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Alex
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These retail at around £2 each......
These retail at around £2 each......
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Matthew Maddock
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Alex wrote:
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300002411610
>
> These retail at around £2 each......
Some people are so stupid that they will pay it! I remember the BMW
service indicator reset tools that you could buy for £12.95 from G&S
selling for near £30 on eBay!
Matt
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300002411610
>
> These retail at around £2 each......
Some people are so stupid that they will pay it! I remember the BMW
service indicator reset tools that you could buy for £12.95 from G&S
selling for near £30 on eBay!
Matt
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EMB
Guest
Matthew Maddock wrote:
> Alex wrote:
>
>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300002411610
>>
>> These retail at around £2 each......
>
>
> Some people are so stupid that they will pay it! I remember the BMW
> service indicator reset tools that you could buy for £12.95 from G&S
> selling for near £30 on eBay!
Even at £12.95 they are expensive - BMW service indicators can be reset
with a short length of wire (or a test light if you want to be a bit safer).
--
EMB
> Alex wrote:
>
>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300002411610
>>
>> These retail at around £2 each......
>
>
> Some people are so stupid that they will pay it! I remember the BMW
> service indicator reset tools that you could buy for £12.95 from G&S
> selling for near £30 on eBay!
Even at £12.95 they are expensive - BMW service indicators can be reset
with a short length of wire (or a test light if you want to be a bit safer).
--
EMB
M
Matthew Maddock
Guest
EMB wrote:
> Matthew Maddock wrote:
>> Alex wrote:
>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300002411610
>>>
>>> These retail at around £2 each......
>>
>>
>> Some people are so stupid that they will pay it! I remember the BMW
>> service indicator reset tools that you could buy for £12.95 from G&S
>> selling for near £30 on eBay!
>
> Even at £12.95 they are expensive - BMW service indicators can be reset
> with a short length of wire (or a test light if you want to be a bit
> safer).
Yes - and that's the way I used to do it! a bent paper clip - the
ubiquitous part number PC01
Matt
> Matthew Maddock wrote:
>> Alex wrote:
>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300002411610
>>>
>>> These retail at around £2 each......
>>
>>
>> Some people are so stupid that they will pay it! I remember the BMW
>> service indicator reset tools that you could buy for £12.95 from G&S
>> selling for near £30 on eBay!
>
> Even at £12.95 they are expensive - BMW service indicators can be reset
> with a short length of wire (or a test light if you want to be a bit
> safer).
Yes - and that's the way I used to do it! a bent paper clip - the
ubiquitous part number PC01
Matt
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beamendsltd
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In message <[email protected]>
Alex <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300002411610
>
> These retail at around £2 each......
£1.45 inc VAT!
LR's current list price for NRC2054's is £4.44 plus VAT each, so
they *could* be a deal. What's more worrying is that they are for
petrol engines only and that's not mentioned.
Richard
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Alex <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300002411610
>
> These retail at around £2 each......
£1.45 inc VAT!
LR's current list price for NRC2054's is £4.44 plus VAT each, so
they *could* be a deal. What's more worrying is that they are for
petrol engines only and that's not mentioned.
Richard
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William Tasso
Guest
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:52:47 +0100, beamendsltd
<[email protected]> wrote:
> In message <[email protected]>
> Alex <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300002411610
>>
>> These retail at around £2 each......
>
> £1.45 inc VAT!
>
> LR's current list price for NRC2054's is £4.44 plus VAT each, so
> they *could* be a deal. What's more worrying is that they are for
> petrol engines only and that's not mentioned.
It amazes me that folk are happy to pay for the listing but CBA to go the
extra mile and provide as much info as possible on the kit they're
selling. I was looking at UPS units last night - some don't even mention
the capacity. ok - if you're selling hens teeth then I expect the punters
will dig out the necessary data to check suitability for purpose, but when
there's 10s or 100s of competing items, the one with the info gets the
bids.
--
William Tasso
110 V8
<[email protected]> wrote:
> In message <[email protected]>
> Alex <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300002411610
>>
>> These retail at around £2 each......
