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I`ve seen adverts for companies selling Discoveries imported from Japan.
They seem to be of the spec. I`m looking for at a good price. What are the
pro`s & con`s of such vehicles?


 
On or around Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:28:33 GMT, "Simes"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>I`ve seen adverts for companies selling Discoveries imported from Japan.
>They seem to be of the spec. I`m looking for at a good price. What are the
>pro`s & con`s of such vehicles?
>


the instructions will be in japanese...

seriously, though...

you might find that some parts are distinct and difficult to get. Is Japan
RHD or LHD? I vaguely recall it being RHD.

and it might have Honda badges on it, which would at least serve to puzzle
the locals - ISTR they sold 'em as Honda summat-or-other as part of the
honda/rover deal.

apart from that, all the normal discovery caveats would no doubt apply.
 
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:44:22 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On or around Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:28:33 GMT, "Simes"
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>I`ve seen adverts for companies selling Discoveries imported from Japan.
>>They seem to be of the spec. I`m looking for at a good price. What are the
>>pro`s & con`s of such vehicles?
>>

>
>the instructions will be in japanese...
>
>seriously, though...
>
>you might find that some parts are distinct and difficult to get. Is Japan
>RHD or LHD? I vaguely recall it being RHD.
>
>and it might have Honda badges on it, which would at least serve to puzzle
>the locals - ISTR they sold 'em as Honda summat-or-other as part of the
>honda/rover deal.
>
>apart from that, all the normal discovery caveats would no doubt apply.


It won't have foglights...

It may have funny mirrors on the wings...

Check what engine is in it, and the exact nature of fitted kit. ISTR
that the radios are on different frequencies or summat such. ECU
could be mapped differently for local fuel and driving conditions.

If it's the old Discovery, check how cheap it really is. The main
dealers are desperate to get shot of them at the moment with the new
model coming in and production long since stopped. If you print out
the import deal your main dealer may amaze you....




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'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
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"Tim Hobbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:p[email protected]...
> If it's the old Discovery, check how cheap it really is. The main
> dealers are desperate to get shot of them at the moment with the new
> model coming in and production long since stopped. If you print out
> the import deal your main dealer may amaze you....


And it won't have rust....

due to the shortage of oxygen in them there climes.

Lee D


 
"Simes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I`ve seen adverts for companies selling Discoveries imported from Japan.
> They seem to be of the spec. I`m looking for at a good price. What are the
> pro`s & con`s of such vehicles?
>
>

Will it be similar to the grey import MX5s and other Japanese cars in the
late 90's.
Either TopGear or 5thGear found out that most of these had infact been
stolen from Japan and imported via dodgy middle east crime gangs.
There was an increasing number of cars being tracked down by the Japanese
police and insurance companies by their chassis and part numbers.

Probably completely unlinked, but I'm always cautious of _very_ good deals.
David

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Simes wrote:
> I`ve seen adverts for companies selling Discoveries imported from Japan.
> They seem to be of the spec. I`m looking for at a good price. What are the
> pro`s & con`s of such vehicles?


Based on the NZ experience with used vehicles from Japan, it will have
*never* been serviced (or maybe once in it's life) and there's a
reasonable chance that the odometer will have been tampered with.

For higher end used stuff like BMW, Disco, Rangie, Ferrari, Porsche and
so on the ones imported ex-Singapore seem to be much more honest and
better maintained.


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"Simes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I`ve seen adverts for companies selling Discoveries imported from Japan.
> They seem to be of the spec. I`m looking for at a good price. What are the
> pro`s & con`s of such vehicles?
>
>


I would not hesitate at all, I bought this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2489732556&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITfrom from
here - http://www.car-equality.co.uk/ & the service is top notch (really top notch for the kind of place
it is!!!) That Trooper is 12 years old & the photos don't show just how clean & tidy it is. Not a single
bit of rust, interior is superb due to no **** from the roads & constant horrible damp miserable weather.

They have some Disco's in that are mint in every way, the Japs really look after their carsl Only reason
for my selling it is a new Subaru WRX & an old Range Rover !

The radio doesn't work after 90 on Fm so you can only get radio 2, but a freq extender costs £10 & works
fine, don't worry about tyres, foglights or anything else required for the UK market as the SV test takes
care of that. Without that they cannot be used on UK roads.

All in all, you can get a 10 year old car that will look 3 years old & remember, no towing in Japan, so
no towbars or shagged suspension etc!

Go for it!

Nige


 
In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:28:33 GMT, "Simes"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >I`ve seen adverts for companies selling Discoveries imported from Japan.
> >They seem to be of the spec. I`m looking for at a good price. What are the
> >pro`s & con`s of such vehicles?
> >

>
> the instructions will be in japanese...
>
> seriously, though...
>
> you might find that some parts are distinct and difficult to get. Is Japan
> RHD or LHD? I vaguely recall it being RHD.
>


RHD

> and it might have Honda badges on it, which would at least serve to puzzle
> the locals - ISTR they sold 'em as Honda summat-or-other as part of the
> honda/rover deal.
>


They were going to be sold as Honda Crossroad's - never launched
as BMW came along and worked their magic....... if one *did* turn up
with Honda badging, it would certainly be rare!

