Last call for advice on TD to Tdi swap in 90

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Dave Reynolds

Guest

• Aug 10, 2004

• #1

Hi all (again)

Just a note to find out if anyone had carried out the above
conversion. It would appear that the engine mounts are the same and
the it will go straight on the 'box, but i am still trying to work out
whether the exhausts are the same or not as they look very similar!

Also, has anyone got any tips for this conversion. I can see that its
not going to be too difficult(!) but as this is my only road vehicle I
want to get it done in as short a time as possible. Knowing my luck I
will get the engine in no probs and find that i;ve got some small
problem that holds me up for ages!

Would be great to hear from someone that has already done this
conv.....

Cheers again

Dave

 

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David_LLAMA4x4

Guest

• Aug 11, 2004

• #2

"Dave Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi all (again)
>
> Just a note to find out if anyone had carried out the above
> conversion. It would appear that the engine mounts are the same and
> the it will go straight on the 'box, but i am still trying to work out
> whether the exhausts are the same or not as they look very similar!
>
> Also, has anyone got any tips for this conversion. I can see that its
> not going to be too difficult(!) but as this is my only road vehicle I
> want to get it done in as short a time as possible. Knowing my luck I
> will get the engine in no probs and find that i;ve got some small
> problem that holds me up for ages!
>
> Would be great to hear from someone that has already done this
> conv.....
>
> Cheers again
>
> Dave

As long as you get a 200Tdi from a Defender then the conversion is as easy
as taking one engine out and putting the other back in !!
All the mounts will line up and the TD exhaust will fit straight on to the
Tdi - even the engine loom will plug straight into the multi plug and will
work!
Just change the rad to a Tdi one with the intercooler built in and do up all
the extra hoseclips and drive away!!

Hope that puts your mind at ease.....

David
LLAMA 4x4
www.llama4x4.co.uk

 

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Dave Reynolds

Guest

• Aug 11, 2004

• #3

"David_LLAMA4x4" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Dave Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hi all (again)
> >
> > Just a note to find out if anyone had carried out the above
> > conversion. It would appear that the engine mounts are the same and
> > the it will go straight on the 'box, but i am still trying to work out
> > whether the exhausts are the same or not as they look very similar!
> >
> > Also, has anyone got any tips for this conversion. I can see that its
> > not going to be too difficult(!) but as this is my only road vehicle I
> > want to get it done in as short a time as possible. Knowing my luck I
> > will get the engine in no probs and find that i;ve got some small
> > problem that holds me up for ages!
> >
> > Would be great to hear from someone that has already done this
> > conv.....
> >
> > Cheers again
> >
> > Dave
>
> As long as you get a 200Tdi from a Defender then the conversion is as easy
> as taking one engine out and putting the other back in !!
> All the mounts will line up and the TD exhaust will fit straight on to the
> Tdi - even the engine loom will plug straight into the multi plug and will
> work!
> Just change the rad to a Tdi one with the intercooler built in and do up all
> the extra hoseclips and drive away!!
>
> Hope that puts your mind at ease.....
>
> David
> LLAMA 4x4
> www.llama4x4.co.uk

Thanks for that. Just bought a new rad for the old TD so i;m going to
keep that in place and put an intercooler kit in aswell (full width
job) I'm so glad the exhaust goes straight on, makes my life alot
easier! Think the throttle linkage is a bit different on mine so i'm
going to have to bodge that one some how! Thanks for the word of
encouragement anyway as ts a realistic propostion for the weekend
now!!

 

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David_LLAMA4x4

Guest

• Aug 11, 2004

• #4

"Dave Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "David_LLAMA4x4" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > "Dave Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Hi all (again)
> > >
> > > Just a note to find out if anyone had carried out the above
> > > conversion. It would appear that the engine mounts are the same and
> > > the it will go straight on the 'box, but i am still trying to work out
> > > whether the exhausts are the same or not as they look very similar!
> > >
> > > Also, has anyone got any tips for this conversion. I can see that its
> > > not going to be too difficult(!) but as this is my only road vehicle I
> > > want to get it done in as short a time as possible. Knowing my luck I
> > > will get the engine in no probs and find that i;ve got some small
> > > problem that holds me up for ages!
> > >
> > > Would be great to hear from someone that has already done this
> > > conv.....
> > >
> > > Cheers again
> > >
> > > Dave
> >
> > As long as you get a 200Tdi from a Defender then the conversion is as
easy
> > as taking one engine out and putting the other back in !!
> > All the mounts will line up and the TD exhaust will fit straight on to
the
> > Tdi - even the engine loom will plug straight into the multi plug and
will
> > work!
> > Just change the rad to a Tdi one with the intercooler built in and do up
all
> > the extra hoseclips and drive away!!
> >
> > Hope that puts your mind at ease.....
> >
> > David
> > LLAMA 4x4
> > www.llama4x4.co.uk
>
> Thanks for that. Just bought a new rad for the old TD so i;m going to
> keep that in place and put an intercooler kit in aswell (full width
> job) I'm so glad the exhaust goes straight on, makes my life alot
> easier! Think the throttle linkage is a bit different on mine so i'm
> going to have to bodge that one some how! Thanks for the word of
> encouragement anyway as ts a realistic propostion for the weekend
> now!!