>
> £1.45 inc VAT!
>
> LR's current list price for NRC2054's is £4.44 plus VAT each, so
> they *could* be a deal. What's more worrying is that they are for
> petrol engines only and that's not mentioned.
It amazes me that folk are happy to pay for the listing but CBA to go the
extra mile and provide as much info as possible on the kit they're
selling. I was looking at UPS units last night - some don't even mention
the capacity. ok - if you're selling hens teeth then I expect the punters
will dig out the necessary data to check suitability for purpose, but when
there's 10s or 100s of competing items, the one with the info gets the
bids.
--
William Tasso
110 V8
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Ian Rawlings
Guest
On 2006-06-29, William Tasso <[email protected]> wrote:
> I was looking at UPS units last night - some don't even mention
> the capacity.
Daft isn't it. The length of time it keeps your kit running for
depends on the Ah capacity of the batteries, but the selling point
appears to be the VA rating, which tells you how much power it can
supply, but not for how long!
Best bet is to go to MGE's website, IIRC they had a good UPS selector
which you can put in your required runtime at a given load. I don't
know if other companies have similar.
--
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> I was looking at UPS units last night - some don't even mention
> the capacity.
Daft isn't it. The length of time it keeps your kit running for
depends on the Ah capacity of the batteries, but the selling point
appears to be the VA rating, which tells you how much power it can
supply, but not for how long!
Best bet is to go to MGE's website, IIRC they had a good UPS selector
which you can put in your required runtime at a given load. I don't
know if other companies have similar.
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
D
Dave Liquorice
Guest
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:45:42 +0100, Ian Rawlings wrote:
> Daft isn't it. The length of time it keeps your kit running for
> depends on the Ah capacity of the batteries, but the selling point
> appears to be the VA rating, which tells you how much power it can
> supply, but not for how long!
I guess because most consumers buy a UPS to enable an immediate,
automatic, clean, shutdown rather than how long they can continue working
as normal. So provided the UPS can deliver enough power for a few minutes
the total available uptime isn't important.
--
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Dave. pam is missing e-mail
> Daft isn't it. The length of time it keeps your kit running for
> depends on the Ah capacity of the batteries, but the selling point
> appears to be the VA rating, which tells you how much power it can
> supply, but not for how long!
I guess because most consumers buy a UPS to enable an immediate,
automatic, clean, shutdown rather than how long they can continue working
as normal. So provided the UPS can deliver enough power for a few minutes
the total available uptime isn't important.
--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail
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William Tasso
Guest
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:45:42 +0100, Ian Rawlings <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On 2006-06-29, William Tasso <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I was looking at UPS units last night - some don't even mention
>> the capacity.
>
> Daft isn't it.
Bonkers - it's like they're ashamed to be selling the kit.
> The length of time it keeps your kit running for
> depends on the Ah capacity of the batteries, but the selling point
> appears to be the VA rating, which tells you how much power it can
> supply, but not for how long!
ok - so we've thread shifted. cool
Plese do give me warning if we're also going to morph this into another
group.
> Best bet is to go to MGE's website, IIRC they had a good UPS selector
> which you can put in your required runtime at a given load. I don't
> know if other companies have similar.
I did - their selector is similar (no surprise really) to APCs.
Ok - so I've made me choice - well narrowed it down. Now then
(paradoxically speaking) can you recommend a supplier that speaks plain
English and has a sensible attitude to pricing?
--
William Tasso
110 V8
wrote:
> On 2006-06-29, William Tasso <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I was looking at UPS units last night - some don't even mention
>> the capacity.
>
> Daft isn't it.
Bonkers - it's like they're ashamed to be selling the kit.
> The length of time it keeps your kit running for
> depends on the Ah capacity of the batteries, but the selling point
> appears to be the VA rating, which tells you how much power it can
> supply, but not for how long!
ok - so we've thread shifted. cool
Plese do give me warning if we're also going to morph this into another
group.
