MOT handbrake questions tips wanted

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dave

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• Mar 26, 2005

• #1

hiya guys,

im going to put a daihatsu box into a series2 landy, but im stuck on
what to do with the handbrake, as the daihatsu has cables that work on
the rear shoes.

am i right in thinking the handbrake HAS to be a on a seperate system
to the brakes, so i cant put a kinda fiddle brake in line.

anyone done this or got any advice for me on this.

cheers


andy

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Mar 26, 2005

• #2

On or around Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:05:00 +0000, dave <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>hiya guys,
>
>im going to put a daihatsu box into a series2 landy, but im stuck on
>what to do with the handbrake, as the daihatsu has cables that work on
>the rear shoes.
>
>am i right in thinking the handbrake HAS to be a on a seperate system
>to the brakes, so i cant put a kinda fiddle brake in line.
>
>anyone done this or got any advice for me on this.


supposed to, yeah. I know someone who did a similar job and has a cable
which pulls the footbrake pedal down...

Someone suggested that you can substitute Transit backplates for the LR rear
brakes, and thereby get ones with handbrake levers in 'em. Dunno if that's
true, though.

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Ian Rawlings

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• Mar 26, 2005

• #3

On 2005-03-26, dave <[email protected]> wrote:

> am i right in thinking the handbrake HAS to be a on a seperate
> system to the brakes, so i cant put a kinda fiddle brake in line.

Fiddle brakes are illegal on road-going vehicles from what I've heard
talking to the Class 1 Modified guys who build their own design of
non-road-going 4x4s for competition use. You might get away with it
but if not it could be more hassle than it's worth.

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert

 

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dave

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• Mar 26, 2005

• #4

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:17:34 +0000, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2005-03-26, dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> am i right in thinking the handbrake HAS to be a on a seperate
>> system to the brakes, so i cant put a kinda fiddle brake in line.
>
>Fiddle brakes are illegal on road-going vehicles from what I've heard
>talking to the Class 1 Modified guys who build their own design of
>non-road-going 4x4s for competition use. You might get away with it
>but if not it could be more hassle than it's worth.


hiya,

it wouldnt be a fiddle brake as a fiddle brake, all it would be would
be is a lever to apply a brake, fitting a ratchet system would hold it
on, but, i would be using the existing brake lines, dont know if, but
it makes sense if the hanbrake is independant of all other systems.


im interested in the transit backplate thought, Austin, is there
anyway you can find out off this guy if its viable, or give him my
e-mail to contact me directly

andyatbadlrcdotcom

thanks

andy

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Mar 27, 2005

• #5

On or around Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:11:30 +0000, dave <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>im interested in the transit backplate thought, Austin, is there
>anyway you can find out off this guy if its viable, or give him my
>e-mail to contact me directly

he doesn't do email, nor did he in the end do it. I don't know whether he
didn't do it 'cos it didn't work or just 'cos he never got around to it.

some of the transits have the right diameter brakes. You'd have to work out
which one to hunt brakeplates off.

can't tell much more than that. Just that I'd heard it could be done.
--
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I'm with you there, of course: They use the snaffle and the bit
alright, but where's the bloody horse? - Roy Campbell (1902-1957)

 

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R L Driver

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• Mar 27, 2005

• #6

"dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> hiya guys,
>
> im going to put a daihatsu box into a series2 landy, but im stuck on
> what to do with the handbrake, as the daihatsu has cables that work on
> the rear shoes.
>
> am i right in thinking the handbrake HAS to be a on a seperate system
> to the brakes, so i cant put a kinda fiddle brake in line.
>
> anyone done this or got any advice for me on this.
>
> cheers
>
>
> andy

You can forget " devices to hold the brake pedal down " the hand brake has
to be a mechanical device , and a seperate means of operation. So no
hydraulics then
or fiddle brakes etc.
steve the grease

 

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SimonJ

Guest

• Mar 27, 2005

• #7

>
> im going to put a daihatsu box into a series2 landy,
>
Why?

 

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dave

Guest

• Mar 27, 2005

• #8

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:10:20 +0000 (UTC), "SimonJ" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>>
>> im going to put a daihatsu box into a series2 landy,
>>
>Why?
>

because as much as i love land rover, they made ( to todays standards)
a crap gearbox. as i drive my series on the road every day and pull a
21 foot caravan once a month.

now i have a far superior engine than the original 2 1/4 petrol (
daihatsu 2.8 turbo) the weak link is now the transmission, im going
thru the gears as fast as Mr schumacker and even with overdrive it
sounds a bit scary at 70.

so what to do with the gearbox, well theres no better box for a
particular engine,than the one the manufacturer intended it to be
mated up to.

so mating the daihatsu box upto the daihatsu engine would probably
move the weak link further down the chain to the diffs, ive got rangey
diffs to swap to if needed.

so id have a 5 speed box, which should need very little maintenance
and be very quiet, it should pull my caravan, drive around town
respectfully, i could actually SELECT gears with ease,and i could low
box it for the trials and green lanes.what more do i want,

