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I've owned this, my first Rangie must be for about a month or so now, and
the futher I dig the more rust I find, esp. in the sill panels and I'm
guessing this is normal, Ive had to replace one of the body rubber mounting
points. Speaking of the body, I know that Rangies are supposed to be fairly
'free' with their body roll, but how free is free??? I have taken the
complete A frame out from under the car and am wondering whether or not that
is going to contribute much to body roll. Is the A frame meant to stop the
diff from twisting? or will the suspension arms take care of that? I hope
to have her on the road within the next 3 or 4 weeks..did I mention that I
hate rust......


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Don't even think about it!

The A-frame provides lateral restraint to the rear axle. Without it
you'll be lucky to get round the first corner without a catastrophe. It
has nothing to do with controlling body roll. Others will be along later
to tell you about safety, lack of insurance etc..

As for body roll - don't worry. It's very much a perception thing - once
you're used to it your driving style will soon adapt to accomodate the
(few) downsides.

john smith wrote:
> I've owned this, my first Rangie must be for about a month or so now, and
> the futher I dig the more rust I find, esp. in the sill panels and I'm
> guessing this is normal, Ive had to replace one of the body rubber mounting
> points. Speaking of the body, I know that Rangies are supposed to be fairly
> 'free' with their body roll, but how free is free??? I have taken the
> complete A frame out from under the car and am wondering whether or not that
> is going to contribute much to body roll. Is the A frame meant to stop the
> diff from twisting? or will the suspension arms take care of that?

 
Don't even think about it!

The A-frame provides lateral restraint to the rear axle. It also (along
with the radius arms) resists the driving and braking torques. Without
it you'll be lucky to get round the first corner without a catastrophe.
It has nothing to do with controlling body roll. Others will be along
later to tell you about safety, lack of insurance etc..

As for body roll - don't worry. It's very much a perception thing - once
you're used to it your driving style will soon adapt to accomodate the
(few) downsides.


john smith wrote:
> I've owned this, my first Rangie must be for about a month or so now, and
> the futher I dig the more rust I find, esp. in the sill panels and I'm
> guessing this is normal, Ive had to replace one of the body rubber mounting
> points. Speaking of the body, I know that Rangies are supposed to be fairly
> 'free' with their body roll, but how free is free??? I have taken the
> complete A frame out from under the car and am wondering whether or not that
> is going to contribute much to body roll. Is the A frame meant to stop the
> diff from twisting? or will the suspension arms take care of that?

 
In message <[email protected]>, Dougal
<DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk@?.?.invalid> writes
>Don't even think about it!
>
>The A-frame provides lateral restraint to the rear axle. Without it
>you'll be lucky to get round the first corner without a catastrophe. It
>has nothing to do with controlling body roll. Others will be along
>later to tell you about safety, lack of insurance etc..
>

One word says it all - SCARY :) If you remove the A frame the best way
to reduce future body roll would be to remove the wheels as well!!!

More seriously, you can remove the load leveller from that area and
replace the road springs with heavy duty ones which will make a
difference. Putting some decent shocks on may help - they won't reduce
the roll, just control it better.
--
AndyG
 

"john smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've owned this, my first Rangie must be for about a month or so now, and
> the futher I dig the more rust I find, esp. in the sill panels and I'm
> guessing this is normal, Ive had to replace one of the body rubber
mounting
> points. Speaking of the body, I know that Rangies are supposed to be
fairly
> 'free' with their body roll, but how free is free??? I have taken the
> complete A frame out from under the car and am wondering whether or not
that
> is going to contribute much to body roll. Is the A frame meant to stop the
> diff from twisting? or will the suspension arms take care of that? I
hope
> to have her on the road within the next 3 or 4 weeks..did I mention that I
> hate rust......
>
>

put the a frame back on now! The axle will move side ways when conering,
and will cause the diff to nose down when driving, leading to the prop uj's
binding, shearing the prop and then you discover how rusty the floor is as
the prop flails about at speed..... The suspension arms at the back are
only connected to the axle at a single point, unlike the front where they
connect to the axle at 2 points.

While the A frame is out, I would rebush it, because sods law states if you
don't, the job will need doing for the MOT.

You dont say if yours has had anti roll bars fitted, if it has, I would also
suspect the anti roll bar bushes

If you have a lot of body roll, IMHO I would be looking at rebushing the
whole of the suspension system, new springs and new shocks.

--
Simon Isaacs

Peterborough 4x4 Club Vice Chairman, Newsletter Editor and Webmaster (how
much more....)
3.5V8 100" Hybrid, now LPG converted
Part owner of 1976 S3 LWT, currently under restoration
Suzuki SJ410 (Girlfriend's) 3" lift kit fitted, body
shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery (the Pug 106 is dead, long live the Pug)

Peterborough 4x4 Club http://www.peterborough4x4.co.uk


 

> I've owned this, my first Rangie must be for about a month or so now, and
> the futher I dig the more rust I find, esp. in the sill panels and I'm
> guessing this is normal, Ive had to replace one of the body rubber
mounting
> points. Speaking of the body, I know that Rangies are supposed to be
fairly
> 'free' with their body roll, but how free is free??? I have taken the
> complete A frame out from under the car and am wondering whether or not
that
> is going to contribute much to body roll. Is the A frame meant to stop the
> diff from twisting? or will the suspension arms take care of that? I
hope
> to have her on the road within the next 3 or 4 weeks..did I mention that I
> hate rust......
>
Put it back, now!


