help i'm in the doo doo's (I think?)

I bought a discovery 'from a shop', actually the shop wasn't really selling
the vehicle but for a mate. I have now got the vehicle and have been using
it for about 3 months. I have decided to do some work on it, and have just
noticed that the chassis number is missing, there is just a deep gouge where
it should be and the last remenants of the numbers appear to be obscured by
X stamps.

The plate on the front bulkhead, by the rad also looks 'well dodgy'. But
Stupidly i didnt notice when I brought it.

(It gets worse). I am still awaiting the logbook to arrive in the post, I
have my 'buyers' half, but the new one hasn't arrived. Don't even ask about
the receipt, this also hasn't arrived in the post............

What come back do you think I have on the shop that 'acted on behalf' of the
seller? What comeback do I have on the actual seller? I have also done/had
done about £500 worth of work to the vehicle? If I go to small claims do you
think I have a leg to stand on against either party? I havent contacted the
police yet as I want to contact both the shop and actual seller? Can I
demand money back (with costs) legally?

Help and also does anyone have a leggit disco for sale

sobs of woe

T

On Fri, 13 May 2005 22:51:39 GMT, "???" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I bought a discovery 'from a shop', actually the shop wasn't really selling
>the vehicle but for a mate. I have now got the vehicle and have been using
>it for about 3 months. I have decided to do some work on it, and have just
>noticed that the chassis number is missing, there is just a deep gouge where
>it should be and the last remenants of the numbers appear to be obscured by
>X stamps.
>
>The plate on the front bulkhead, by the rad also looks 'well dodgy'. But
>Stupidly i didnt notice when I brought it.
>
>(It gets worse). I am still awaiting the logbook to arrive in the post, I
>have my 'buyers' half, but the new one hasn't arrived. Don't even ask about
>the receipt, this also hasn't arrived in the post............
>
>What come back do you think I have on the shop that 'acted on behalf' of the
>seller? What comeback do I have on the actual seller? I have also done/had
>done about £500 worth of work to the vehicle? If I go to small claims do you
>think I have a leg to stand on against either party? I havent contacted the
>police yet as I want to contact both the shop and actual seller? Can I
>demand money back (with costs) legally?
>
>Help and also does anyone have a leggit disco for sale
>
>sobs of woe
>
>T
>

Worst case....

If you don't have a receipt, you never actually bought it. It is not
yours, you did not pay £200 and you never passed 'go'.

Either way, if it is nicked and ringed it belongs to the person who
had it nicked (or their insurers).

First thing to do is ring HPI and do a check on it IMO.


--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70

Bad luck indeed

You need to inform the Poice at the earliest opportunity - today!

You purchased the vehicle in good faith but if it was say stolen you are in
receipt of stolen property i.e. A Discovery. Should the real owner come on
the scene you could have some awkward questions to answer.

Mind you could all be legit and just the DVLC dragging its heels. I once
purchased an 18 moth old car from a Ford Dealer and was surprised over the
next 2 months to get not one but three logbooks from Swansea.

Ian came up with the following;:
> Bad luck indeed
>
> You need to inform the Poice at the earliest opportunity - today!
>
> You purchased the vehicle in good faith but if it was say stolen you are
> in receipt of stolen property i.e. A Discovery. Should the real owner
> come on the scene you could have some awkward questions to answer.
>
> Mind you could all be legit and just the DVLC dragging its heels. I once
> purchased an 18 moth old car from a Ford Dealer and was surprised over the
> next 2 months to get not one but three logbooks from Swansea.

We did it the other way and bought two cars ... but never got a logbook from
DVLA, though the people we sold them onto did get them, thankfully.

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!
Bugger, that hurt ..
http://groups.msn.com/LosiPaulsPictures/shoebox.msnw?Page=3

Sounds like
Let the buyer beware !


