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Walkers battle with 4x4s over rights of way

A legal loophole is allowing ancient lanes to be used by recreational off-roaders to the dismay of countryside groups

Peter Hetherington and Sam Jones
Saturday April 10, 2004
The Guardian

With satellite navigation, thick tyres and underside reinforcements, the customised 1980 Range Rover with a sawn-off rear end represents the ultimate in rough riding for Justin Dickenson.
Like thousands of 4x4 enthusiasts, he takes to the country's little-known green lanes every weekend, sometimes covering more than 50 miles searching for overgrown routes which could provide more challenging territory.

"It is purely a toy, my little escape," says Mr Dickenson, a steel erector who has spent countless hours converting and shortening his 3.5 litre machine.

"If I want adrenalin I go to a dedicated off-road site, perhaps an old quarry, and push it to the absolute limit. But for relaxation it is a brilliant way to chill out and enjoy the peace and tranquillity of the countryside."

For many others that peace is being shattered by an off-roading army exploiting a legal loophole to upgrade part of the 130,000-mile rights of way footpath network into "byways open to all traffic".

The off-roaders say that the use of a track by a horse and cart several hundred years ago proves that it is a road even though it is indistinguishable from the surrounding landscape. Councils are being flooded with upgrading applications from off-roaders who are proud to have "liberated" hundreds of miles of "road" over the past few years.

But the action has pitched them against a bigger army of countryside groups, who claim that off-roaders are causing mayhem and threatening ramblers, cyclists and horse riders who get in their way.

A range of rural and equestrian groups say some of the country's oldest byways, including national trails like the Ridgeway - between Overton Hill, Wiltshire, and Ivinghoe Beacon, Buckinghamshire, have been turned into quagmires or impassable tracks.

With ugly confrontations breaking out in some areas, the government is considering closing the legal loophole.

Trying to balance both sides in what some regard as an irreconcilable conflict, Alun Michael, the rural affairs minister, told the Guardian that the loophole was a "perversion" of the law.

"At the moment, if you can prove that a historic right of way was used by a horse and cart 200-300 years ago, that leads automatically to a claim that a motor vehicle can be driven along it," he said. "There is something very odd about that. There are clearly places where very severe destruction is being done to green lanes which were simply not meant for that sort of (vehicle) use."

With sales of 4x4s up from less than 8,000 annually 20 years ago to almost 160,000 now he said the government could not shut its eyes .

The Ramblers' Association, whose membership dwarfs the off-roading lobby, is adamant that all vehicles should be banned from green lanes and byways. It says the 1949 National Parks and Countryside Act never intended these old routes to be used by 4x4s or motorbikes.

The association says motorists already have ample access to minor routes at the expense of walkers.

But Mr Dickenson and his friends accuse the ramblers of arrogance. He says responsible off-roaders are undertaking a public service by opening up overgrown routes. "We have a recognised code of conduct and we stick to it," he says. "Quite often we stop and let walkers go past, but they look at you as if you were a bit of dirt on their boots. The countryside is open to everyone to enjoy and we have very little of it compared with everyone else."

Around the country, national parks report a growing number of confrontations between off-roaders and walkers. In the North Yorkshire Moors national park, police have started threatening bikers with legal action and issuing fixed penalty notices to people riding on open moorland.

In the Lake District, the park authority is considering a ban on off-roaders. Cumbria police say they will use powers in the Anti-social Behaviour Act 2003 to "seize vehicles from people breaking the law".

On the 85-mile Ridgeway paths have become so damaged that Mr Michael has announced a six-month off-roading ban during the autumn and winter.

Ian Ritchie, chairman of the Friends of the Ridgeway, thinks there has been a ten-fold increase in off-roading over 10 years. "In parts, what you see now would not be out of place in the Somme at the end of the first world war," he said.

But Mr Michael's task is to broker a compromise. He acknowledges he has received countless letters from people complaining of "abuse and intimidation" from off-roaders. But he insists that responsible off-roading groups now recognise that unless the activities of rogue elements are curbed, tougher measures could be introduced.

So why not a complete off-roading ban?

"I'd be reluctant to do that," he says. "But if we're not going to do that we need everyone engaging properly."

Farmers' wheels


Twenty years ago the natural habitat of the 4x4 was the farm, where it worked for a living.

Today, almost 160,000 new ones hit the roads each year, most sold to people without their own country estates to test them on.

