Laning in a Free-Lander, the aftermath...

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McBad

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Caught an interlude between the gales and rain to drive Sarn Helen, coming
South from Forest Lodge. Lots of puddles and surface water but the lane has
a good hard base so early sections to the bridge were no problem, as
expected. Views over surrounding hills and valleys excellent in winter
sunshine. Didn't see the red kites that I've seen before on this section.

After the bridge I went up the rocky section of track towards the top gate
first, stopping half way (there is a firm patch of grass on the western side
where there is a gate into a field) to see if the following Free-Lander was
getting up OK. It was - quite impressed.

The next section has some minor steps and biggish rocks and is steep, it was
also flowing with water this afternoon. The Free Lander got about half way
up this, to just before the steepest bit, and was stopped by a boulder which
the wheel could not step up over. We got out and shuffled some rocks around
and then noticed a very strong smell of dead fish, eggs, sulphur and
rubber...

Following this Jamie found that he could not engage any gear in the
Free-Lander; forwards or reverse. Suddenly this was starting to look like a
long and difficult afternoons' recovery, probably to be followed by some
expensive garage work! I went up to the top and turned the 90 to come back
down the hill nose-first, plan being to attach a tow rope and roll him
backwards down the hill in neutral using the 90 as a brake. Eventually this
would have brought some difficulties because at the foot of the hill I would
have needed to get past him and hopefully turn him round, however there was
no way we could tow up hill with the Free Lander clearly struggling before
the most awkward section...

Turning the 90 and coming back took about 15 minutes by which time Jamie
found that things had cooled down enough for him to be able to engage
reverse. This allowed him to back down to the grassy section and turn round
before descending to the foot of the hill in first gear. He found that
whenever he attempted to engage hill descent control the engine just stalled
dead. Still a bad smell in the air...

Two well prepared suzukis and an orange 110 turned up during the recovery,
and stayed until we got to the foot of the hill to ensure that we got off
the difficult bit ok. Thanks guys.

We returned the way we'd come. Back on the road the Free-Lander seemed to
behave as normal although the smell lingered...

I was quite impressed by how far the Free Lander got and I think in dry
conditions it would have got further, however I don't think I'll be buying
one. Pity it doesn't have a low box. Any ideas why HDC wouldn't engage?

Cheers,

M.






 
On or around Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:03:02 -0000, "McBad"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>I was quite impressed by how far the Free Lander got and I think in dry
>conditions it would have got further, however I don't think I'll be buying
>one. Pity it doesn't have a low box. Any ideas why HDC wouldn't engage?



's broken.

seriously, though... is it a diesel or petrol one? the smells sound a bit
like a damaged CAT...

otherwise, dunno. cooked clutch, maybe? HDC should still work unless it's
got into some kind of non-functional upset mode in the electronics.
--
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"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:eek:[email protected]...
> On or around Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:03:02 -0000, "McBad"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >I was quite impressed by how far the Free Lander got and I think in dry
> >conditions it would have got further, however I don't think I'll be

buying
> >one. Pity it doesn't have a low box. Any ideas why HDC wouldn't engage?

>
>
> 's broken.
>
> seriously, though... is it a diesel or petrol one? the smells sound a bit
> like a damaged CAT...
>
> otherwise, dunno. cooked clutch, maybe? HDC should still work unless

it's
> got into some kind of non-functional upset mode in the electronics.
> --


It's a TD4. (Do diesels have a CAT?) Our feeling was cooked clutch but it
didn't really explain the HDC problem.

M.


 
> CAT's only on petrols.
> Maybe the clutch got too hot and the electronics didn't like it, hence
> HDC problem. may reset itself or may need some jiggery pokery, I don't
> know much about that.
>
>
> Regards.
> Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)


Mark,
Sorry, but have to disagree. According to the Freelander Workshop Manual
(RAVE CD) the Td4 does have a CAT.
Brom.


 
So Austin Shackles was, like

>>Any ideas why HDC
>> wouldn't engage?


> HDC should still work
> unless it's got into some kind of non-functional upset mode in the
> electronics.


If the HDC on the Freebie is the same as on the Disco II, then it will cut
out if used too long or too severely - some overheat sensor, I imagine. One
of the reasons I don't trust 'em. If you tried using HDC on a long steep
descent (and with the absence of low range (FL) or CDL (D2) you would need
to) then half way down it might just decide it's had enough and let you roll
all the way to the bottom under gravity. It will reset when it has all
cooled down.

Don't know if this was the case for the OP, but it might explain why the HDC
refused to play.


--

Rich

Pas d'elle yeux Rhone que nous


 

"Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> So Austin Shackles was, like
>
> >>Any ideas why HDC
> >> wouldn't engage?

>
> > HDC should still work
> > unless it's got into some kind of non-functional upset mode in the
> > electronics.

>
> If the HDC on the Freebie is the same as on the Disco II, then it will cut
> out if used too long or too severely - some overheat sensor, I imagine.

