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3 new products by HSL Racing added to the Llama 4x4 range

KOOLANT: cooling system affitive will reduce running temperature of engine.
Helps reduce overheating problems. 500ml bottle treats 15 litres of coolant.
Safely mixes with antifreeze. £14 per bottle

'KLEENANT' is a concentrated pressure washer detergent designed for
removing the oily traffic film after use on a track ( or inner city
delays! ). Safe on paint. Mix at 50:1 with water as a detergent for the
pressure washer or at 5:1 as an engine / component degreaser for manual
application. Could be described as a posh fleetwash. £6 a bottle ( 500ml )

'LUBRICANT' . is a very powerful water displacer and pentrating oil.
Supplied in a 250ml pump spray bottle. If it can run an electric drill
underwater imagine how well it will seal your ingnition! £4.95 a bottle.

We are also looking at stocking SCREENANT - a very concentrated
screenwash that de-ices to -10 degrees or dilutes at 20:1 for summer use.
Trade enquiries for any of the above can also be accepted as we have
distributor status for HSL Racing products.

David
LLAMA 4x4
www.llama4x4.co.uk


 
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:35:36 -0000, "David_LLAMA4x4"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>KOOLANT: cooling system affitive will reduce running temperature of engine.
>Helps reduce overheating problems. 500ml bottle treats 15 litres of coolant.
>Safely mixes with antifreeze. £14 per bottle

How does this 'work'?

>'LUBRICANT' . is a very powerful water displacer and pentrating oil.
>Supplied in a 250ml pump spray bottle. If it can run an electric drill
>underwater imagine how well it will seal your ingnition! £4.95 a bottle.

Ah, I remember seeing someone do this on Tomorrows World about 20
years ago!

 
In article <[email protected]>, Mother wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:35:36 -0000, "David_LLAMA4x4"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>KOOLANT: cooling system affitive will reduce running temperature of engine.
>>Helps reduce overheating problems. 500ml bottle treats 15 litres of coolant.
>>Safely mixes with antifreeze. £14 per bottle
>
> How does this 'work'?
>

I rmember reading something about these sort of products a while back in a
motoring magazine, something to do with wetting agents.

A quick google turned this up

http://www.no-rosion.com/hypercool.htm

An excerpt from the above link:

HyperCool High Performance Supercoolant increases coolant's ability to wet
metal surfaces by reducing its surface tension. This allows coolant to conduct
heat more effectively at critical liquid-to-metal interfaces inside cylinder
heads and the radiator. The corresponding reduction in cylinder head
temperature allows timing to be safely advanced without the threat of
detonation, thereby increasing horsepower. Hypercool provides temperature
reduction of approximately 5-7 degrees when run with coolant consisting of a
50/50 mix, and up to twenty degrees when used with straight water coolant.

--
simon at sbarr dot demon dot co dot uk
Simon Barr.
'97 110 300Tdi.
 
In <[email protected]> Mother wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:35:36 -0000, "David_LLAMA4x4"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>KOOLANT: cooling system affitive will reduce running temperature of
>>engine. Helps reduce overheating problems. 500ml bottle treats 15
>>litres of coolant. Safely mixes with antifreeze. £14 per bottle
>
> How does this 'work'?

There's a few of these products on the market but I think the original
one was a product called "Water Wetter" that seemed to gain favour in
Rallying a few years ago. I first came across it when I was using a
standard Series III 2.25 radiator to cool a V8 and was having some
problems... Water Wetter was suggested as a possible solution.

IIRC it was claimed to do two things to improve heat transfer, it
reduced the surface tension of the water allowing it to bond close with
the metal around it and there was something about it reducing the size
of air/oxygen bubbles betwen the water and metal so the contact area was
increased.

I never tried it myself but I got quite a few strong recommendations
from rally competitors who seemed to think it was the business. There
was a stand at Billing a few years ago with a guy selling nothing but
Water Wetter in both petrol and diesel variants (IIRC the diesel version
didn't have the anti-corrosion additives ?).

It's also used as an additive for computer CPU cooling systems BTW.