> apart from that, all the normal discovery caveats would no doubt apply.


Indeed - in the most part Jap and UK specs are very similar (hence the
"Other" 4x4 imports) - worth making sure it's not stolen as with the
other grey imports though.

Richard

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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:28:33 GMT, "Simes" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I`ve seen adverts for companies selling Discoveries imported from Japan.
>They seem to be of the spec. I`m looking for at a good price. What are the
>pro`s & con`s of such vehicles?
>


Wait up...

So a car, produced in the UK, shipped to Japan, and then shipped back,
including al the relevent paperwork, is cheaper than a regular one ???
How's that work, then ?

Peter R.

 
On or around Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:41:36 GMT, Peter R. <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:28:33 GMT, "Simes" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>I`ve seen adverts for companies selling Discoveries imported from Japan.
>>They seem to be of the spec. I`m looking for at a good price. What are the
>>pro`s & con`s of such vehicles?
>>

>
>Wait up...
>
>So a car, produced in the UK, shipped to Japan, and then shipped back,
>including al the relevent paperwork, is cheaper than a regular one ???
>How's that work, then ?


Politics.

 
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:41:36 GMT, Peter R. <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:28:33 GMT, "Simes" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>I`ve seen adverts for companies selling Discoveries imported from Japan.
>>They seem to be of the spec. I`m looking for at a good price. What are the
>>pro`s & con`s of such vehicles?
>>

>
>Wait up...
>
>So a car, produced in the UK, shipped to Japan, and then shipped back,
>including al the relevent paperwork, is cheaper than a regular one ???
>How's that work, then ?
>
>Peter R.


Very common, and it isn't limited to cars. Hence the term 'grey
import' for so many things - computers, white goods, tyres, medicines
etc.

Things are sold at different prices in different markets, and
depending on local tax regimes and incumbent exchange rates. Imports
from the US are pretty good at the moment, for example.


--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70

My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com
 

"Peter R." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:28:33 GMT, "Simes" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >I`ve seen adverts for companies selling Discoveries imported from Japan.
> >They seem to be of the spec. I`m looking for at a good price. What are

the
> >pro`s & con`s of such vehicles?
> >

>
> Wait up...
>
> So a car, produced in the UK, shipped to Japan, and then shipped back,
> including al the relevent paperwork, is cheaper than a regular one ???
> How's that work, then ?
>
> Peter R.
>

The Japanese MOT laws mean that cars there are virtually worthless after 7
years since all safety related features (seat belts, airbags etc etc) must
be replaced for the car to pass costing £3000+. This means that nearly all
cars are traded in and sold at auction to the other RHD countries-NZ, UK,
Eire , Aus, India etc...This is the reason why the Pajero imports you see
are all over 7 years old!

The Japanese Governments reasoning behind this is that Japanese domestic new
car sales are kept continuosly high and there is no 'waste problem' as all
the scrappers are exported! On the plus side there is a continuous supply of
cheap high spec, good condition cars to the UK at much less the than the UK
going rate for similar cars. This has seriously undermined certain
manufactures cars sales- namely Mitsubishi- who won't support the imported
Pajero/Shogun (but there are plenty of independent garages who will). Indeed
Toyota Aus. got the Australian goverment to ban imports of certain models in
2003 (Hilux Surf/4Runner) due to suffering domestic new car sales.

I very much doubt that many imports from Japan are stolen due to the above
stated reason as to why they are exported. Be wary of imported cars from
other non European countries though- especially the expensive models.

A guy I know imports 600 cars a month from Japan- but I've never seen a UK
car in his car compound......coals to Newcastle??

Nevillef


 
On or around Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:51:30 GMT, "nevillef"
<F_CK@FF_SPAMMERS.COM> enlightened us thusly:

>The Japanese MOT laws mean that cars there are virtually worthless after 7
>years since all safety related features (seat belts, airbags etc etc) must
>be replaced for the car to pass costing £3000+. This means that nearly all
>cars are traded in and sold at auction to the other RHD countries-NZ, UK,
>Eire , Aus, India etc...This is the reason why the Pajero imports you see
>are all over 7 years old!


wot a skewed, warped system.

 

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:51:30 GMT, "nevillef"
> <F_CK@FF_SPAMMERS.COM> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >The Japanese MOT laws mean that cars there are virtually worthless after 7
> >years since all safety related features (seat belts, airbags etc etc) must
> >be replaced for the car to pass costing £3000+. This means that nearly all
> >cars are traded in and sold at auction to the other RHD countries-NZ, UK,
> >Eire , Aus, India etc...This is the reason why the Pajero imports you see
> >are all over 7 years old!

