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I'm considering the LR3, and I'm conserned about quality and value
retention. Any ideas?


--

-Jonathan

JUST UPDATED (6-21-04) with TWO new songs!
Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.



 
£ Î Z @ R Ð wrote:

> I'm considering the LR3, and I'm conserned about quality and value
> retention. Any ideas?
>
>

I think it depends for a start on what country you are in! Also, the LR3 is
a completely new design, so it is unclear to what extent previous models
can be used as a guide.
JD

 
In Australia, nowhere near as well as a Toyota Land Cruiser.

I was offered A$18,000 by an LR dealership for my P38A late last year as a
tradeon a Defender. $18K for a car that cost $116K in 1995!

Heck, In Britain the Freelander is the biggest selling 4WD. In Australia it's
the worst selling 4WD (ok, it may sell better than the Indian TATA). And LRs
in general have the worst sales figures of any of the brands. They don't even
figure in the published sales figures each month.

The motoring magazines are only too quick to point out the quality issues.
Australian motorists have long since given up expecting anything approaching a
quality product out of British car factories.

Ron


"£ Î Z @ R Ð" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm considering the LR3, and I'm conserned about quality and value
> retention. Any ideas?
>
>
> --
>
> -Jonathan
>
> JUST UPDATED (6-21-04) with TWO new songs!
> Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
> hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
> the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.
>
>
>


 
Quality is relative over time anyway and that is not why one buys a landie.

looking back at my series, considering mine was not a mothballed or lovingly
maintained example, what else is there from the same date that has led a
similar life from that era ?

It ain't the quality of the build I am buying into but the replacability of
anything that needs it well after other manufacturers have junked there back
catalogues.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"The Becketts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In Australia, nowhere near as well as a Toyota Land Cruiser.
>
> I was offered A$18,000 by an LR dealership for my P38A late last year as a
> tradeon a Defender. $18K for a car that cost $116K in 1995!
>
> Heck, In Britain the Freelander is the biggest selling 4WD. In Australia
it's
> the worst selling 4WD (ok, it may sell better than the Indian TATA). And
LRs
> in general have the worst sales figures of any of the brands. They don't
even
> figure in the published sales figures each month.
>
> The motoring magazines are only too quick to point out the quality issues.
> Australian motorists have long since given up expecting anything
approaching a
> quality product out of British car factories.
>
> Ron
>


 
£ Î Z @ R Ð vaguely muttered something like ...
> I'm considering the LR3, and I'm conserned about quality and value
> retention. Any ideas?

What's an LR3 ?

Personally, if you're more worried about residuals and values after you've
used something for a while, then don't get a Landrover .. On the other hand,
many Landrovers hold excellent values, and some even begin to appreciate ..
but not many .. ;)

--
Paul ...

(8(|) ... Homer Rocks

"A tosser is a tosser, no matter what mode of transport they're using."


 
> What's an LR3 ?

LR's replacement for the Discovery. It's debuting in October. I'm in the
States, so I'm not sure if it will go by a different name in other countries
(i believe LR [or more probably, Ford] wants to shed the bad reputation
Discoveries have regarding service, so they're giving it a new name)

--

- Jonathan

JUST UPDATED (6-21-04) with TWO new songs!
Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.


"Paul - xxx" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> £ Î Z @ R Ð vaguely muttered something like ...
> > I'm considering the LR3, and I'm conserned about quality and value
> > retention. Any ideas?
>
> What's an LR3 ?
>
> Personally, if you're more worried about residuals and values after you've
> used something for a while, then don't get a Landrover .. On the other
hand,
> many Landrovers hold excellent values, and some even begin to appreciate
...
> but not many .. ;)
>
> --
> Paul ...
>
> (8(|) ... Homer Rocks
>
> "A tosser is a tosser, no matter what mode of transport they're using."
>
>


 
£ Î Z @ R Ð vaguely muttered something like ...
>> What's an LR3 ?
>
> LR's replacement for the Discovery. It's debuting in October. I'm in the
> States, so I'm not sure if it will go by a different name in other
> countries (i believe LR [or more probably, Ford] wants to shed the bad
> reputation Discoveries have regarding service, so they're giving it a new
> name)

OK, cheers .. ;)

I run a '96 300 Tdi Discovery, so can't really comment on the newcomer,
other than to say who cares what it's 'value' is, just drive the thing and
enjoy it.