 
Thanks everyone for your prompt replies....I feel pretty stupid!!! I will
be rebushing the A frame and putting it back in ASAP, I didn't mention that
I'm not actually driving it on the road at the moment, it's in the back yard
having rust cut and replacing/repairing just about everything from the seat
springs to the...A frame bushes! I was very excited to find
www.paddockspares.com via this group last night. Nowhere in Australia seems
to stock repair panels for underbody so I was full of joy to find a complete
listing of prefab parts that I've been trying to dodgey up with my angle
grinder and welder!
What a wonderful place the UK must be...Rover spares just lying around every
where....and I hear the summers aren't that bad either!


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Don't even think about it!

The A-frame provides lateral restraint to the rear axle. It also (along
with the radius arms) resists the driving and braking torques. Without
it you'll be lucky to get round the first corner without a catastrophe.
It has nothing to do with controlling body roll. Others will be along
later to tell you about safety, lack of insurance etc..

As for body roll - don't worry. It's very much a perception thing - once
you're used to it your driving style will soon adapt to accomodate the
(few) downsides.


john smith wrote:
> I've owned this, my first Rangie must be for about a month or so now, and
> the futher I dig the more rust I find, esp. in the sill panels and I'm
> guessing this is normal, Ive had to replace one of the body rubber mounting
> points. Speaking of the body, I know that Rangies are supposed to be fairly
> 'free' with their body roll, but how free is free??? I have taken the
> complete A frame out from under the car and am wondering whether or not that
> is going to contribute much to body roll. Is the A frame meant to stop the
> diff from twisting? or will the suspension arms take care of that?

 

"john smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've owned this, my first Rangie must be for about a month or so now, and
> the futher I dig the more rust I find, esp. in the sill panels and I'm
> guessing this is normal, Ive had to replace one of the body rubber
mounting
> points. Speaking of the body, I know that Rangies are supposed to be
fairly
> 'free' with their body roll, but how free is free??? I have taken the
> complete A frame out from under the car and am wondering whether or not
that
> is going to contribute much to body roll. Is the A frame meant to stop the
> diff from twisting? or will the suspension arms take care of that? I
hope
> to have her on the road within the next 3 or 4 weeks..did I mention that I
> hate rust......
>
>

put the a frame back on now! The axle will move side ways when conering,
and will cause the diff to nose down when driving, leading to the prop uj's
binding, shearing the prop and then you discover how rusty the floor is as
the prop flails about at speed..... The suspension arms at the back are
only connected to the axle at a single point, unlike the front where they
connect to the axle at 2 points.

While the A frame is out, I would rebush it, because sods law states if you
don't, the job will need doing for the MOT.

You dont say if yours has had anti roll bars fitted, if it has, I would also
suspect the anti roll bar bushes

If you have a lot of body roll, IMHO I would be looking at rebushing the
whole of the suspension system, new springs and new shocks.

--
Simon Isaacs

Peterborough 4x4 Club Vice Chairman, Newsletter Editor and Webmaster (how
much more....)
3.5V8 100" Hybrid, now LPG converted
Part owner of 1976 S3 LWT, currently under restoration
Suzuki SJ410 (Girlfriend's) 3" lift kit fitted, body
shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery (the Pug 106 is dead, long live the Pug)

Peterborough 4x4 Club http://www.peterborough4x4.co.uk


 
john smith wrote:

> What a wonderful place the UK must be...Rover spares just lying
> around every where....and I hear the summers aren't that bad either!

Summers are great here, but a little short. We had ours one day in June,
when it was sunny for almost an hour.
--
--
Rich

Land Rovers
Boat
Dog
Wife
Kids - in that order


 
Don't even think about it!

The A-frame provides lateral restraint to the rear axle. Without it
you'll be lucky to get round the first corner without a catastrophe. It
has nothing to do with controlling body roll. Others will be along later
to tell you about safety, lack of insurance etc..

As for body roll - don't worry. It's very much a perception thing - once
you're used to it your driving style will soon adapt to accomodate the
(few) downsides.

john smith wrote:
> I've owned this, my first Rangie must be for about a month or so now, and
> the futher I dig the more rust I find, esp. in the sill panels and I'm
> guessing this is normal, Ive had to replace one of the body rubber mounting
> points. Speaking of the body, I know that Rangies are supposed to be fairly
> 'free' with their body roll, but how free is free??? I have taken the
> complete A frame out from under the car and am wondering whether or not that
> is going to contribute much to body roll. Is the A frame meant to stop the
> diff from twisting? or will the suspension arms take care of that?

 
Richard Brookman wrote:
> john smith wrote:
>
>
>>What a wonderful place the UK must be...Rover spares just lying
>>around every where....and I hear the summers aren't that bad either!
>
>
> Summers are great here, but a little short. We had ours one day in June,
> when it was sunny for almost an hour.
Bugger. Missed it again!

Terry
 
terry wrote:
> Richard Brookman wrote:
>> john smith wrote:
>>
>>
>>> What a wonderful place the UK must be...Rover spares just lying
>>> around every where....and I hear the summers aren't that bad either!
>>
>>
>> Summers are great here, but a little short. We had ours one day in
>> June, when it was sunny for almost an hour.
> Bugger. Missed it again!
>
> Terry

S'OK, there's another one scheduled in about 2010, sun spots permitting.

--
--
Rich

Land Rovers
Boat
Dog
Wife
Kids - in that order


 
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