If you are keeping the big TD rad you will almost certainly be able to run
with no fan at all!! I have just towed a 23' trailer up the Pyrenees with a
200 Defender and I only had to put the big Kenlowe on a couple of times! In
the UK I run with no cooling fan at all and have never overheated - with the
bigger rad you are leaving in place you will probably struggle to get any
heat out of the heater!!

For the throttle linkage just buy a throttle cable for a 200 Tdi Defender -
it will fit the existing pedal and obviously go straight onto the engine...

All in all no reason why a weekend won't see the job finished with ease....

David
LLAMA 4x4
www.llama4x4.co.uk

 

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David_LLAMA4x4

Guest

• Aug 11, 2004

• #5

"Dave Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi all (again)
>
> Just a note to find out if anyone had carried out the above
> conversion. It would appear that the engine mounts are the same and
> the it will go straight on the 'box, but i am still trying to work out
> whether the exhausts are the same or not as they look very similar!
>
> Also, has anyone got any tips for this conversion. I can see that its
> not going to be too difficult(!) but as this is my only road vehicle I
> want to get it done in as short a time as possible. Knowing my luck I
> will get the engine in no probs and find that i;ve got some small
> problem that holds me up for ages!
>
> Would be great to hear from someone that has already done this
> conv.....
>
> Cheers again
>
> Dave

As long as you get a 200Tdi from a Defender then the conversion is as easy
as taking one engine out and putting the other back in !!
All the mounts will line up and the TD exhaust will fit straight on to the
Tdi - even the engine loom will plug straight into the multi plug and will
work!
Just change the rad to a Tdi one with the intercooler built in and do up all
the extra hoseclips and drive away!!

Hope that puts your mind at ease.....

David
LLAMA 4x4
www.llama4x4.co.uk

 

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David_LLAMA4x4

Guest

• Aug 16, 2004

• #6

"Jason Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> Can a 200tdi be dropped into a series 3?
>
> Jason Hall
>
Yes, as far as the engine mounts / gearbox etc. Where you might struggle is
getting the rad/intercooler in without changing to a Defender front and you
will have to make up your own exhaust.....
Not a massive conversion to undertake....
Make sure you get Defender spec 200's not Disco or the job will start to get
bigger...

David
www.llama4x4.co.uk



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> "David_LLAMA4x4" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Dave Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you are keeping the big TD rad you will almost certainly be able
to
> > run
> > > > with no fan at all!! I have just towed a 23' trailer up the
Pyrenees
> > with a
> > > > 200 Defender and I only had to put the big Kenlowe on a couple of
> times!
> > In
> > > > the UK I run with no cooling fan at all and have never overheated -
> with
> > the
> > > > bigger rad you are leaving in place you will probably struggle to
get
> > any
> > > > heat out of the heater!!
> > > >
> > > > For the throttle linkage just buy a throttle cable for a 200 Tdi
> > Defender -
> > > > it will fit the existing pedal and obviously go straight onto the
> > engine...
> > > >
> > > > All in all no reason why a weekend won't see the job finished with
> > ease....
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > > LLAMA 4x4
> > > > www.llama4x4.co.uk
> > >
> > > Thanks again, the engines out and on the garage floor and have just
> > > changed the cam-belt (not as bad as i thought) but it hasnt started
> > > yet!! Then got to get the sump off to weld a rust hole up and might do
> > > the rear crank oil seal as a preventative measure.
> > >
> > > Do u rate the 200 then? This one kind of fell into my lap so i couldnt
> > > refuse really! Was lucky!
> > >
> > > I was fortunate enough to try my mates 90 with an intercooler kit on
> > > it the other day and was well inpressed. Need to save a bit more first
> > > though!!
> > >
> > > Dave
> >
> > Of all the readily available engine swaps I reckon that the 200 is the
> best
> > of them all - in practice as good as the 300 but a sinch to fit into any
> > 4cyl LR.
> > I chose it for my 2 110s deliberately - I particularly like the fact
> that
> > it has enough oomph for normal use, is fuel efficient ( I just got 26mpg
> to
> > Spain towing a 22' trailer ) and the fact that you can still fix the
> fanbelt
> > with a pair of stockings!
> >
> > It is perhaps the last enhine LR fitted that was genuinely
> > 'field-repairable' and yet was modern enough to offer reasonable
> > performance....
> >
> > David
> > www.llama4x4.co.uk
> >
> >
>
>