>
> wot a skewed, warped system.
>


Aye, crazy! Just sold my Imported Trooper today though! Roll on British Leyland build quality for me
now!!!!

Am I right in thinking a lot of the switchgear in an 89 RRC is right outof the Montego parts bin?

Ta

Nige


 
On Saturday, in article
<[email protected]>
[email protected] "Austin Shackles" wrote:

> On or around Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:51:30 GMT, "nevillef"
> <F_CK@FF_SPAMMERS.COM> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >The Japanese MOT laws mean that cars there are virtually worthless after 7
> >years since all safety related features (seat belts, airbags etc etc) must
> >be replaced for the car to pass costing £3000+. This means that nearly all
> >cars are traded in and sold at auction to the other RHD countries-NZ, UK,
> >Eire , Aus, India etc...This is the reason why the Pajero imports you see
> >are all over 7 years old!

>
> wot a skewed, warped system.


It depends a little what they class as needing replacement, but it
doesn't seem a crazy principle. Do air bags have a time limit? A lot
of pyrotechnics do, because they can't really be tested.But everything
at once seems a silly way of going about it.

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Nige wrote:

> Am I right in thinking a lot of the switchgear in an 89 RRC is right
> outof the Montego parts bin?


Not really - the Montego is a bit modern and exotic - most of the car
(including the door handles) is from the older Morris Marina.
 

"Simon Atkinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Nige wrote:
>
> > Am I right in thinking a lot of the switchgear in an 89 RRC is right
> > outof the Montego parts bin?

>
> Not really - the Montego is a bit modern and exotic - most of the car
> (including the door handles) is from the older Morris Marina.


I used to work on the Mongtego (we nicknamed them that) & I'm sure the indicator stalk & switches &
buttons etc are right out of a 85-87 Mongtego! The door handle are deffo Marina (we had 3 of those bags
of crud, me ad never shut up about the trunnions!!!!)

Nige


 
Nige wrote:

>
> "Simon Atkinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Nige wrote:
> >
> > > Am I right in thinking a lot of the switchgear in an 89 RRC is
> > > right outof the Montego parts bin?

> >
> > Not really - the Montego is a bit modern and exotic - most of the
> > car (including the door handles) is from the older Morris Marina.

>
> I used to work on the Mongtego (we nicknamed them that) & I'm sure
> the indicator stalk & switches & buttons etc are right out of a 85-87
> Mongtego! The door handle are deffo Marina (we had 3 of those bags of
> crud, me ad never shut up about the trunnions!!!!)


Moggy Minor parts weren't they ;-)
 
On or around 19 Sep 2004 13:39:02 GMT, "Simon Atkinson" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Nige wrote:
>
>>
>> "Simon Atkinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > Nige wrote:
>> >
>> > > Am I right in thinking a lot of the switchgear in an 89 RRC is
>> > > right outof the Montego parts bin?
>> >
>> > Not really - the Montego is a bit modern and exotic - most of the
>> > car (including the door handles) is from the older Morris Marina.

>>
>> I used to work on the Mongtego (we nicknamed them that) & I'm sure
>> the indicator stalk & switches & buttons etc are right out of a 85-87
>> Mongtego! The door handle are deffo Marina (we had 3 of those bags of
>> crud, me ad never shut up about the trunnions!!!!)

>
>Moggy Minor parts weren't they ;-)


nope. or not entirely. I had a marina to which someone had fitted a moggy
front leg, and it was about 2.5" shorter, which led to it sitting crooked
and wearing the tyre slightly oddly.

 
David G. Bell wrote:
> On Saturday, in article
> <[email protected]>
> [email protected] "Austin Shackles" wrote:
>
>
>>On or around Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:51:30 GMT, "nevillef"
>><F_CK@FF_SPAMMERS.COM> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>
>>>The Japanese MOT laws mean that cars there are virtually worthless after 7
>>>years since all safety related features (seat belts, airbags etc etc) must
>>>be replaced for the car to pass costing £3000+. This means that nearly all
>>>cars are traded in and sold at auction to the other RHD countries-NZ, UK,
>>>Eire , Aus, India etc...This is the reason why the Pajero imports you see
>>>are all over 7 years old!

>>
>>wot a skewed, warped system.

>
>
> It depends a little what they class as needing replacement, but it
> doesn't seem a crazy principle. Do air bags have a time limit? A lot
> of pyrotechnics do, because they can't really be tested.But everything
> at once seems a silly way of going about it.
>

While working at the Rover Group a few years ago I found out...

Airbags etc have a lifespan of 10 years, It is specified on the service
schedules for Rover/Land Rover vehicles "Replace airbags/rotary couplers
after 10 years regardless of mileage covered".

Also IIRC, vehicles destined for the Japanese market were never
under-body waxed to the same extent that vehicles for the home/european
market were as the Japanese don't use salt on their roads during winter.

HTH

Bob
 
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