Mud terrains on road

How much of a pain in the arse are mud terrains on tarmac noise wise, also
will they wear out unduly?

and the golden question not often asked here (ha-ha!) how big can I go on my
ES alloy rims with a + 2" lift ?

I'm looking at BFG AT's

StaffBull composed the following;:
> How much of a pain in the arse are mud terrains on tarmac noise wise,
> also will they wear out unduly?

Dunno, not run MT's on road much, we normally only put them on when we're
going off seriously.

> and the golden question not often asked here (ha-ha!) how big can I go
> on my ES alloy rims with a + 2" lift ?
>
> I'm looking at BFG AT's

I run 31 105 R 15's on a stock Disco with no mods to steering or anything
else, and they're fine. They _just_ catch the rear off-side valance, but
when I get a tuit I'll space it out a half inch to clear. A lift won't
make much difference to this, I don't think, though I could be wrong.

I'm also still looking for some more cheap BFG AT's ..

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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:57:41 -0000, "StaffBull"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>How much of a pain in the arse are mud terrains on tarmac noise wise, also
>will they wear out unduly?
>
>and the golden question not often asked here (ha-ha!) how big can I go on my
>ES alloy rims with a + 2" lift ?
>

You can't hear the noise of MT's over a Series.... I have found.

Actually, they tend to hum a bit, can be annoying on a long motorway
run, and they do wear out quicker. Handling compromised, especially at
the rear in the wet.

Probaby a better bet to go for AT's if you're going to do most miles
on the road.

Alex

On 2005-02-15, StaffBull <[email protected]> wrote:

> How much of a pain in the arse are mud terrains on tarmac noise
> wise, also will they wear out unduly?

You can certainly hear them, loudest probably around the 30-40MPH mark
although this is mostly due to everything else not making much noise
at that speed. In my 110 commercial with canvas top, tyre noise
doesn't stand out much above everything else.

As for safety, hard to tell without doing direct comparisons but I
drive quite briskly and lean the truck quite a bit going round some
roundabouts, they've never stepped out despite no weight on the
rears.

Wear is worse than my old BFG Trak-edges, but I've done 6,000 on mine
and they look like they've got at least that in them again.

The upside is that off-roading on green lanes I've never even been
close to getting stuck on the same lanes and similar conditions on
places where the BFG Trac-edges stopped me. With the AT tyres I've
been stuck on flat ground covered in a thin layer of thick-ish mud,
but with the MTs I've not even felt the wheels slip. Pulling other
people out on Salisbury Plain was trivial too, the impression is that
there's far more grip available now.

> I'm looking at BFG AT's

I got remoulds, thought I'd save some cash, they are Technic Trackers
which are BFG MT copies based on BFG carcasses, I wouldn't buy them
again. You need to tube them and the tyres aren't made for it, so in
1 month I had 5 tyre deflations on different tyres, despite lashings
of chalk and careful fitting. Solved it in the end by pumping up to
40PSI and keeping speed down to 60 or less. Next time I'll go for the
real thing.

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StaffBull wrote:
> How much of a pain in the arse are mud terrains on tarmac noise wise, also
> will they wear out unduly?

We've got MT's on a 4WD Hilux at work - they are bloody noisy and annoy
me no end. It's got to the stage that when I have to do a trip of more
than a couple of hours I'll change them for the AT's before I go and
swap them back afterwards.


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In <[email protected]> StaffBull wrote:
> How much of a pain in the arse are mud terrains on tarmac noise wise,
> also will they wear out unduly?

There's MTs and then there's MTs....

As for noise, tyres like the Greenway Macho or the BFG MT are well
behaved and fairly quiet on the road. My Simex Centipedes OTOH make a
hell of a noise at lower speeds that gradually evolves into a banshee
like sound by the time you hit 80mph.

Tyre wear covers a similar spectrum but generally remoulds use a much
softer rubber than "new" tyres so don't last as long and running any MT
on the road will reduce their off road performance as the edges of the
blocks become nicely rounded off.

> and the golden question not often asked here (ha-ha!) how big can I go
> on my ES alloy rims with a + 2" lift ?
>
> I'm looking at BFG AT's

I thought you were asking about mud terrains ????

If I were you I'd stick with road tyres on the alloys and get a set of
MTs on steel rims with a decent offset (not Disco steel rims !) Using
alloys off road damages them, you'd be amazed how quickly a decent set
off alloys get scuffed/scratched up off road.

Tyre size is entirely dependant on how much body work you are prepared
to cut away.

cheers

Dave W.
http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/

On 2005-02-16, EMB <[email protected]> wrote:

> We've got MT's on a 4WD Hilux at work - they are bloody noisy and annoy
> me no end. It's got to the stage that when I have to do a trip of more
> than a couple of hours I'll change them for the AT's before I go and
> swap them back afterwards.

Blimey, are they round or square? If square, next time go for the
round ones..

I'm amazed you go to the trouble of changing them, first time I've
ever heard of someone being that annoyed by tyre noise.

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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:44:06 +0000, Ian Rawlings wrote:

> I'm amazed you go to the trouble of changing them, first time I've
> ever heard of someone being that annoyed by tyre noise.

I don't think you could have heard what some tyres sound like on
tarmac... There are a couple of Landies that drive around here that
make a hell of din from the tyres, so much it drowns out the engine
noise and yes they are diesels...

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On 2005-02-16, Dave Liquorice <[email protected]> wrote:

> I don't think you could have heard what some tyres sound like on
> tarmac...

Dumper tyres would make a hell of a racket but I know what a landy on
big muds sounds like, I'm on muds myself and have at least one friend
on grizzly claws. My truck is a 110 commercial with no carpets, a
bare metal loadbed and a canvas roof, I removed the stereo from the
truck as I could never hear it much over the engine, wind noise,
flapping of the canvas and all the other noises a naked landy makes.
Adding MTs to the mix didn't make much of a difference, I can hear
them for sure but it's certainly nowhere near the level required to
make them bothersome for me. Some people are either a bit more picky
than me or some other factor was at work, e.g. he had winter tyres
with metal studs ;-)

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In message <[email protected]>, Mr. Nice.
<markvarleyphoto@*nospam*softhome.net> writes
>On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:57:41 -0000, "StaffBull"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>How much of a pain in the arse are mud terrains on tarmac noise wise, also
>>will they wear out unduly?
>>
>>and the golden question not often asked here (ha-ha!) how big can I go on my
>>ES alloy rims with a + 2" lift ?
>>
>>I'm looking at BFG AT's
>
>I ran deestone crossplies until yesterday on my 110, they are fairly
>aggressive mud terrains.
>http://www.markvarleyphoto.co.uk/temp/muddy1.jpg
>they lasted about a year / 6000 miles of 90% on-road use.
>the were a bit slippery in the wet and the road noise was, well,
>noisy.
>Now replaced with colway AT's, too easly to comment on them but they
>do seem quieter.
>
>
>Regards.
>Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
Done 57k on my BFG Mts and mostly on tarmac. Not much tread left on them
now though.
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