"???" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%[email protected]...
> I bought a discovery 'from a shop', actually the shop wasn't really
selling
> the vehicle but for a mate. I have now got the vehicle and have been using
> it for about 3 months. I have decided to do some work on it, and have just
> noticed that the chassis number is missing, there is just a deep gouge
where
> it should be and the last remenants of the numbers appear to be obscured
by
> X stamps.
>
> The plate on the front bulkhead, by the rad also looks 'well dodgy'. But
> Stupidly i didnt notice when I brought it.
>
> (It gets worse). I am still awaiting the logbook to arrive in the post, I
> have my 'buyers' half, but the new one hasn't arrived. Don't even ask
about
> the receipt, this also hasn't arrived in the post............
>
> What come back do you think I have on the shop that 'acted on behalf' of
the
> seller? What comeback do I have on the actual seller? I have also done/had
> done about £500 worth of work to the vehicle? If I go to small claims do
you
> think I have a leg to stand on against either party? I havent contacted
the
> police yet as I want to contact both the shop and actual seller? Can I
> demand money back (with costs) legally?
>
> Help and also does anyone have a leggit disco for sale
>
> sobs of woe
>
> T
>
>

On Fri, 13 May 2005 22:51:39 GMT, "???" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I bought a discovery 'from a shop', actually the shop wasn't really selling
>the vehicle but for a mate. I have now got the vehicle and have been using
>it for about 3 months. I have decided to do some work on it, and have just
>noticed that the chassis number is missing, there is just a deep gouge where
>it should be and the last remenants of the numbers appear to be obscured by
>X stamps.
>
>The plate on the front bulkhead, by the rad also looks 'well dodgy'. But
>Stupidly i didnt notice when I brought it.
>
>(It gets worse). I am still awaiting the logbook to arrive in the post, I
>have my 'buyers' half, but the new one hasn't arrived. Don't even ask about
>the receipt, this also hasn't arrived in the post............
>
>What come back do you think I have on the shop that 'acted on behalf' of the
>seller? What comeback do I have on the actual seller? I have also done/had
>done about £500 worth of work to the vehicle? If I go to small claims do you
>think I have a leg to stand on against either party? I havent contacted the
>police yet as I want to contact both the shop and actual seller? Can I
>demand money back (with costs) legally?
>
Have you checked out the registration number on the RAC website? You
can at least see if the the number plate matches the vehicle.

--
ColonelTupperware,
spouting bollocks on Usenet since 1997
Usenet FAQ at
http://www.its.caltech.edu/its/services/internetapps/news/news2.shtml
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I agree with Ian, you need to inform the police immediately. You need to
look after No.1, the 'shop' will look after itself. If you wait and see what
happens you may get into deeper doo doo's, and have a lot of explaining to
do.
Wolverine, Big Red 110 CSW.

"Ian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Bad luck indeed
>
> You need to inform the Poice at the earliest opportunity - today!
>
> You purchased the vehicle in good faith but if it was say stolen you are
> in receipt of stolen property i.e. A Discovery. Should the real owner come
> on the scene you could have some awkward questions to answer.
>
> Mind you could all be legit and just the DVLC dragging its heels. I once
> purchased an 18 moth old car from a Ford Dealer and was surprised over the
> next 2 months to get not one but three logbooks from Swansea.
>

On Sat, 14 May 2005 12:45:58 +0100, "Wolverine"
<[email protected]> made me spill my meths when he
wrote:

>I agree with Ian, you need to inform the police immediately. You need to
>look after No.1, the 'shop' will look after itself. If you wait and see what
>happens you may get into deeper doo doo's, and have a lot of explaining to
>do.

Especially as it is now on Usenet. MIght be a painful lesson though.
Let us know if it works out OK.
--

Wayne Davies, Harrogate 07989 556213

Just another point of view...
www.4x4prejudice.org

On Fri, 13 May 2005 22:51:39 GMT, "???" <[email protected]> wrote:

>What come back do you think I have on the shop that 'acted on behalf' of the
>seller? What comeback do I have on the actual seller?

Your contract of sale (whether written or verbal) was made with the
'shop'.

>I have also done/had
>done about £500 worth of work to the vehicle? If I go to small claims do you
>think I have a leg to stand on against either party? I havent contacted the
>police yet as I want to contact both the shop and actual seller? Can I
>demand money back (with costs) legally?

https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/index.jsp

may give you a key into the process of making a claim - however, you
need to be very clear if (when) you make a claim, what you feel is
'wrong' and back this up with evidence. Just making a claim because
you 'feel' something is wrong will not get very far.