Re: 6.2 V8 diesel

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Badger

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"Mr.Nice." <markvarleyphoto@*nospam*softhome.net> wrote in message
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>I have recently been mulling over the idea of replacing the engine in
> my 1984 110.
>
> Does anyone have any experience of one of these 6.2 litre V8 diesels
> in a Land Rover?
>
> I was thinking it would be best attached to an automatic gearbox.
>
> Any thoughts boys and girls?
>


Bit of a major task to do properly, new rad, exhaust, vented front discs at
the very least, uprated springs and front shocks to cope with the
considerable extra weight.
Needs to have an autobox capable of handling the torque, not the ZF4 which
has a max limit of 300ftlb.
You'll need to consider the next weak link in the transmission, and once
you've fitted a GM auto, Jeep Quadra-Trac transfer box (one of my favourites
for all-out strength), Ashcroft half-shafts, 4-pin front diff etc etc etc;
it'll then rip the front spring mounts away from the chassis.
As for my personal thoughts, my preferred option (if money was no object)
would be to fit a BMW 3.0 straight 6 turbodiesel A.K.A. TD6, preferably with
the bmw (GM5L40E) adaptive 5 speed autobox that was mated to it originally,
with an adaptor to the LT230. Would be interesting to make it all work, a
bit of lateral thought would probably be required to sort out the necessary
engine and gearbox ECU's but it'd surely be worth it??
With a basic chip this engine will give 220+bhp and 330+ftlb, an interesting
110 perhaps???
Badger.


 

"Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Mr.Nice." <markvarleyphoto@*nospam*softhome.net> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>I have recently been mulling over the idea of replacing the engine in
>> my 1984 110.
>>
>> Does anyone have any experience of one of these 6.2 litre V8 diesels
>> in a Land Rover?
>>
>> I was thinking it would be best attached to an automatic gearbox.
>>
>> Any thoughts boys and girls?
>>

>
> Bit of a major task to do properly, new rad, exhaust, vented front discs
> at the very least, uprated springs and front shocks to cope with the
> considerable extra weight.
> Needs to have an autobox capable of handling the torque, not the ZF4 which
> has a max limit of 300ftlb.
> You'll need to consider the next weak link in the transmission, and once
> you've fitted a GM auto, Jeep Quadra-Trac transfer box (one of my
> favourites for all-out strength), Ashcroft half-shafts, 4-pin front diff
> etc etc etc; it'll then rip the front spring mounts away from the chassis.
> As for my personal thoughts, my preferred option (if money was no object)
> would be to fit a BMW 3.0 straight 6 turbodiesel A.K.A. TD6, preferably
> with the bmw (GM5L40E) adaptive 5 speed autobox that was mated to it
> originally, with an adaptor to the LT230. Would be interesting to make it
> all work, a bit of lateral thought would probably be required to sort out
> the necessary engine and gearbox ECU's but it'd surely be worth it??
> With a basic chip this engine will give 220+bhp and 330+ftlb, an
> interesting 110 perhaps???
> Badger.


The most sensible alternative so far. In fact there's no need to *uck about
converting, just get a new or up to two year old Range Rover and you've got
the lot and more. If you don't want the lot more then you could always strip
it out.
FWIW mine is chipped but only to an estimated 200hp or so. At this power I
find that the engine quickly rises to the governor but acceleration is not
lightening fast. I had the X5 set one power position higher and it flew but
with noticeable smoke at low revs. The RR is a bit heavier, but not much.
Like me, all you need is a silver tongue and very understanding bank manager
..