If you care about it's value, find someone local who loves Landrovers, and
get to know them .. very well ... beer helps .. ;)

--
Paul ...

(8(|) ... Homer Rocks

"A tosser is a tosser, no matter what mode of transport they're using."


 
£ Î Z @ R Ð wrote:
>> What's an LR3 ?
>
> LR's replacement for the Discovery. It's debuting in October. I'm
> in the States, so I'm not sure if it will go by a different name in
> other countries (i believe LR [or more probably, Ford] wants to shed
> the bad reputation Discoveries have regarding service, so they're
> giving it a new name)
>
>
> "Paul - xxx" <[email protected]> wrote i
>>
>> What's an LR3 ?
>>

Known in the UK as Discovery 3, or some such. Never heard it referred to
here as LR3, hence the confusion.

None of us would rate Land Rover's attitude to customer service here in the
UK as brilliant, but we've heard some horror stories from your side of the
water. I don't think it was that the Disco was bad, more that the
"ownership experience" was lousy because of the poor/non-existent customer
care in th US.

I've seen the first reports on the new Disco in this month's LRO, and I
think it looks terrible, but that's another story.
--

Rich

Series 2a
RR 4.6
V8 trialler
dog, wife, kids, whatever


 

>
> None of us would rate Land Rover's attitude to customer service here in
the
> UK as brilliant, but we've heard some horror stories from your side of the
> water. I don't think it was that the Disco was bad, more that the
> "ownership experience" was lousy because of the poor/non-existent customer
> care in th US.

Well, i'm an LR newbie, and this new Disco has me excited... but I heard
rumblings about how Ford wants to "address" service/maintenance problems in
the Land Rover division, which tell me they'll be meddling with a beautiful
unique machine and turning it into a Ford Explorer with a bump in the roof.
So basically i want to get into one before Ford screws things up...

hence my question regarding value -- The LR3 has a 40,000 mile / 4 year
warranty (of course, it'll probably only take me two years to blow through
40k miles!) ... If this thing starts falling apart at 50,000 miles, I don't
want to be screwed on the resale..

But maybe it will just be worth it :)

Thanks for all your help!



--

- Jonathan

JUST UPDATED (6-21-04) with TWO new songs!
Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.


"Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> £ Î Z @ R Ð wrote:
> >> What's an LR3 ?
> >
> > LR's replacement for the Discovery. It's debuting in October. I'm
> > in the States, so I'm not sure if it will go by a different name in
> > other countries (i believe LR [or more probably, Ford] wants to shed
> > the bad reputation Discoveries have regarding service, so they're
> > giving it a new name)
> >
> >
> > "Paul - xxx" <[email protected]> wrote i
> >>
> >> What's an LR3 ?
> >>
>
> Known in the UK as Discovery 3, or some such. Never heard it referred to
> here as LR3, hence the confusion.
>
> None of us would rate Land Rover's attitude to customer service here in
the
> UK as brilliant, but we've heard some horror stories from your side of the
> water. I don't think it was that the Disco was bad, more that the
> "ownership experience" was lousy because of the poor/non-existent customer
> care in th US.
>
> I've seen the first reports on the new Disco in this month's LRO, and I
> think it looks terrible, but that's another story.
> --
>
> Rich
>
> Series 2a
> RR 4.6
> V8 trialler
> dog, wife, kids, whatever
>
>


 
Ford one of the arch villains of the motor industry wants to turn Land
Rovers into fords wants to turn Aston Martins into fords and Jaguars into
fords.

Well last time Jaguar and Land Rover were together in a company it was
called British Leyland, .... oh dear ...... mine dates from that era :(


Ford reliability might be one thing, but how long to they keep spares in
there back catalogue, I started having problems with Mk II granada spares
back in the 90's, ford do not expect there vehicles to last and are seriosly
peeved if they do.

