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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:48:40 +0000 (UTC), Richard Brookman wrote:

> I live in a similar rural situation - nearest house =BD mile, cops
> about 5 miles - but how long would it take them to turn out?.

2 1/2 miles for us. They turn out pretty quick, provided they haven't
been dragged off to deal with something else. I take it you know the
local coppers, they don't bite and if they know you to be a decent
sort human nature will tend to mean they respond that little bit
better. This is assuming that your immediate area has a dedicated
Police team not just a pool of officers that cover the entire
division.

> I am thinking of asking Santa for a baseball bat, however.

Or a 6 D cell maglight. 1 1/2" dia 19" long and heavy, you need to
carry a torch at night don't you? Hold it at the lens end with the
back end resting on your shoulder, after you've blinded the scroat a
quick flip of the wrist brings the back end up and over...

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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:26:59 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:48:40 +0000 (UTC), Richard Brookman wrote:
>
>> I live in a similar rural situation - nearest house ½ mile, cops
>> about 5 miles - but how long would it take them to turn out?.
>
>2 1/2 miles for us. They turn out pretty quick, provided they haven't
>been dragged off to deal with something else. I take it you know the
>local coppers, they don't bite and if they know you to be a decent
>sort human nature will tend to mean they respond that little bit
>better. This is assuming that your immediate area has a dedicated
>Police team not just a pool of officers that cover the entire
>division.
>
>> I am thinking of asking Santa for a baseball bat, however.
>
>Or a 6 D cell maglight. 1 1/2" dia 19" long and heavy, you need to
>carry a torch at night don't you? Hold it at the lens end with the
>back end resting on your shoulder, after you've blinded the scroat a
>quick flip of the wrist brings the back end up and over...

I have one of those. They are quite capable of cracking someone's
skull if wielded correctly. Unfortunaly mine has no batteries in it at
the moment, which makes it useless.

Also by the door is a broken pickaxe handle, one I snapped off at the
head end many years ago

Alex
 
In news:[email protected],
Dave Liquorice <[email protected]> blithered:
> On 10 Nov 2004 08:15:55 -0800, Richard Brookman wrote:
>
>> No-one's mentioned the pre-aimed, pre-loaded shotgun yet. It
>> circumvents the need for a text/phone/audio alert altogether. And a
>> police investigation, if you're as remote as you say and you hide
>> the body well.
>
> Some one will find it or notice someone is missing. However you can
> get (or make) holders for (blank if you must) cartridges with a spring
> driven firing pin released by a trip wire. The unexpected flash/bang
> would be a brown trouser job I would have thought...
>
> Technology to alert you that something/one is present is one thing but
> how about making access difficult in the first place? Can you plant a
> nice thorny hedge alongside the existing fence, attach coiled razor or
> barbed wire to to the top?
>
> You say you have fencers, wire one to the container? or to something
> you have to get past/climb through/over to get to the container. Might
> be worth taking advice on what warning notices would be a good idea to
> have about. Otherwise some scroat will try and sue you for damages...

For scroat read survivor?

--
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maybe skydiving's not for you!


 
"Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:48:40 +0000 (UTC), Richard Brookman wrote:
>
> > I live in a similar rural situation - nearest house mile, cops
> > about 5 miles - but how long would it take them to turn out?.
>
> 2 1/2 miles for us. They turn out pretty quick, provided they haven't
> been dragged off to deal with something else. I take it you know the
> local coppers, they don't bite and if they know you to be a decent
> sort human nature will tend to mean they respond that little bit
> better. This is assuming that your immediate area has a dedicated
> Police team not just a pool of officers that cover the entire
> division.

Last time I saw a policeman here was a couple of years ago, when they
wanted to check my security for shotgun cert renewal - a lovely
retired guy of about 70. Last serving officer was <thinks> - no idea
- at least 10 years ago. We are in a low crime area, so I can
understand why the place isn't flooded with rozzers, but if anything
happened we really would be on our own. Funnily enough, my Council
Tax doesn't reflect this.
>
> > I am thinking of asking Santa for a baseball bat, however.
>
> Or a 6 D cell maglight. 1 1/2" dia 19" long and heavy, you need to
> carry a torch at night don't you? Hold it at the lens end with the
> back end resting on your shoulder, after you've blinded the scroat a
> quick flip of the wrist brings the back end up and over...