One
> of the reasons I don't trust 'em. If you tried using HDC on a long steep
> descent (and with the absence of low range (FL) or CDL (D2) you would need
> to) then half way down it might just decide it's had enough and let you

roll
> all the way to the bottom under gravity. It will reset when it has all
> cooled down.
>
> Don't know if this was the case for the OP, but it might explain why the

HDC
> refused to play.
>
>
> --
>
> Rich
>
> Pas d'elle yeux Rhone que nous
>
>


I wonder what would happen if you engaged HDC whilst going UP hill, say by
accident, then used the accelarator heavily in an attempt to get up a steep
slope? Is it possible to engage HDC going up hill? I'll ask about it on
Monday but I wonder if HDC had been engaged whilst the f/l was going up the
slope...

M.


 
McBad wrote:

e que nous
>>
>>

>
> I wonder what would happen if you engaged HDC whilst going UP hill, say by
> accident, then used the accelarator heavily in an attempt to get up a
> steep
> slope? Is it possible to engage HDC going up hill? I'll ask about it on
> Monday but I wonder if HDC had been engaged whilst the f/l was going up
> the slope...


Assuming the same setup as the D2 then all that will happen is that the HDC
will be taken offline while you're accelerating.

P.
 
On or around Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:45:19 -0000, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>So Austin Shackles was, like
>
>>>Any ideas why HDC
>>> wouldn't engage?

>
>> HDC should still work
>> unless it's got into some kind of non-functional upset mode in the
>> electronics.

>
>If the HDC on the Freebie is the same as on the Disco II, then it will cut
>out if used too long or too severely - some overheat sensor, I imagine. One
>of the reasons I don't trust 'em. If you tried using HDC on a long steep
>descent (and with the absence of low range (FL) or CDL (D2) you would need
>to) then half way down it might just decide it's had enough and let you roll
>all the way to the bottom under gravity. It will reset when it has all
>cooled down.
>
>Don't know if this was the case for the OP, but it might explain why the HDC
>refused to play.


I'd like to hope that the default failure mode is to put the brakes on...
dunno if it is, but I'd like to hope that it is...

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then
something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination -
we learned to talk." Pink Floyd (1994)
 
wifes Td4 is on it's third clutch after 'cooking' 2 on fairly gentle, but
slippy hills (grass & mud) whilst shunting a caravan about (1500Kg's).

Stew

--
'Jasmine', my lovely 1990 LR 90 with 'bits' on! - more off road than on!
2002 Freeloader Td4 ES -The wifes towing machine - sees wax regularly and is
shy of mud!
Please visit http://www.EMORC.co.uk (East Mids Off Road Club)

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"McBad" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Caught an interlude between the gales and rain to drive Sarn Helen, coming
> South from Forest Lodge. Lots of puddles and surface water but the lane

has
> a good hard base so early sections to the bridge were no problem, as
> expected. Views over surrounding hills and valleys excellent in winter
> sunshine. Didn't see the red kites that I've seen before on this section.
>
> After the bridge I went up the rocky section of track towards the top gate
> first, stopping half way (there is a firm patch of grass on the western

side
> where there is a gate into a field) to see if the following Free-Lander

was
> getting up OK. It was - quite impressed.
>
> The next section has some minor steps and biggish rocks and is steep, it

was
> also flowing with water this afternoon. The Free Lander got about half

way
> up this, to just before the steepest bit, and was stopped by a boulder

which
> the wheel could not step up over. We got out and shuffled some rocks

around
> and then noticed a very strong smell of dead fish, eggs, sulphur and
> rubber...
>
> Following this Jamie found that he could not engage any gear in the
> Free-Lander; forwards or reverse. Suddenly this was starting to look like

a
> long and difficult afternoons' recovery, probably to be followed by some
> expensive garage work! I went up to the top and turned the 90 to come

back
> down the hill nose-first, plan being to attach a tow rope and roll him
> backwards down the hill in neutral using the 90 as a brake. Eventually

this
> would have brought some difficulties because at the foot of the hill I

would
> have needed to get past him and hopefully turn him round, however there

was
> no way we could tow up hill with the Free Lander clearly struggling before
> the most awkward section...
>
> Turning the 90 and coming back took about 15 minutes by which time Jamie
> found that things had cooled down enough for him to be able to engage
> reverse. This allowed him to back down to the grassy section and turn

round
> before descending to the foot of the hill in first gear. He found that
> whenever he attempted to engage hill descent control the engine just

stalled
> dead. Still a bad smell in the air...
>
> Two well prepared suzukis and an orange 110 turned up during the recovery,
> and stayed until we got to the foot of the hill to ensure that we got off
> the difficult bit ok. Thanks guys.
>
> We returned the way we'd come. Back on the road the Free-Lander seemed to
> behave as normal although the smell lingered...
>
> I was quite impressed by how far the Free Lander got and I think in dry
> conditions it would have got further, however I don't think I'll be buying
> one. Pity it doesn't have a low box. Any ideas why HDC wouldn't engage?
>
> Cheers,
>
> M.
>
>
>
>
>
>



 

"90ninety" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> wifes Td4 is on it's third clutch after 'cooking' 2 on fairly gentle, but
> slippy hills (grass & mud) whilst shunting a caravan about (1500Kg's).


The result of lack of low box :(


 

"Mr Jolly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "90ninety" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > wifes Td4 is on it's third clutch after 'cooking' 2 on fairly gentle,

but
> > slippy hills (grass & mud) whilst shunting a caravan about (1500Kg's).

>
> The result of lack of low box :(
>
>


Mmm, that was our final conclusion. It certainly smelt cooked by the time
we'd finished!

M


 
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