> Best bet is to go to MGE's website, IIRC they had a good UPS selector
> which you can put in your required runtime at a given load. I don't
> know if other companies have similar.
I did - their selector is similar (no surprise really) to APCs.
Ok - so I've made me choice - well narrowed it down. Now then
(paradoxically speaking) can you recommend a supplier that speaks plain
English and has a sensible attitude to pricing?
--
William Tasso
110 V8
I
Ian Rawlings
Guest
On 2006-06-29, Dave Liquorice <[email protected]> wrote:
> I guess because most consumers buy a UPS to enable an immediate,
> automatic, clean, shutdown rather than how long they can continue working
> as normal. So provided the UPS can deliver enough power for a few minutes
> the total available uptime isn't important.
That's plain, but you need to know how long the kit will keep running
for to allow a clean shutdown, so runtime information is still very
relevant. The accuracy of the UPSes "remaining runtime" counter is
also not good, so you need to allow at least 5 minutes on top of your
shutdown time to account for errors in that.
The above is for large rack UPSes BTW, not for home users, home use
UPSes are similar but different numbers.
Some sites do publish Ampere-hour ratings, others publish runtime at
half load and full load, others publish nothing whatsoever.
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
> I guess because most consumers buy a UPS to enable an immediate,
> automatic, clean, shutdown rather than how long they can continue working
> as normal. So provided the UPS can deliver enough power for a few minutes
> the total available uptime isn't important.
That's plain, but you need to know how long the kit will keep running
for to allow a clean shutdown, so runtime information is still very
relevant. The accuracy of the UPSes "remaining runtime" counter is
also not good, so you need to allow at least 5 minutes on top of your
shutdown time to account for errors in that.
The above is for large rack UPSes BTW, not for home users, home use
UPSes are similar but different numbers.
Some sites do publish Ampere-hour ratings, others publish runtime at
half load and full load, others publish nothing whatsoever.
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
I
Ian Rawlings
Guest
On 2006-06-29, William Tasso <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ok - so I've made me choice - well narrowed it down. Now then
> (paradoxically speaking) can you recommend a supplier that speaks plain
> English and has a sensible attitude to pricing?
I posted some links to hardware.com, misco and insight, they seem to
be the best priced, I'd always advise making the decision on what to
buy before even looking for the supplier, not usually much point
asking them what to buy, they'll recommend whichever line needs to be
cleared that month for targets to be reached.
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
> Ok - so I've made me choice - well narrowed it down. Now then
> (paradoxically speaking) can you recommend a supplier that speaks plain
> English and has a sensible attitude to pricing?
I posted some links to hardware.com, misco and insight, they seem to
be the best priced, I'd always advise making the decision on what to
buy before even looking for the supplier, not usually much point
asking them what to buy, they'll recommend whichever line needs to be
cleared that month for targets to be reached.
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
L
Lee_D
Guest
William Tasso <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
about:
> ok - so we've thread shifted. cool
>
> Plese do give me warning if we're also going to morph this into
> another group.
Oh well done, cunningly mentioning a resident Landrover by name to swing it
all the way back OT ;-) Morph would be touched that you chose him.... later
he'll be very touched if the prop I've just given a once over too doesn't
sort the Diff/Prop rumble question.
I would like a UPS if only to clean up my Gennys output but probably not
worth the bother given I can no doubt get a Honda when finances permit.
Lee D
about:
> ok - so we've thread shifted. cool
>
> Plese do give me warning if we're also going to morph this into
> another group.
Oh well done, cunningly mentioning a resident Landrover by name to swing it
all the way back OT ;-) Morph would be touched that you chose him.... later
he'll be very touched if the prop I've just given a once over too doesn't
sort the Diff/Prop rumble question.
I would like a UPS if only to clean up my Gennys output but probably not
worth the bother given I can no doubt get a Honda when finances permit.
Lee D
W
William Tasso
Guest
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:33:34 +0100, Ian Rawlings <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On 2006-06-29, William Tasso <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Ok - so I've made me choice - well narrowed it down. Now then
>> (paradoxically speaking) can you recommend a supplier that speaks plain
>> English and has a sensible attitude to pricing?