Excellent idea - I shall get one this weekend. (The mini-maglite I
keep by the bed in case of nocturnal wanderings hardly seems
adequate.) If you want to share any more cool moves with the group,
please feel free.

Rich
 
Alex wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:26:59 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
>>
>>Or a 6 D cell maglight. 1 1/2" dia 19" long and heavy, you need to
>>carry a torch at night don't you? Hold it at the lens end with the
>>back end resting on your shoulder, after you've blinded the scroat a
>>quick flip of the wrist brings the back end up and over...
>
> I have one of those. They are quite capable of cracking someone's
> skull if wielded correctly. Unfortunaly mine has no batteries in it at
> the moment, which makes it useless.

I have a 4D Maglite, does the job. I also have a tactical belt - I've
done some security work, y'see - kitted out with more torches,
Leatherman, cuffs, expandable baton....

Oh, and a golf club.

 
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:39:41 -0000, GbH wrote:

>> You say you have fencers, wire one to the container? or to
>> something you have to get past/climb through/over to get to the
>> container. Might be worth taking advice on what warning notices
>> would be a good idea to have about. Otherwise some scroat will try
>> and sue you for damages...
>
> For scroat read survivor?

Fencers hurt but are not likely to kill a healthy human. I don't
consider someone fitted with a pace maker to be healthy (in this
context). B-)

Not sure of the pulse rate for a normal fencer, 5 to 10s? This might
be to slow to deter a determined human, 1 to 2s might be better.

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Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
Hello, Si!
You wrote on Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:23:08 -0000:

SK> Some complete sh*t broke into our stable yard last night - they cut the
SK> metal around the padlocks on the 30foot container we use as a storage
SK> shed.

We are in a similar position, house is a fair way from stables and
the light fingered brigade have visited us in the past.
I have now put contact switches on all door and linked them to a radio
transmitter.
The reciever is kept indoors and even has provision for an autodialler
should you be out.

Made by a company called RSS - check 'em out here
http://www.radiosecurity.co.uk/index.html

Had a bit of fun last winter when the alarm triggered and we quickly when
"rabbitting" with a couple of 12 bores.
The scrotes pulse rate must have hit 200!


With best regards, Not so Clever Trevor.


 
On 12 Nov 2004 05:48:18 -0800, Richard Brookman wrote:

> Last serving officer was <thinks> - no idea - at least 10 years ago.

Ours drive past several times a day either on visits or patrolling.

> We are in a low crime area,

So are we, odd break in and criminal damage, mainly down in the town.
However we are remote, 20+ miles from anything bigger than a village,
so they have to provide the services locally or response times are
measured in hours rather than the minutes. We now have 24hr police
cover a few years back we didn't. The scroats (nearly always out of
area) knew that and would wait until they saw the copper go of duty
before starting their work.

There is also a pretty strong community and active Farmwatch(*)
scheme, so strangers or unknown vehicles in "odd" places tend to get
reported.

> ... but if anything happened we really would be on our own. Funnily
> enough, my Council Tax doesn't reflect this.


> Excellent idea - I shall get one this weekend.

Check its weight, with batteries, first it is quite a lump. Not sure
if they do a 5 cell certainly 4 and 3. We have 3 D cell Maglight as
well, 12 1/2" long and 7" projects from my hand when held at the lens
end, might be a bit short.

I take it you already have one of those cheap (<=A320) "1 million candle=

power" lamps? They don't normally have a very long run time (20 mins
or so), but for seeing well at distance (100+ yards) and really
screwing up peoples night vision they are excellent...

(*) Farmwatch is not just for farms, it is for any remote or isolated
place. At least it is up here.

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Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:09:21 GMT, Torak wrote:

> I have a 4D Maglite, does the job. I also have a tactical belt -
> I've done some security work, y'see - kitted out with more torches,
> Leatherman, cuffs, expandable baton....
>
> Oh, and a golf club.

Trouble is with that sort of stuff is that anyone trying to sue you
could use "going equiped" against you. Certainly for the baton and you
can't play golf in the dark, were as going out at night with a torch
is just sensible.