Huw


 
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"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Mr.Nice." <markvarleyphoto@*nospam*softhome.net> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >>I have recently been mulling over the idea of replacing the engine in
> >> my 1984 110.
> >>
> >> Does anyone have any experience of one of these 6.2 litre V8 diesels
> >> in a Land Rover?
> >>
> >> I was thinking it would be best attached to an automatic gearbox.
> >>
> >> Any thoughts boys and girls?
> >>

> >
> > Bit of a major task to do properly, new rad, exhaust, vented front discs
> > at the very least, uprated springs and front shocks to cope with the
> > considerable extra weight.
> > Needs to have an autobox capable of handling the torque, not the ZF4

which
> > has a max limit of 300ftlb.
> > You'll need to consider the next weak link in the transmission, and once
> > you've fitted a GM auto, Jeep Quadra-Trac transfer box (one of my
> > favourites for all-out strength), Ashcroft half-shafts, 4-pin front diff
> > etc etc etc; it'll then rip the front spring mounts away from the

chassis.
> > As for my personal thoughts, my preferred option (if money was no

object)
> > would be to fit a BMW 3.0 straight 6 turbodiesel A.K.A. TD6, preferably
> > with the bmw (GM5L40E) adaptive 5 speed autobox that was mated to it
> > originally, with an adaptor to the LT230. Would be interesting to make

it
> > all work, a bit of lateral thought would probably be required to sort

out
> > the necessary engine and gearbox ECU's but it'd surely be worth it??
> > With a basic chip this engine will give 220+bhp and 330+ftlb, an
> > interesting 110 perhaps???
> > Badger.





Is it not the point of having an old land rover with a very silly engine in
it, and the doing of the conversion, which every one likes about the landy,
the fact of continual tinkerability with one of very few vehicles which you
can still do this with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rich




> The most sensible alternative so far. In fact there's no need to *uck

about
> converting, just get a new or up to two year old Range Rover and you've

got
> the lot and more. If you don't want the lot more then you could always

strip
> it out.
> FWIW mine is chipped but only to an estimated 200hp or so. At this power I
> find that the engine quickly rises to the governor but acceleration is not
> lightening fast. I had the X5 set one power position higher and it flew

but
> with noticeable smoke at low revs. The RR is a bit heavier, but not much.
> Like me, all you need is a silver tongue and very understanding bank

manager
> .
>
> Huw
>
>



 

"Rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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<snip>
>
>
> Is it not the point of having an old land rover with a very silly engine
> in
> it, and the doing of the conversion, which every one likes about the
> landy,
> the fact of continual tinkerability with one of very few vehicles which
> you
> can still do this with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Rich
>

Ok, pass me the gas-axe, plasma torch, angle grinder, measuring tape, mig
welder and Rolls-Royce 33ltr twin-supercharged Griffon V12. It WILL fit, I
tell you, it Will it WILL!! (Might need a halfshaft upgrade, though!) ;-))

Badger.
Still under the affluence of incohol. Hic!


 

"Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> <snip>
>>
>>
>> Is it not the point of having an old land rover with a very silly engine
>> in
>> it, and the doing of the conversion, which every one likes about the
>> landy,
>> the fact of continual tinkerability with one of very few vehicles which
>> you
>> can still do this with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Rich
>>

> Ok, pass me the gas-axe, plasma torch, angle grinder, measuring tape, mig
> welder and Rolls-Royce 33ltr twin-supercharged Griffon V12. It WILL fit, I
> tell you, it Will it WILL!! (Might need a halfshaft upgrade, though!)
> ;-))
>


One of the few engine sounds that does beat a V8....

--
Simon Isaacs

Peterborough 4x4 Club Vice Chairman, Newsletter Editor and Webmaster (how
much more....)
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Commercial Officer
3.5V8 100" Hybrid, now LPG converted
Part owner of 1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an
offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Fiancée's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and
mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery (the Pug 106 is dead, long live the Pug)

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> > > > ............ Rolls-Royce 33ltr twin-supercharged Griffon
V12............
> >

>
> One of the few engine sounds that does beat a V8....
>
>

Ever heard a 14litre Cummins at full power? Gorgeous!


 
Simon Isaacs wrote:

>
> One of the few engine sounds that does beat a V8....


Indeed. Did you recieve my email the other day? I did the four X four
thing. Should be from Simes at wafer period org dot You Kay!
 

"SimonJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> > > > ............ Rolls-Royce 33ltr twin-supercharged Griffon

> V12............
>> >

>>
>> One of the few engine sounds that does beat a V8....
>>
>>

> Ever heard a 14litre Cummins at full power? Gorgeous!
>

Right, that's it.
The restraint gloves and sensibility shackles are off.
As much as I absolutely LOVE the noise a V8 makes, and also a decent V12,
You CANNOT beat a Napier Deltic 18-25 engine at full song. Delta formation,
triple crank opposed 18 cylinder supercharged 2 stroke diesel. 1650bhp at
1500rpm. Pass me the super-duper extra-high ratio transfer gears...... hubba
hubba.
Might need RSJ for chassis rails though.
Badger.


 
LOL Ha Ha :)

Don't know about 33 Ltr Griffon but I do have a Rover Meteor V12 and 27
Ltr's probably sounds the same He He. cant get it in my 88" though ;-(
Engine is 7 foot long where would I sit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rich

> > Ok, pass me the gas-axe, plasma torch, angle grinder, measuring tape,

mig
> > welder and Rolls-Royce 33ltr twin-supercharged Griffon V12. It WILL fit,

I
> > tell you, it Will it WILL!! (Might need a halfshaft upgrade, though!)
> > ;-))
> >

>
> One of the few engine sounds that does beat a V8....
>
> --
> Simon Isaacs



 

"Rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> To reply remove " spam "
>
>
>
> Is it not the point of having an old land rover with a very silly engine
> in
> it, and the doing of the conversion, which every one likes about the
> landy,
> the fact of continual tinkerability with one of very few vehicles which
> you
> can still do this with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Rich
>
>


But you can do, or attempt to do this with any vehicle. Frankly attempting
to install a 6.2 diesel in a Land Rover is just plain childish. Just not
sensible. But then, it seems this a fantasists topic and I am just a boring
down-to-earth kind of guy who prefers the 'doable' to the sublime.

Huw



 
SimonJ wrote:

> Ever heard a 14litre Cummins at full power? Gorgeous!


There's an N14 rated at 625hp idling outside the door as I type this -
next up for me is to take it for a wash - 8:30am on a public holiday so
I should wake up the neighbours.


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EMB
 

"EMB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> SimonJ wrote:
>
>> Ever heard a 14litre Cummins at full power? Gorgeous!

>
> There's an N14 rated at 625hp idling outside the door as I type this -
> next up for me is to take it for a wash - 8:30am on a public holiday so I
> should wake up the neighbours.
>


Loading shovel, dump truck or forage harvester?

Huw


 
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:11:29 +0000 (UTC), Badger wrote:

>>> Rolls-Royce 33ltr twin-supercharged Griffon V12............
>>> One of the few engine sounds that does beat a V8....

>>
>> Ever heard a 14litre Cummins at full power? Gorgeous!

>
> Right, that's it.
> The restraint gloves and sensibility shackles are off.
> As much as I absolutely LOVE the noise a V8 makes, and also a decent
> V12, You CANNOT beat a Napier Deltic 18-25 engine at full song.


Naw you want a *REAL* engine. 7,780hp per cylinder, 14 cylinder
straight has a capcity of 25,480l and produces 108,920hp and 5,608,312
lb/ft at 102rpm only uses 1,660 gallons per hour.

http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ccsshb/12cyl/

Bit big for yer average landie though. B-)

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Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
Huw wrote:

> Loading shovel, dump truck or forage harvester?


Freightliner Argosy truck - we've got a few more hills than you have so
there are quite a few high-horsepower tractor units here.


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EMB
 
"Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "SimonJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >> > > > ............ Rolls-Royce 33ltr twin-supercharged Griffon

> > V12............
> >> >
> >>
> >> One of the few engine sounds that does beat a V8....
> >>
> >>

> > Ever heard a 14litre Cummins at full power? Gorgeous!
> >

> Right, that's it.
> The restraint gloves and sensibility shackles are off.
> As much as I absolutely LOVE the noise a V8 makes, and also a decent V12,
> You CANNOT beat a Napier Deltic 18-25 engine at full song. Delta

formation,
> triple crank opposed 18 cylinder supercharged 2 stroke diesel. 1650bhp at
> 1500rpm. Pass me the super-duper extra-high ratio transfer gears......

hubba
> hubba.
> Might need RSJ for chassis rails though.