 

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Dave Reynolds

Guest

• Aug 11, 2004

• #7

"David_LLAMA4x4" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Dave Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hi all (again)
> >
> > Just a note to find out if anyone had carried out the above
> > conversion. It would appear that the engine mounts are the same and
> > the it will go straight on the 'box, but i am still trying to work out
> > whether the exhausts are the same or not as they look very similar!
> >
> > Also, has anyone got any tips for this conversion. I can see that its
> > not going to be too difficult(!) but as this is my only road vehicle I
> > want to get it done in as short a time as possible. Knowing my luck I
> > will get the engine in no probs and find that i;ve got some small
> > problem that holds me up for ages!
> >
> > Would be great to hear from someone that has already done this
> > conv.....
> >
> > Cheers again
> >
> > Dave
>
> As long as you get a 200Tdi from a Defender then the conversion is as easy
> as taking one engine out and putting the other back in !!
> All the mounts will line up and the TD exhaust will fit straight on to the
> Tdi - even the engine loom will plug straight into the multi plug and will
> work!
> Just change the rad to a Tdi one with the intercooler built in and do up all
> the extra hoseclips and drive away!!
>
> Hope that puts your mind at ease.....
>
> David
> LLAMA 4x4
> www.llama4x4.co.uk

Thanks for that. Just bought a new rad for the old TD so i;m going to
keep that in place and put an intercooler kit in aswell (full width
job) I'm so glad the exhaust goes straight on, makes my life alot
easier! Think the throttle linkage is a bit different on mine so i'm
going to have to bodge that one some how! Thanks for the word of
encouragement anyway as ts a realistic propostion for the weekend
now!!

 

D

Dave Reynolds

Guest

• Aug 15, 2004

• #8

>
>
> If you are keeping the big TD rad you will almost certainly be able to run
> with no fan at all!! I have just towed a 23' trailer up the Pyrenees with a
> 200 Defender and I only had to put the big Kenlowe on a couple of times! In
> the UK I run with no cooling fan at all and have never overheated - with the
> bigger rad you are leaving in place you will probably struggle to get any
> heat out of the heater!!
>
> For the throttle linkage just buy a throttle cable for a 200 Tdi Defender -
> it will fit the existing pedal and obviously go straight onto the engine...
>
> All in all no reason why a weekend won't see the job finished with ease....
>
> David
> LLAMA 4x4
> www.llama4x4.co.uk

Thanks again, the engines out and on the garage floor and have just
changed the cam-belt (not as bad as i thought) but it hasnt started
yet!! Then got to get the sump off to weld a rust hole up and might do
the rear crank oil seal as a preventative measure.

Do u rate the 200 then? This one kind of fell into my lap so i couldnt
refuse really! Was lucky!

I was fortunate enough to try my mates 90 with an intercooler kit on
it the other day and was well inpressed. Need to save a bit more first
though!!

Dave

 

D

Dave Reynolds

Guest

• Aug 18, 2004

• #9

"
> > >
> > > Of all the readily available engine swaps I reckon that the 200 is the
> best
> > > of them all - in practice as good as the 300 but a sinch to fit into any
> > > 4cyl LR.
> > > I chose it for my 2 110s deliberately - I particularly like the fact
> that
> > > it has enough oomph for normal use, is fuel efficient ( I just got 26mpg
> to
> > > Spain towing a 22' trailer ) and the fact that you can still fix the
> fanbelt
> > > with a pair of stockings!
> > >
> > > It is perhaps the last enhine LR fitted that was genuinely
> > > 'field-repairable' and yet was modern enough to offer reasonable
> > > performance....
> > >
> > > David
> > > www.llama4x4.co.uk
> > >
Cheers again for the info David, Just discovered an even bigger hole
in the sump that I need to repair so I will have to put off the
transfer date for a little while i think.