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Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
Dave Liquorice wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:09:21 GMT, Torak wrote:
>
>
>>I have a 4D Maglite, does the job. I also have a tactical belt -
>>I've done some security work, y'see - kitted out with more torches,
>>Leatherman, cuffs, expandable baton....
>>
>>Oh, and a golf club.
>
>
> Trouble is with that sort of stuff is that anyone trying to sue you
> could use "going equiped" against you. Certainly for the baton and you
> can't play golf in the dark, were as going out at night with a torch
> is just sensible.

Yeah. But frankly, if I'm burglar hunting, I'd rather be equipped than
unequipped; they've got enough advantages already. And if the buggers
sue me... well, it's bear trap time.

Frankly, as far as I'm concerned, as soon as the bastards break in they
lose all rights to mollycoddling. If they damage my property I'll stop
them. If they endanger or harm me, my family or my friends, I'll stop
them by whatever means necessary, and if they don't get up that's their
own bloody fault. I'd rather go to court than leave myself unable to
defend myself.

But yeah, you're absolutely right. In Britain the law's heavily stacked
in favour of the criminals, and it's a scandal.

 
So Torak was, like

> >
> Frankly, as far as I'm concerned, as soon as the bastards break in
> they lose all rights to mollycoddling. If they damage my property
> I'll stop them. If they endanger or harm me, my family or my friends,
> I'll stop them by whatever means necessary, and if they don't get up
> that's their own bloody fault. I'd rather go to court than leave
> myself unable to defend myself.
>
> But yeah, you're absolutely right. In Britain the law's heavily
> stacked in favour of the criminals, and it's a scandal.

Recent article on the subject from Libby Purves in The Times - seems spot-on
to me.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1056-1340298,00.html

"We do not rule that drunken drivers need protecting from brick walls, or
worry about bank robbers jarring their backs when the getaway car
accelerates. If you prod a sleeping dog it will snap; stick your hand in a
fire and get burnt; frighten somebody in his own home and he might lash out.
If your victim happens to be lucky, or strong, you could be badly hurt.
Well, hard luck. When you forced that window, you forfeited your right not
to be thumped."

My thoughts exactly.


--

Rich

Nullum Gratuitum Prandium


 
Me, I have a silver topped walking stick, no-one is going to deny me the
right to carry that and it is just as effective as a golf club (unless you
want to play golf with it that is)

--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:09:21 GMT, Torak wrote:
>
..
>
> Trouble is with that sort of stuff is that anyone trying to sue you
> could use "going equiped" against you. Certainly for the baton and you
> can't play golf in the dark, were as going out at night with a torch
> is just sensible.
>
> --
> Cheers [email protected]
> Dave. pam is missing e-mail
>
>
>


 
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:06:01 +0000 (UTC), Richard Brookman wrote:

> Recent article on the subject from Libby Purves in The Times - seems
> spot-on to me.

Damn good article, I hope Mr Blunkett has seen it. Maybe everyone who
agrees with it ought to e-mail the URL to their MP and Mr Blunkett
saying that they agree with the sentiment.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
On Saturday, in article
<[email protected]>
[email protected] "Dave Liquorice" wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:06:01 +0000 (UTC), Richard Brookman wrote:
>
> > Recent article on the subject from Libby Purves in The Times - seems
> > spot-on to me.
>
> Damn good article, I hope Mr Blunkett has seen it.

A trifle unlikely, I think.

--
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:06:01 +0000 (UTC), Richard Brookman wrote:
>
>>Recent article on the subject from Libby Purves in The Times - seems
>>spot-on to me.
>
> Damn good article, I hope Mr Blunkett has seen it. Maybe everyone who
> agrees with it ought to e-mail the URL to their MP and Mr Blunkett
> saying that they agree with the sentiment.

Good idea. As soon as I find the guy's email address....

 
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:17:54 GMT, Torak wrote:

>> Damn good article, I hope Mr Blunkett has seen it. Maybe everyone
>> who agrees with it ought to e-mail the URL to their MP and Mr
>> Blunkett saying that they agree with the sentiment.
>
> Good idea. As soon as I find the guy's email address....

Try:

http://www.locata.co.uk/commons/

And feed it your postcode. Comes back your constituency, MPs name and
contact details, phone, snail mail and email etc.

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