--
þT

L'autisme c'est moi

"Space folds, and folded space bends, and bent folded space contracts and
expands unevenly in every way unconcievable except to someone who does not
believe in the laws of mathematics"


"£ Î Z @ R Ð" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Well, i'm an LR newbie, and this new Disco has me excited... but I heard
> rumblings about how Ford wants to "address" service/maintenance problems
in
> the Land Rover division, which tell me they'll be meddling with a
beautiful
> unique machine and turning it into a Ford Explorer with a bump in the
roof.
> So basically i want to get into one before Ford screws things up...
>
> hence my question regarding value -- The LR3 has a 40,000 mile / 4 year
> warranty (of course, it'll probably only take me two years to blow through
> 40k miles!) ... If this thing starts falling apart at 50,000 miles, I
don't
> want to be screwed on the resale..
>
> But maybe it will just be worth it :)
>
> Thanks for all your help!
>
>
>
> --
>
> - Jonathan
>
> JUST UPDATED (6-21-04) with TWO new songs!
> Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
> hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
> the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.
>
>
> "Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > £ Î Z @ R Ð wrote:
> > >> What's an LR3 ?
> > >
> > > LR's replacement for the Discovery. It's debuting in October. I'm
> > > in the States, so I'm not sure if it will go by a different name in
> > > other countries (i believe LR [or more probably, Ford] wants to shed
> > > the bad reputation Discoveries have regarding service, so they're
> > > giving it a new name)
> > >
> > >
> > > "Paul - xxx" <[email protected]> wrote i
> > >>
> > >> What's an LR3 ?
> > >>
> >
> > Known in the UK as Discovery 3, or some such. Never heard it referred
to
> > here as LR3, hence the confusion.
> >
> > None of us would rate Land Rover's attitude to customer service here in
> the
> > UK as brilliant, but we've heard some horror stories from your side of
the
> > water. I don't think it was that the Disco was bad, more that the
> > "ownership experience" was lousy because of the poor/non-existent
customer
> > care in th US.
> >
> > I've seen the first reports on the new Disco in this month's LRO, and I
> > think it looks terrible, but that's another story.
> > --
> >
> > Rich
> >
> > Series 2a
> > RR 4.6
> > V8 trialler
> > dog, wife, kids, whatever
> >
> >
>
>


 
Well the value of mine is that I can always find it in a car park.

--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes

"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Most Land Rovers will leave their value on your drive...
>


 
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:32:06 +0100, "Larry" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Well the value of mine is that I can always find it in a car park.

I can usually find bits of mine over _the_ car park...

 
>Well, i'm an LR newbie, and this new Disco has me excited... but I heard
>rumblings about how Ford wants to "address" service/maintenance problems in
>the Land Rover division, which tell me they'll be meddling with a beautiful
>unique machine and turning it into a Ford Explorer with a bump in the roof.
>So basically i want to get into one before Ford screws things up...

Not so at all. The new Discovery is an awesome machine and not built
anywhere near a Ford Explorer.

I'd judge likely reliability against the reputation of the current
Range Rover, and expect it to be better. That said, I'd wait for the
second model year from any manufacturer to be sure of getting the
initial niggles out of the way.



--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'95 Discovery V8i aka "The Disco" (FOR SALE)
'03 Volvo V70

My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com
 
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:29:55 +0100, "Larry" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Ford one of the arch villains of the motor industry wants to turn Land
>Rovers into fords wants to turn Aston Martins into fords and Jaguars into
>fords.

Arch villain? I think Ford's treatment of Jaguar, Volvo, AML and Land
Rover is rather good. Lots of investment and an absolute revolution
in the quality of product leaving the first three companies. I have a
Ford V70 (sorry, Volvo) which is built on their P2 platform - so good
that Ford are going to use it themselves. Apart from a nagging doubt
about the transmission and a sticky cupholder it is absolutlely
faultless.