Have run out of things to do on it now. Just a few tiny jobs. I was
warned off taking the thing apart by several people "in the know". So
i've left as it is apart from the new cam-belt. Am certainly looking
forward to not being in 3rd and 4th all the way to work now,
especially with the intercooler fitted. Also looking forward to having
an extra 15 minutes in bed when I have to tow the trailler to an
event. A lorry passed me on the way to work this morning. Not happy.

And as for the stockings, well I guess your vehicles must have more
accesories than mine!

Thanks again, i'll let you know how I get on!

Dave

 

J

Jason Hall

Guest

• Aug 16, 2004

• #10

Can a 200tdi be dropped into a series 3?

Jason Hall

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"David_LLAMA4x4" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Dave Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > >
> > > If you are keeping the big TD rad you will almost certainly be able to
> run
> > > with no fan at all!! I have just towed a 23' trailer up the Pyrenees
> with a
> > > 200 Defender and I only had to put the big Kenlowe on a couple of
times!
> In
> > > the UK I run with no cooling fan at all and have never overheated -
with
> the
> > > bigger rad you are leaving in place you will probably struggle to get
> any
> > > heat out of the heater!!
> > >
> > > For the throttle linkage just buy a throttle cable for a 200 Tdi
> Defender -
> > > it will fit the existing pedal and obviously go straight onto the
> engine...
> > >
> > > All in all no reason why a weekend won't see the job finished with
> ease....
> > >
> > > David
> > > LLAMA 4x4
> > > www.llama4x4.co.uk
> >
> > Thanks again, the engines out and on the garage floor and have just
> > changed the cam-belt (not as bad as i thought) but it hasnt started
> > yet!! Then got to get the sump off to weld a rust hole up and might do
> > the rear crank oil seal as a preventative measure.
> >
> > Do u rate the 200 then? This one kind of fell into my lap so i couldnt
> > refuse really! Was lucky!
> >
> > I was fortunate enough to try my mates 90 with an intercooler kit on
> > it the other day and was well inpressed. Need to save a bit more first
> > though!!
> >
> > Dave
>
> Of all the readily available engine swaps I reckon that the 200 is the
best
> of them all - in practice as good as the 300 but a sinch to fit into any
> 4cyl LR.
> I chose it for my 2 110s deliberately - I particularly like the fact
that
> it has enough oomph for normal use, is fuel efficient ( I just got 26mpg
to
> Spain towing a 22' trailer ) and the fact that you can still fix the
fanbelt
> with a pair of stockings!
>
> It is perhaps the last enhine LR fitted that was genuinely
> 'field-repairable' and yet was modern enough to offer reasonable
> performance....
>
> David
> www.llama4x4.co.uk
>
>

 

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David_LLAMA4x4

Guest

• Aug 15, 2004

• #11

"Dave Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
> > If you are keeping the big TD rad you will almost certainly be able to
run
> > with no fan at all!! I have just towed a 23' trailer up the Pyrenees
with a
> > 200 Defender and I only had to put the big Kenlowe on a couple of times!
In
> > the UK I run with no cooling fan at all and have never overheated - with
the
> > bigger rad you are leaving in place you will probably struggle to get
any
> > heat out of the heater!!
> >
> > For the throttle linkage just buy a throttle cable for a 200 Tdi
Defender -
> > it will fit the existing pedal and obviously go straight onto the
engine...
> >
> > All in all no reason why a weekend won't see the job finished with
ease....
> >
> > David
> > LLAMA 4x4
> > www.llama4x4.co.uk
>
> Thanks again, the engines out and on the garage floor and have just
> changed the cam-belt (not as bad as i thought) but it hasnt started
> yet!! Then got to get the sump off to weld a rust hole up and might do
> the rear crank oil seal as a preventative measure.
>
> Do u rate the 200 then? This one kind of fell into my lap so i couldnt
> refuse really! Was lucky!
>
> I was fortunate enough to try my mates 90 with an intercooler kit on
> it the other day and was well inpressed. Need to save a bit more first
> though!!
>
> Dave

Of all the readily available engine swaps I reckon that the 200 is the best
of them all - in practice as good as the 300 but a sinch to fit into any
4cyl LR.
I chose it for my 2 110s deliberately - I particularly like the fact that
it has enough oomph for normal use, is fuel efficient ( I just got 26mpg to
Spain towing a 22' trailer ) and the fact that you can still fix the fanbelt
with a pair of stockings!

