, especially the two that wanted to
play one of the other (and no Martyn, no prizes for guessing!!!!)

I think I found 2 decent journos in all my talking, and met both of
them at Gaydon...... and one again at Peterborough.

Sign up to GLASS and help support sensible green laning. Many of us
in AFL are already members.
--

Simon Isaacs

Peterborough 4x4 Club Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Financial Director
101 Ambi, undergoing camper conversion www.simoni.co.uk
1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body sheel, being bobbed and modded.....
 
....and Simon Isaacs spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...

> Right <GLASS hat on>
>
> GLASS recommend travelling in groups of 4 or less when laning.


Which is why I said I felt uncomfortable.

> Sign up to GLASS and help support sensible green laning. Many of us
> in AFL are already members.


I signed up at Malvern, remember? I've not done any laning since, but the
mags are a damn good read. FWIW, I think we should all support GLASS, even
if we are not active laners. The alternative is roll over and play dead.

--
Rich
==============================

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.


 
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:47:14 -0000, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:

>...and Simon Isaacs spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...
>
>> Right <GLASS hat on>
>>
>> GLASS recommend travelling in groups of 4 or less when laning.

>
>Which is why I said I felt uncomfortable.
>
>> Sign up to GLASS and help support sensible green laning. Many of us
>> in AFL are already members.

>
>I signed up at Malvern, remember? I've not done any laning since, but the
>mags are a damn good read. FWIW, I think we should all support GLASS, even
>if we are not active laners. The alternative is roll over and play dead.


i do remember! I also remember spending an hour with austin, but was
not quite successful!
--

Simon Isaacs

Peterborough 4x4 Club Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Financial Director
101 Ambi, undergoing camper conversion www.simoni.co.uk
1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body sheel, being bobbed and modded.....
 
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:07:53 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I also remember spending an hour with austin, but was
>not quite successful!


He was still in shock after spending 6 quid on autojumble :)

 
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:23:03 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs
<[email protected]> wrote:

>mags as part of my role within GLASS last year, and have to say, I was
>not impressed with their attitudes, especially the two that wanted to
>play one of the other (and no Martyn, no prizes for guessing!!!!)


With limited exceptions I class all the mags as criminally
irresponsible.

>I think I found 2 decent journos in all my talking, and met both of
>them at Gaydon...... and one again at Peterborough.


Of the 30+ journos I know, I'd only give houseroom / tentroom to three
or four of them at most.

>Sign up to GLASS and help support sensible green laning. Many of us
>in AFL are already members.


Some got life... Joining GLASS is more than expressing a will to
maintain our ancient rights of way - it's about developing and
fostering a collective responsibility, embracing the use of our
environment in a symbiotic manner - so we all have a stake in the
future of a harmonious countrside for our children, and their children
to enjoy in whatever way they see responsibly fit. If NERC kicks in,
only those who are fit, able and healthy will be able to enjoy the
countryside. The disabled, elderly and infirm will effectively be
banned from the majority of our ancient rights of way.

All IMO an all that.


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
 
Simon Isaacs wrote:

> i do remember! I also remember spending an hour with austin, but was
> not quite successful!


Next you'll be complaining that I won't join. :p


--
EMB
 
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:26:35 +0000, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
scribbled the following nonsense:

>On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:07:53 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I also remember spending an hour with austin, but was
>>not quite successful!

>
>He was still in shock after spending 6 quid on autojumble :)


yeah, but look at what he got for his £6
--

Simon Isaacs

Peterborough 4x4 Club Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Financial Director
101 Ambi, undergoing camper conversion www.simoni.co.uk
1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body sheel, being bobbed and modded.....
 
On or around Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:26:35 +0000, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:

>On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:07:53 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I also remember spending an hour with austin, but was
>>not quite successful!

>
>He was still in shock after spending 6 quid on autojumble :)


I spent considerably more'n that. Mind, still not actually *fitted* the
window catches.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"It is a characteristic of the human mind to hate the man one has injured"
Tacitus (c.55 - c.117) Agricola, 45
 
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