The current Jaguars are a world ahead of the BL crap that they used to
churn out. And Ford are the first owners to make a profit at Aston
Martin in the companies entire history and producing one of the most
pant-wetting cars in recent years.

Compared with GM (aren't they about to force Saab to sell a rebadged
Subaru?) I think Ford are doing rather well with the PAG. Outside fo
PAG, Mazda are turning out a class-leading car under their ownership.

>
>Well last time Jaguar and Land Rover were together in a company it was
>called British Leyland, .... oh dear ...... mine dates from that era :(
>
>
>Ford reliability might be one thing, but how long to they keep spares in
>there back catalogue, I started having problems with Mk II granada spares
>back in the 90's, ford do not expect there vehicles to last and are seriosly
>peeved if they do.

You have to look at the design requirement of that car. It was
marketing as a company exec, so expected to be run for 3 years then
punted to an auction and be beyond keeping at about 6 years old.
Companies keep spares based on market forces - how many old Ford
trucks are still running in the States? I bet you can get spares for
them very easily - just because their is a market for them. The same
argument applies to bits for a 1990 Land Rover against a 1990 Shogun.
There are so many of the former in UK that it is commercially viable
to run a spares operation.
--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'95 Discovery V8i aka "The Disco" (FOR SALE)
'03 Volvo V70

My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com
 
I guess I am just an atavist from Coventry who remembers when we built cars
here. The largest volume producer in British ownership is now London Taxi's
International notwithstanding the Nissan Engines.

It's difficult to say what I would do if you were to offer me the choice of
a new Jag, and BL era one, neither is/was really built to last.

Wouldn't mind an old "auntie" Rover though,

--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"Tim Hobbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:29:55 +0100, "Larry" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
> Arch villain? I think Ford's treatment of Jaguar, Volvo, AML and Land
> Rover is rather good. Lots of investment and an absolute revolution
> in the quality of product leaving the first three companies. I have a
> Ford V70 (sorry, Volvo) which is built on their P2 platform - so good
> that Ford are going to use it themselves. Apart from a nagging doubt
> about the transmission and a sticky cupholder it is absolutlely
> faultless.
>
> The current Jaguars are a world ahead of the BL crap that they used to
> churn out. And Ford are the first owners to make a profit at Aston
> Martin in the companies entire history and producing one of the most
> pant-wetting cars in recent years.
>
> Compared with GM (aren't they about to force Saab to sell a rebadged
> Subaru?) I think Ford are doing rather well with the PAG. Outside fo
> PAG, Mazda are turning out a class-leading car under their ownership.
>


 
> Arch villain? I think Ford's treatment of Jaguar, Volvo, AML and Land
> Rover is rather good. Lots of investment and an absolute revolution
> in the quality of product leaving the first three companies.

I agree, Ford has done well on improving certain issues on the A-M, L-R, and
Jaguar brands, I just lament the Fordization of these historic unique
monikers.... It's a trade-off -- I don't like seeing Ford Explorer door
handles on a Discovery, or Lincoln climate control knobs in a Jaguar (both
made-up examples..)

But I imagine the sum effect on those three brands has been positive...

--

- Jonathan

JUST UPDATED (6-21-04) with TWO new songs!
Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.