The success of the Range Rover, launched in 1970 for £1,998, paved the way for the modern 4x4, and it became a symbol of the yuppie 80s

SUV school run


In the late 80s, Britain began to embrace the sports utility vehicle, the kind of car beloved of American drivers.

By now, almost every motor company, from Vauxhall to Porsche, has a 4x4 on the showroom floor.

Most of these probably never leave the tarmac - their habitat is the supermarket car park and the school run.

But more and more owners are testing their vehicles' offroad capability in the countryside
 
I hope you all like this post as I needed to post it to let you all see what we are all against.


I could not find out who posted this so I hope they are not unhappy that I have passed this post on.

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Miniman
Skipton N Yorkshire
 
Just remember to always be on your best behaviour. Don't give the narrow-minded people any ammo they could use against us. Always stop if you meet walkers on a lane (and switch-off your engine if there are horses about). We're not in any hurry are we? Taking the time to say hello usually gets a nice friendly response: it doesn't put you in a bad mood for the rest of the day and it helps convince the wooly-hatted brigade that we're thoroughly nice people. :)
 
It does not matter whether they think we are thoroughly nice people, most of us are but its not the ones actually out walking we have to be most worried about its those that sit in the background plotting and twisting truths we should be worried about.

JonL
 
:DWith all the tax the govement makes on 4x4s they should help us keep the green lanes open and the poor state off the roads soon all roads will seem like off road routes i dont see why the ramblers complain when we keep a lot of the lanes open and clear of obstuctions:D
 
Christ in a sidecar tho', what a biased, flawed & utterly unrepresentational piece from the Guardian (typical of the Guardian or not!). It doesn't even touch on just exactly how many of these skwillion 4X4s were not bought for & will never go "off road", greenlaning or frankly far from home, school or shops (a tiny fraction I'd guess). It doesn't give any alternative viewpoint the same column inches in order to present a balanced case & let the reader decide. Top journalism.......not!

Some guy on a bicycle the other day kicked the side of my III (whilst I was working underneath it!) & shouted some "green" obscenity while he rode off with his mate at high speed & on the pavement. Hmmmm, appropriate places for appropriate vehicles?

It's a sick, sick world out there!
 
I didn't see the piece as particularly biased against genuine off-roaders, it was more directed at the supermarket 4x4 owners.

Unfortunately there are a lot of 4x4 users (on and off-road) that give genuine and decent 4x4 owners & "green laners" a very bad name.

The hoards of people buying a 4x4 because they are a status symbol rather than the fact that they really need one, or have a genuine enthusiam for the LR mark and they have done more to damage 4x4ers than any other group, and that is why we face so much opposition.

As for off-road motorbikes, don't get me started, I can understand why they **** people off. The local park has them riding all over it and digging it up all the time - they make a right racket and make if difficult for me to take my two little sprogs there and let them run free - and we are in the middle of a residential area. I can only imagine what they get up to in the countryside where they are pretty much free to get away with whatever they like without being watched.

I do agree that there are some routes which need protecting and should not have 4x4's on them, but most of these routes have restrictions on them now already, we only have access (legally) to 2% of the available "green lanes". There are many footpaths which should have the same restrictions, but try explaining to the wooly jumper brigade that they do damage to the environment and you won't get very far as these people are incredibly closed minded people. They remind me of the Americans who blamed Concorde for anything from in-growing toenails in an attempt to stop if flying into New York.

Matt.
 
I must admit there are alot of women who just use it to pick the kids up and go to the supermarket. I think there should be a test to see if you can drive it on a track designed for the 4x4. Alot of people whould not bother with one then....:D
 
Probably mainly because half of the so called 4x4's are not capable, let alone the drivers of them! :)

Just saw an old Top Gear with the BMW X3 on it. Lost count of the number of times he got stuck off-road. JC basically said that as the X3 is totally useless off-road, awful ride on-road, and you should get a 5-series instead because it is the same price and a far better vehicle. I agree! In fact if it wasn't for the fact that I do actually go off-road - and tow things, I'd probably go back to having a 5-series as they are a fantastic vehicle.

Matt.
 
Look! if they ban it we'll do just what the toffs do with fox hunting, well just keep doing it, no one gives a toss there do they? ban 12 months old and not one prosecution so what the fook is everyone worrying about?
 
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