Try a google for water wetter and you'll find loads of articles on it
and similar products.

cheers

Dave W.
http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/
 

"Dave White" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In <[email protected]> Mother wrote:
> > On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:35:36 -0000, "David_LLAMA4x4"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>KOOLANT: cooling system affitive will reduce running temperature of
> >>engine. Helps reduce overheating problems. 500ml bottle treats 15
> >>litres of coolant. Safely mixes with antifreeze. £14 per bottle
> >
> > How does this 'work'?
>
> There's a few of these products on the market but I think the original
> one was a product called "Water Wetter" that seemed to gain favour in
> Rallying a few years ago. I first came across it when I was using a
> standard Series III 2.25 radiator to cool a V8 and was having some
> problems... Water Wetter was suggested as a possible solution.
>
> IIRC it was claimed to do two things to improve heat transfer, it
> reduced the surface tension of the water allowing it to bond close with
> the metal around it and there was something about it reducing the size
> of air/oxygen bubbles betwen the water and metal so the contact area was
> increased.
>
> I never tried it myself but I got quite a few strong recommendations
> from rally competitors who seemed to think it was the business. There
> was a stand at Billing a few years ago with a guy selling nothing but
> Water Wetter in both petrol and diesel variants (IIRC the diesel version
> didn't have the anti-corrosion additives ?).
>
> It's also used as an additive for computer CPU cooling systems BTW.
>
> Try a google for water wetter and you'll find loads of articles on it
> and similar products.
>
> cheers
>
> Dave W.
> http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/

That is my understanding of how it works and the rallying world is where i
have sold most so far though a few trials bike people have had some to try.
The one I sell does have corrosion inhibitors in it and is for either
petrol or diesel engines with no differenciation between them. It also has
( ny nature rather than added ) a lubricating effect that will benefit your
water pump.
I put some of my first stock delivery into my 110 Tdi which never
overheats anyway! It always ran with the needle just touching the bottom of
the normal marj - since adding the Koolant there is now a thin line of black
guage between the needle and the matk..

It is never going to cure an engine with a cooling fault but as an aid to
cooling when you are trying hard ( or towing ) it has obvious benefits and
as detailed in one of the replies earlier in the thread can actually allow
you to eek more power out of your engine.

David
LLAMA 4x4
www.llama4x4.co.uk


 
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:26:17 -0000, "David_LLAMA4x4"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/
>
> That is my understanding of how it works and the rallying world is where i
>have sold most so far though a few trials bike people have had some to try.
> The one I sell does have corrosion inhibitors in it and is for either
>petrol or diesel engines with no differenciation between them. It also has
>( ny nature rather than added ) a lubricating effect that will benefit your
>water pump.
> I put some of my first stock delivery into my 110 Tdi which never
>overheats anyway! It always ran with the needle just touching the bottom of
>the normal marj - since adding the Koolant there is now a thin line of black
>guage between the needle and the matk..
>
> It is never going to cure an engine with a cooling fault but as an aid to
>cooling when you are trying hard ( or towing ) it has obvious benefits and
>as detailed in one of the replies earlier in the thread can actually allow
>you to eek more power out of your engine.

Has anybody tried it on a 101 yet? :)

 
David_LLAMA4x4 <[email protected]> wrote:

> 3 new products

Which product do you recommend for removing those irritating greasy
spammers from newsgroups?

--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759
 
In article <1gn1i7y.1dsbhyijn4gr5N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>, Steve Firth wrote:
> David_LLAMA4x4 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> 3 new products
>
> Which product do you recommend for removing those irritating greasy
> spammers from newsgroups?
>

I think you'll find that David is a regular in a.f.l. and no-one there minds
him advertising from time to time.

I for one find *you* much more irritating.

--
simon at sbarr dot demon dot co dot uk
Simon Barr.
'97 110 300Tdi.
 

"Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:26:17 -0000, "David_LLAMA4x4"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/
> >
> > That is my understanding of how it works and the rallying world is where
i
> >have sold most so far though a few trials bike people have had some to
try.
> > The one I sell does have corrosion inhibitors in it and is for either
> >petrol or diesel engines with no differenciation between them. It also
has
> >( ny nature rather than added ) a lubricating effect that will benefit
your
> >water pump.
> > I put some of my first stock delivery into my 110 Tdi which never
> >overheats anyway! It always ran with the needle just touching the bottom
of
> >the normal marj - since adding the Koolant there is now a thin line of
black
> >guage between the needle and the matk..
> >
> > It is never going to cure an engine with a cooling fault but as an aid
to
> >cooling when you are trying hard ( or towing ) it has obvious benefits
and
> >as detailed in one of the replies earlier in the thread can actually
allow
> >you to eek more power out of your engine.
>
> Has anybody tried it on a 101 yet? :)
>

Not to my knowledge but it seems an ideal vehicle to try it on - the
cooling system works but is on the edge and a little help might be handy...
Email me and we may be able to sort out a sample for you....

David
LLAMA 4x4
www.llama4x4.co.uk



 

"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1gn1i7y.1dsbhyijn4gr5N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
> David_LLAMA4x4 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > 3 new products
>
> Which product do you recommend for removing those irritating greasy
> spammers from newsgroups?
>
> --
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
> temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>
> -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

Just had a word with the foreman at the blenders and he reckons you use
the same product as the one you would use to remove irrelevant quotes from
signatures on the same NG's.

David
LLAMA 4x4
www.llama4x4.co.uk


 
Simon Barr <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> I think you'll find that David is a regular in a.f.l. and no-one there minds
> him advertising from time to time.

Incorrect, I mind.

> I for one find *you* much more irritating.

Tough titty.

--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759
 

"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1gn1m3s.1v74j2y14grzmsN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
> Simon Barr <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> > I think you'll find that David is a regular in a.f.l. and no-one there
minds
> > him advertising from time to time.
>
> Incorrect, I mind.
>
> > I for one find *you* much more irritating.
>
> Tough titty.
>
> --
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
> temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>
> -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

To my knowledge I don't think I have met either Simon or yourself in the
flesh to formulate an opinion on you but from what I have seen of the
comments you both post on the NG I thank Simon for his support and with
thoughts on your objections to my occasional ads ( topical ) compared to my
regular contributions then, in your own words, 'tough titty'.

David
LLAMA 4x4
www.llama4x4.co.uk

It is great that you have liberty to speak your mind but would Mr Franklin
have called censorship 'liberty'?


 
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:23:49 -0000, "David_LLAMA4x4"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> Has anybody tried it on a 101 yet? :)
>>
> Not to my knowledge but it seems an ideal vehicle to try it on - the
>cooling system works but is on the edge and a little help might be handy...
> Email me and we may be able to sort out a sample for you....

Will email you shortly :)

I've got a 101 with a recored rad that still runs warm. Would be
interesting to try it out.

I'm trying to sort out some data logging kit that i can use in the
truck to give me some more reliable dashboard readings. so if you can
give me a couple of months..

 
On or around Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:27:45 -0000, "David_LLAMA4x4"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>>
>> --
>> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
>> temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>>
>> -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759
>
> Just had a word with the foreman at the blenders and he reckons you use
>the same product as the one you would use to remove irrelevant quotes from
>signatures on the same NG's.
>

'ere. My sig has random quotes. There are, I grant you, a few that don't
fit in the "standard" 4X80 space. But only about 2 or 3 from I forget how
many.
 
David_LLAMA4x4 <[email protected]> wrote:

> To my knowledge I don't think I have met either Simon or yourself in the
> flesh to formulate an opinion on you but from what I have seen of the
> comments you both post on the NG I thank Simon for his support and with
> thoughts on your objections to my occasional ads ( topical ) compared to my
> regular contributions then, in your own words, 'tough titty'.

I don't care how topical you think advertising is, always off topic, and
always has been. If you want to advertise, why not use the groups that
have the word "advert" or "adverts" in their name? These groups are
provided for people who wish to advertise.

> It is great that you have liberty to speak your mind but would Mr Franklin
> have called censorship 'liberty'?

Complaining about commercial use of a non-commercial resource is not
censorship. Do you propose to pay me for the rental of the space that
your UCE takes up on my hard drive? After all, I pay for that space and
for the bandwidth that you use up, you don't.

If you want to pay for your advertising then I'm all in favour of it.
Otherwise, you're stealing and the only issue about liberty is that
you're taking a liberty.