Andy

 

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SimonJ

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• Mar 28, 2005

• #9

"dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:10:20 +0000 (UTC), "SimonJ" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >>
> >> im going to put a daihatsu box into a series2 landy,
> >>
> >Why?
> >
>
> because as much as i love land rover, they made ( to todays standards)
> a crap gearbox. as i drive my series on the road every day and pull a
> 21 foot caravan once a month.
>
> now i have a far superior engine than the original 2 1/4 petrol (
> daihatsu 2.8 turbo) the weak link is now the transmission, im going
> thru the gears as fast as Mr schumacker and even with overdrive it
> sounds a bit scary at 70.
>
> so what to do with the gearbox, well theres no better box for a
> particular engine,than the one the manufacturer intended it to be
> mated up to.
>
> so mating the daihatsu box upto the daihatsu engine would probably
> move the weak link further down the chain to the diffs, ive got rangey
> diffs to swap to if needed.
>
> so id have a 5 speed box, which should need very little maintenance
> and be very quiet, it should pull my caravan, drive around town
> respectfully, i could actually SELECT gears with ease,and i could low
> box it for the trials and green lanes.what more do i want,
>
>
Ok. try fitting the rangie diffs, and a SIII box. That way you get the
better ratio transmission, courtesy of the diffs, you get a full syncro box,
and you still retain a handbrake.

Unless the trick someone suggested using transit brakes works, you are going
to have a right royal pain of a time trying to rig a handbrake up, bearing
in mind that it is illegal to have a hydraulic parking brake.

 

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dave

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• Mar 28, 2005

• #10

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:18:11 +0100, MVP <mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net>
wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 00:38:19 +0000 (UTC), "SimonJ" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:10:20 +0000 (UTC), "SimonJ" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> im going to put a daihatsu box into a series2 landy,
>>> >>
>>> >Why?
>>> >
>>>
>>> because as much as i love land rover, they made ( to todays standards)
>>> a crap gearbox. as i drive my series on the road every day and pull a
>>> 21 foot caravan once a month.
>>>
>>> now i have a far superior engine than the original 2 1/4 petrol (
>>> daihatsu 2.8 turbo) the weak link is now the transmission, im going
>>> thru the gears as fast as Mr schumacker and even with overdrive it
>>> sounds a bit scary at 70.
>>>
>>> so what to do with the gearbox, well theres no better box for a
>>> particular engine,than the one the manufacturer intended it to be
>>> mated up to.
>>>
>>> so mating the daihatsu box upto the daihatsu engine would probably
>>> move the weak link further down the chain to the diffs, ive got rangey
>>> diffs to swap to if needed.
>>>
>>> so id have a 5 speed box, which should need very little maintenance
>>> and be very quiet, it should pull my caravan, drive around town
>>> respectfully, i could actually SELECT gears with ease,and i could low
>>> box it for the trials and green lanes.what more do i want,
>>>
>>>
>>Ok. try fitting the rangie diffs, and a SIII box. That way you get the
>>better ratio transmission, courtesy of the diffs, you get a full syncro box,
>>and you still retain a handbrake.
>>
>>Unless the trick someone suggested using transit brakes works, you are going
>>to have a right royal pain of a time trying to rig a handbrake up, bearing
>>in mind that it is illegal to have a hydraulic parking brake.
>
>I rather think that if you can fit the transit hubs then connecting
>them up to the handbrake mechanism should be a doddle.
>
>I'm not sure how the daihatsu box compares to the S3 box in terms of
>gear ratios but I expect the S3 are all lower geared so your daihatsu
>box will make tings more civilised on-road.
>
>Have you checked the dimensions of the daihatsu engine/gearbox to see
>if the gear selecter(s) will land in a reasonable spot in the cab?
>
>Range Rover diffs are higher geared and I understand stronger than S3
>but I'd not fit them until you have driven with the new gearbox to see
>if you want the drivetrain increased in ratio even more.
>
>Is it perhaps possible to fit a land rover handbrake assembly to the
>back of the transfer box? I'm not oversure how that'd work but it'd be
>the first thing I'd look at.
>
>
>
>Regards.
>Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)


hiya,

i could fit a disk with hydraulic calliper, with no real hassle. but
alas i think its illegal to have a hydraulic park brake.

the daihatsu box has all kinds of conical covers on the rear, which
doesnt look too promising to fit the landy transmission brake.

so the tranny backplates seem the most appealing at the minuite. but
im just 1/4 of the way thru manufacturing my own exhaust (from
scratch) what a bleedin pain.

after that its weld the bulkhead back up, fix the bulkhead support and
then fit loads and loads of soundproofing, then test it. and after ive
got 12 months ticket, then ill swap gearbox`s and that way it gives me
11 month to sort the handbrake out, but in reallity it`ll be 10 month
of driving with no handbrake and " oh my god 4 weeks to sort the
handbrake out".

cheers

andy