"Tim Hobbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:29:55 +0100, "Larry" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Ford one of the arch villains of the motor industry wants to turn Land
> >Rovers into fords wants to turn Aston Martins into fords and Jaguars into
> >fords.
>
> Arch villain? I think Ford's treatment of Jaguar, Volvo, AML and Land
> Rover is rather good. Lots of investment and an absolute revolution
> in the quality of product leaving the first three companies. I have a
> Ford V70 (sorry, Volvo) which is built on their P2 platform - so good
> that Ford are going to use it themselves. Apart from a nagging doubt
> about the transmission and a sticky cupholder it is absolutlely
> faultless.
>
> The current Jaguars are a world ahead of the BL crap that they used to
> churn out. And Ford are the first owners to make a profit at Aston
> Martin in the companies entire history and producing one of the most
> pant-wetting cars in recent years.
>
> Compared with GM (aren't they about to force Saab to sell a rebadged
> Subaru?) I think Ford are doing rather well with the PAG. Outside fo
> PAG, Mazda are turning out a class-leading car under their ownership.
>
> >
> >Well last time Jaguar and Land Rover were together in a company it was
> >called British Leyland, .... oh dear ...... mine dates from that era :(
> >
> >
> >Ford reliability might be one thing, but how long to they keep spares in
> >there back catalogue, I started having problems with Mk II granada spares
> >back in the 90's, ford do not expect there vehicles to last and are
seriosly
> >peeved if they do.
>
> You have to look at the design requirement of that car. It was
> marketing as a company exec, so expected to be run for 3 years then
> punted to an auction and be beyond keeping at about 6 years old.
> Companies keep spares based on market forces - how many old Ford
> trucks are still running in the States? I bet you can get spares for
> them very easily - just because their is a market for them. The same
> argument applies to bits for a 1990 Land Rover against a 1990 Shogun.
> There are so many of the former in UK that it is commercially viable
> to run a spares operation.
> --
>
> Tim Hobbs
>
> '58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
> '77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
> '95 Discovery V8i aka "The Disco" (FOR SALE)
> '03 Volvo V70
>
> My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
> Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
> Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com


 
Well the value of mine is that I can always find it in a car park.

--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes

"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Most Land Rovers will leave their value on your drive...
>


 

>
> None of us would rate Land Rover's attitude to customer service here in
the
> UK as brilliant, but we've heard some horror stories from your side of the
> water. I don't think it was that the Disco was bad, more that the
> "ownership experience" was lousy because of the poor/non-existent customer
> care in th US.

Well, i'm an LR newbie, and this new Disco has me excited... but I heard
rumblings about how Ford wants to "address" service/maintenance problems in
the Land Rover division, which tell me they'll be meddling with a beautiful
unique machine and turning it into a Ford Explorer with a bump in the roof.
So basically i want to get into one before Ford screws things up...

hence my question regarding value -- The LR3 has a 40,000 mile / 4 year
warranty (of course, it'll probably only take me two years to blow through
40k miles!) ... If this thing starts falling apart at 50,000 miles, I don't
want to be screwed on the resale..

But maybe it will just be worth it :)

Thanks for all your help!



--

- Jonathan

JUST UPDATED (6-21-04) with TWO new songs!
Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.


"Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> £ Î Z @ R Ð wrote:
> >> What's an LR3 ?
> >
> > LR's replacement for the Discovery. It's debuting in October. I'm
> > in the States, so I'm not sure if it will go by a different name in
> > other countries (i believe LR [or more probably, Ford] wants to shed
> > the bad reputation Discoveries have regarding service, so they're
> > giving it a new name)
> >
> >
> > "Paul - xxx" <[email protected]> wrote i
> >>
> >> What's an LR3 ?
> >>
>
> Known in the UK as Discovery 3, or some such. Never heard it referred to
> here as LR3, hence the confusion.
>
> None of us would rate Land Rover's attitude to customer service here in
the
> UK as brilliant, but we've heard some horror stories from your side of the
> water. I don't think it was that the Disco was bad, more that the
> "ownership experience" was lousy because of the poor/non-existent customer
> care in th US.
>
> I've seen the first reports on the new Disco in this month's LRO, and I
> think it looks terrible, but that's another story.
> --
>
> Rich
>
> Series 2a
> RR 4.6
> V8 trialler
> dog, wife, kids, whatever
>
>


 
£ Î Z @ R Ð vaguely muttered something like ...
> I'm considering the LR3, and I'm conserned about quality and value
> retention. Any ideas?

What's an LR3 ?

Personally, if you're more worried about residuals and values after you've
used something for a while, then don't get a Landrover .. On the other hand,
many Landrovers hold excellent values, and some even begin to appreciate ..
but not many .. ;)

--
Paul ...

(8(|) ... Homer Rocks

"A tosser is a tosser, no matter what mode of transport they're using."


 
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