It is perhaps the last enhine LR fitted that was genuinely
'field-repairable' and yet was modern enough to offer reasonable
performance....

David
www.llama4x4.co.uk

 

D

David_LLAMA4x4

Guest

• Aug 16, 2004

• #12

"Jason Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> Can a 200tdi be dropped into a series 3?
>
> Jason Hall
>
Yes, as far as the engine mounts / gearbox etc. Where you might struggle is
getting the rad/intercooler in without changing to a Defender front and you
will have to make up your own exhaust.....
Not a massive conversion to undertake....
Make sure you get Defender spec 200's not Disco or the job will start to get
bigger...

David
www.llama4x4.co.uk



> --
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jason.hall8/Sites.html
> "David_LLAMA4x4" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Dave Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you are keeping the big TD rad you will almost certainly be able
to
> > run
> > > > with no fan at all!! I have just towed a 23' trailer up the
Pyrenees
> > with a
> > > > 200 Defender and I only had to put the big Kenlowe on a couple of
> times!
> > In
> > > > the UK I run with no cooling fan at all and have never overheated -
> with
> > the
> > > > bigger rad you are leaving in place you will probably struggle to
get
> > any
> > > > heat out of the heater!!
> > > >
> > > > For the throttle linkage just buy a throttle cable for a 200 Tdi
> > Defender -
> > > > it will fit the existing pedal and obviously go straight onto the
> > engine...
> > > >
> > > > All in all no reason why a weekend won't see the job finished with
> > ease....
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > > LLAMA 4x4
> > > > www.llama4x4.co.uk
> > >
> > > Thanks again, the engines out and on the garage floor and have just
> > > changed the cam-belt (not as bad as i thought) but it hasnt started
> > > yet!! Then got to get the sump off to weld a rust hole up and might do
> > > the rear crank oil seal as a preventative measure.
> > >
> > > Do u rate the 200 then? This one kind of fell into my lap so i couldnt
> > > refuse really! Was lucky!
> > >
> > > I was fortunate enough to try my mates 90 with an intercooler kit on
> > > it the other day and was well inpressed. Need to save a bit more first
> > > though!!
> > >
> > > Dave
> >
> > Of all the readily available engine swaps I reckon that the 200 is the
> best
> > of them all - in practice as good as the 300 but a sinch to fit into any
> > 4cyl LR.
> > I chose it for my 2 110s deliberately - I particularly like the fact
> that
> > it has enough oomph for normal use, is fuel efficient ( I just got 26mpg
> to
> > Spain towing a 22' trailer ) and the fact that you can still fix the
> fanbelt
> > with a pair of stockings!
> >
> > It is perhaps the last enhine LR fitted that was genuinely
> > 'field-repairable' and yet was modern enough to offer reasonable
> > performance....
> >
> > David
> > www.llama4x4.co.uk
> >
> >
>
>

 

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Dave Reynolds

Guest

• Aug 18, 2004

• #13

"
> > >
> > > Of all the readily available engine swaps I reckon that the 200 is the
> best
> > > of them all - in practice as good as the 300 but a sinch to fit into any
> > > 4cyl LR.
> > > I chose it for my 2 110s deliberately - I particularly like the fact
> that
> > > it has enough oomph for normal use, is fuel efficient ( I just got 26mpg
> to
> > > Spain towing a 22' trailer ) and the fact that you can still fix the
> fanbelt
> > > with a pair of stockings!
> > >
> > > It is perhaps the last enhine LR fitted that was genuinely
> > > 'field-repairable' and yet was modern enough to offer reasonable
> > > performance....
> > >
> > > David
> > > www.llama4x4.co.uk
> > >
Cheers again for the info David, Just discovered an even bigger hole
in the sump that I need to repair so I will have to put off the
transfer date for a little while i think.

Have run out of things to do on it now. Just a few tiny jobs. I was
warned off taking the thing apart by several people "in the know". So
i've left as it is apart from the new cam-belt. Am certainly looking
forward to not being in 3rd and 4th all the way to work now,
especially with the intercooler fitted. Also looking forward to having
an extra 15 minutes in bed when I have to tow the trailler to an
event. A lorry passed me on the way to work this morning. Not happy.

And as for the stockings, well I guess your vehicles must have more
accesories than mine!

Thanks again, i'll let you know how I get on!

Dave