>
> I posted some links to hardware.com, misco and insight, they seem to
> be the best priced,
ahh - yes, thanks
> I'd always advise making the decision on what to
> buy before even looking for the supplier, not usually much point
> asking them what to buy, they'll recommend whichever line needs to be
> cleared that month for targets to be reached.
oh agreed - I was looking for more detailed product info.
My use of the slector came up with this:
http://www.mgeups.com/products/pdt230/smallups/extremec/index.htm
But, having never used their kit before I'm quite keen to get a handle on
what it's capable of wrt: network alerts, monitoring/reporting and auto
shutdown of multiple systems.
--
William Tasso
110 V8
wrote:
> On 2006-06-29, William Tasso <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Ok - so I've made me choice - well narrowed it down. Now then
>> (paradoxically speaking) can you recommend a supplier that speaks plain
>> English and has a sensible attitude to pricing?
>
> I posted some links to hardware.com, misco and insight, they seem to
> be the best priced,
ahh - yes, thanks
> I'd always advise making the decision on what to
> buy before even looking for the supplier, not usually much point
> asking them what to buy, they'll recommend whichever line needs to be
> cleared that month for targets to be reached.
oh agreed - I was looking for more detailed product info.
My use of the slector came up with this:
http://www.mgeups.com/products/pdt230/smallups/extremec/index.htm
But, having never used their kit before I'm quite keen to get a handle on
what it's capable of wrt: network alerts, monitoring/reporting and auto
shutdown of multiple systems.
--
William Tasso
110 V8
I
Ian Rawlings
Guest
On 2006-06-29, William Tasso <[email protected]> wrote:
> My use of the slector came up with this:
> http://www.mgeups.com/products/pdt230/smallups/extremec/index.htm
>
> But, having never used their kit before I'm quite keen to get a handle on
> what it's capable of wrt: network alerts, monitoring/reporting and auto
> shutdown of multiple systems.
All of that is down to the software that comes with it (although some
higher-end gear has additional relay-driving ports that can be used to
signal other machines in hardware), from what I've seen MGE stuff is
as intelligent as APC stuff, the required basics are uptime remaining
and tuneable low battery alert. The software monitors the UPS and
sends signals to other machines with a matching client package
installed to shut down.
I don't know what the windows software is capable of as I don't use
the stuff, see what their website says, a fair amount of documentation
on there.
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
> My use of the slector came up with this:
> http://www.mgeups.com/products/pdt230/smallups/extremec/index.htm
>
> But, having never used their kit before I'm quite keen to get a handle on
> what it's capable of wrt: network alerts, monitoring/reporting and auto
> shutdown of multiple systems.
All of that is down to the software that comes with it (although some
higher-end gear has additional relay-driving ports that can be used to
signal other machines in hardware), from what I've seen MGE stuff is
as intelligent as APC stuff, the required basics are uptime remaining
and tuneable low battery alert. The software monitors the UPS and
sends signals to other machines with a matching client package
installed to shut down.
I don't know what the windows software is capable of as I don't use
the stuff, see what their website says, a fair amount of documentation
on there.
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
A
Alex
Guest
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:52:47 +0100, beamendsltd
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In message <[email protected]>
> Alex <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300002411610
>>
>> These retail at around £2 each......
>
>£1.45 inc VAT!
>
>LR's current list price for NRC2054's is £4.44 plus VAT each, so
>they *could* be a deal. What's more worrying is that they are for
>petrol engines only and that's not mentioned.
>
I noticed that there is two parts listed, but as the mounting brackets
on the block & chassis are the same, I can't see why the rubbers
should be that different. The parts manual does show the diesel ones
as square, not round, presumably the diesel ones are tougher to cope
with the extra roughness of the engine.....
Alex
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In message <[email protected]>
> Alex <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300002411610
>>
>> These retail at around £2 each......
>
>£1.45 inc VAT!