And some ex-NASA ceramic tiles for the front, a G-suit, one pair of dice
(furry, on strings), a couple of blue LED's for your windscreen washer jets
and some of those things that keep your wiper blades in contact with the
windscreen. On second thoughts, forget the LED's - I was being silly. ;)

Steve


 
On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 19:47:37 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> made me spill my Chateau de Chassis-Lay when he
wrote:

>>>> Rolls-Royce 33ltr twin-supercharged Griffon V12............
>>>> One of the few engine sounds that does beat a V8....
>>>
>>> Ever heard a 14litre Cummins at full power? Gorgeous!

>>
>> Right, that's it.
>> The restraint gloves and sensibility shackles are off.
>> As much as I absolutely LOVE the noise a V8 makes, and also a decent
>> V12, You CANNOT beat a Napier Deltic 18-25 engine at full song.

>
>Naw you want a *REAL* engine. 7,780hp per cylinder, 14 cylinder
>straight has a capcity of 25,480l and produces 108,920hp and 5,608,312
>lb/ft at 102rpm only uses 1,660 gallons per hour.
>
>http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ccsshb/12cyl/
>
>Bit big for yer average landie though. B-)


And you tell that to kids these days....
--


Just another point of view...
www.4x4prejudice.org
 
>
> Freightliner Argosy truck - we've got a few more hills than you have so
> there are quite a few high-horsepower tractor units here.
>

Unfortunately Cummins don't market the ISX in the UK at all, the biggest we
get here is the ISM!


 
And in this country a garage helps a lot unless you are use to getting wet
and cold most of the time :)

Rich


> >> Is it not the point of having an old land rover with a very silly

engine
> >> in
> >> it, and the doing of the conversion, which every one likes about the
> >> landy,
> >> the fact of continual tinkerability with one of very few vehicles which
> >> you
> >> can still do this with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >>
> >> Rich
> >>
> >>

> >
> >But you can do, or attempt to do this with any vehicle. Frankly

attempting
> >to install a 6.2 diesel in a Land Rover is just plain childish. Just not
> >sensible. But then, it seems this a fantasists topic and I am just a

boring
> >down-to-earth kind of guy who prefers the 'doable' to the sublime.
> >
> >Huw

>
> the only difference between the xublime and the doable is cash and
> determination in varying quantities.
>
> Regards.
> Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
> --
> _________________________________________
> www.markvarleyphoto.co.uk
> 1984 110 CSW 2.5(na)D
> (3,000 rivets flying in close formation)
> _________________________________________



 

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 19:47:37 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
> <[email protected]> made me spill my Chateau de Chassis-Lay when he
> wrote:
>
>>>>> Rolls-Royce 33ltr twin-supercharged Griffon V12............
>>>>> One of the few engine sounds that does beat a V8....
>>>>
>>>> Ever heard a 14litre Cummins at full power? Gorgeous!
>>>
>>> Right, that's it.
>>> The restraint gloves and sensibility shackles are off.
>>> As much as I absolutely LOVE the noise a V8 makes, and also a decent
>>> V12, You CANNOT beat a Napier Deltic 18-25 engine at full song.

>>
>>Naw you want a *REAL* engine. 7,780hp per cylinder, 14 cylinder
>>straight has a capcity of 25,480l and produces 108,920hp and 5,608,312
>>lb/ft at 102rpm only uses 1,660 gallons per hour.
>>
>>http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ccsshb/12cyl/
>>
>>Bit big for yer average landie though. B-)

>
> And you tell that to kids these days....
> --

Yeah, but with an engine weighing 2,300tons (Jeeeeees, that's heavier than a
4203/4236!!!!) you'd need to fit airbags within the springs to cope with the
extra sprung weight, surely? <Grin>
Badger.


 
> Ok, pass me the gas-axe, plasma torch, angle grinder, measuring tape, mig
> welder and Rolls-Royce 33ltr twin-supercharged Griffon V12. It WILL fit, I
> tell you, it Will it WILL!! (Might need a halfshaft upgrade, though!)
> ;-))
>
> Badger.


Someone here claims to have put one in a mini

http://de.geocities.com/smecking/tractors/Vampire.htm


 
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