OTOH if this place is as you and Simon think a fit place for advertising
I think I can summon up the odd Gb or so of product placement for my own
business. Is that what you want?

--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759
 
Steve Firth wrote:

> Which product do you recommend for removing those irritating greasy
> spammers from newsgroups?

We've had this argument before now and the general concensus at the time
was that occasional relevant adverts from people who provide frequent
useful information to the group is acceptable. I would count David as
one of those people.

(Note to people in uk.rec.cars.4x4 - I don't read that group so the
previous paragraph could be complete nonsense for that group. It holds
true for alt.fan.landrover though. The following is however valid for both)

If you don't want his post using up valuable space on your hard drive
(which given hard drives cost around 50p per GB these days works out at
0.00025p for a 5kbyte post) then nobody is forcing you to keep it (or
indeed even to download it from the server in the first place using up
your equally valuable bandwidth). If even that is too much for you then
you also of course have the killfile option.

Regarding one of your other posts I would hope you can see the
difference between an odd 5Kbyte on topic advert from someone who posts
frequent helpful posts to the group and "the odd Gb or so" you mention.
A factor of 200,000 in size is the first thing that jumps to mind...

Paul

--
Paul Everett
repton at repton dot org
http://www.repton.org/
 
On or around Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:19:33 +0000, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve
Firth) enlightened us thusly:

>I don't care how topical you think advertising is, always off topic, and
>always has been. If you want to advertise, why not use the groups that
>have the word "advert" or "adverts" in their name? These groups are
>provided for people who wish to advertise.

I bet the LR group charter at least has a proviso for on-topic adverts,
provided they're not repeated. the normal wording is not more than once a
month, I suspect.

although personally, ICBA to look.

 
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:23:49 -0000, "David_LLAMA4x4"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Not to my knowledge but it seems an ideal vehicle to try it on - the

Indeed - as I have now managed to restore the 'normal' running temp in
Grumble by way of putting a viscous fan back in, I'd be interested in
how well it copes.

>cooling system works but is on the edge and a little help might be handy...
> Email me and we may be able to sort out a sample for you....

I may be interested in writing an independent evaluation if you want
to do some horsetrading.

 
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:19:33 +0000, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
wrote:

>I don't care how topical you think advertising is, always off topic, and
>always has been.

You know very little.

>If you want to advertise, why not use the groups that
>have the word "advert" or "adverts" in their name?

Think about this for a moment:

David Round is a regular contributor here. He is also - aside of any
business concerns, a keen enthusiast and gives freely of his time,
unpaid, in many envirm=onments. He does also run a little business
Llama 4x4 - and will occasionally post - as here, that he has
something others here may be interested in. This is a sort of
infotisement, or adformation, and I don't find it an issue.


>These groups are
>provided for people who wish to advertise.

And I don't read advertising groups.

>Complaining about commercial use of a non-commercial resource is not
>censorship. Do you propose to pay me for the rental of the space that
>your UCE takes up on my hard drive? After all, I pay for that space and
>for the bandwidth that you use up, you don't.
>
>If you want to pay for your advertising then I'm all in favour of it.
>Otherwise, you're stealing and the only issue about liberty is that
>you're taking a liberty.
>
>OTOH if this place is as you and Simon think a fit place for advertising
>I think I can summon up the odd Gb or so of product placement for my own
>business. Is that what you want?

Now you're just being a little bit of a ****wit. Mind, that's a right
of passage, learn from it, live with it and try to get over it.

No hard feelings an all.

 
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:58:32 +0000, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:23:49 -0000, "David_LLAMA4x4"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Not to my knowledge but it seems an ideal vehicle to try it on - the
>
>Indeed - as I have now managed to restore the 'normal' running temp in
>Grumble by way of putting a viscous fan back in, I'd be interested in
>how well it copes.
>
>>cooling system works but is on the edge and a little help might be handy...
>> Email me and we may be able to sort out a sample for you....
>
>I may be interested in writing an independent evaluation if you want
>to do some horsetrading.

If you can give it some sensible tests it would be interesting to see
the results!
The next step on my 101 is probably heads off or waterpump if it wont
cool down some.

If you can measure the temperature of the same journey before and
after on days with the same sort of ambient conditions and see if it
does owt it would be good.
 
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