>
>LR's current list price for NRC2054's is £4.44 plus VAT each, so
>they *could* be a deal. What's more worrying is that they are for
>petrol engines only and that's not mentioned.
>
I noticed that there is two parts listed, but as the mounting brackets
on the block & chassis are the same, I can't see why the rubbers
should be that different. The parts manual does show the diesel ones
as square, not round, presumably the diesel ones are tougher to cope
with the extra roughness of the engine.....
Alex
L
Lee_D
Guest
Alex <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
> I noticed that there is two parts listed, but as the mounting brackets
> on the block & chassis are the same, I can't see why the rubbers
> should be that different. The parts manual does show the diesel ones
> as square, not round, presumably the diesel ones are tougher to cope
> with the extra roughness of the engine.....
>
> Alex
The Diesel ones are built deaf. The Petrol ones go deaf with age.
;-)
Lee D
> I noticed that there is two parts listed, but as the mounting brackets
> on the block & chassis are the same, I can't see why the rubbers
> should be that different. The parts manual does show the diesel ones
> as square, not round, presumably the diesel ones are tougher to cope
> with the extra roughness of the engine.....
>
> Alex
The Diesel ones are built deaf. The Petrol ones go deaf with age.
;-)
Lee D
D
Dave Liquorice
Guest
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:30:00 +0100, Ian Rawlings wrote:
> That's plain, but you need to know how long the kit will keep running
> for to allow a clean shutdown, so runtime information is still very
> relevant.
All the "domestic" UPS's I've ever seen have run times of at least 5
mins. Ample for a doze box to shutdown.
> Some sites do publish Ampere-hour ratings, others publish runtime at
> half load and full load, others publish nothing whatsoever.
Aye, the run times are varying loads are the most useful figures. At low
loads the runtime that a linear extrapolation from max and battery
capacity might lead you to believe due to standing losses in the UPS.
--
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Dave. pam is missing e-mail
> That's plain, but you need to know how long the kit will keep running
> for to allow a clean shutdown, so runtime information is still very
> relevant.
All the "domestic" UPS's I've ever seen have run times of at least 5
mins. Ample for a doze box to shutdown.
> Some sites do publish Ampere-hour ratings, others publish runtime at
> half load and full load, others publish nothing whatsoever.
Aye, the run times are varying loads are the most useful figures. At low
loads the runtime that a linear extrapolation from max and battery
capacity might lead you to believe due to standing losses in the UPS.
--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail
B
beamendsltd
Guest
In message <[email protected]>
Alex <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:52:47 +0100, beamendsltd
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In message <[email protected]>
> > Alex <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300002411610
> >>
> >> These retail at around £2 each......
> >
> >£1.45 inc VAT!
> >
> >LR's current list price for NRC2054's is £4.44 plus VAT each, so
> >they *could* be a deal. What's more worrying is that they are for
> >petrol engines only and that's not mentioned.
> >
>
> I noticed that there is two parts listed, but as the mounting brackets
> on the block & chassis are the same, I can't see why the rubbers
> should be that different. The parts manual does show the diesel ones
> as square, not round, presumably the diesel ones are tougher to cope
> with the extra roughness of the engine.....
>
> Alex
>
Indeed - the diesel ones are much "stiffer".
Richard
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Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
Alex <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:52:47 +0100, beamendsltd
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In message <[email protected]>
> > Alex <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300002411610
> >>
> >> These retail at around £2 each......
> >
> >£1.45 inc VAT!
> >
> >LR's current list price for NRC2054's is £4.44 plus VAT each, so
> >they *could* be a deal. What's more worrying is that they are for
> >petrol engines only and that's not mentioned.
> >
>
> I noticed that there is two parts listed, but as the mounting brackets
> on the block & chassis are the same, I can't see why the rubbers
> should be that different. The parts manual does show the diesel ones
> as square, not round, presumably the diesel ones are tougher to cope
> with the extra roughness of the engine.....
>
> Alex
>
Indeed - the diesel ones are much "stiffer".
Richard
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Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
