Goodyear Wrangler AT/R

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Anyone using 'em?

what are they like for

* on-road grip in the wet
* tread wear
* off-road grip

?

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"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Anyone using 'em?
>
> what are they like for
>
> * on-road grip in the wet
> * tread wear
> * off-road grip
>
I had a set of Wrangler A/T's on my 110 when I originally bought it in 1992,
they were, IMO, crap! Noisy over 45mph, no use off-road on wet grass,
useless in mud (ok, so they weren't MT's) but they were ok on wet tarmac.
Didn't keep them on for long enough to monitor tread wear, so can't comment
on that I'm afraid.
I'm currently running some chinese goodyear copies that I got from the
Scottish subsidiary of Nene Overland, they're "something-or-other" "runway"s
according to the writing on the sidewalls. (I'll check tomorrow in daylight,
it's cold outside now!!) They are E marked radials and in 31/10.5x15 cost
me £300 with wheels, fitted and balanced. They handle well in both wet and
dry road conditions and seem to be wearing ok. The odd burst through a
forest rally stage doesn't seem to upset them, neither does wet grass or
snow. All in, I'm extremely happy with them.
Badger.


 
On or around Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:06:08 +0000 (UTC), "Badger"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Anyone using 'em?
>>
>> what are they like for
>>
>> * on-road grip in the wet
>> * tread wear
>> * off-road grip
>>
>I had a set of Wrangler A/T's on my 110 when I originally bought it in 1992,
>they were, IMO, crap! Noisy over 45mph, no use off-road on wet grass,
>useless in mud (ok, so they weren't MT's) but they were ok on wet tarmac.
>Didn't keep them on for long enough to monitor tread wear, so can't comment
>on that I'm afraid.
>I'm currently running some chinese goodyear copies that I got from the
>Scottish subsidiary of Nene Overland, they're "something-or-other" "runway"s
>according to the writing on the sidewalls. (I'll check tomorrow in daylight,
>it's cold outside now!!) They are E marked radials and in 31/10.5x15 cost
>me £300 with wheels, fitted and balanced. They handle well in both wet and
>dry road conditions and seem to be wearing ok. The odd burst through a
>forest rally stage doesn't seem to upset them, neither does wet grass or
>snow. All in, I'm extremely happy with them.

hmmm, might be worth a look. I'm after 235/70R16 for the disco, needs a
reasonable speed rating as it sometimes gets to cruise on the M-way at about
erm... the national speed limit, of course, ocifer.

Currently got Pirelli STs, which are great for on-road grip but aren't an
off-road tyre. They do actually work well on wet grass and so forth. I
just thought I'd put something a tad more agressive on it. Pirelli ATs that
I had before gripped amazingly on-road, but weren't a lot better off-road
than the ST. Both the Pirellis wear like a thing that wears a lot, mind,
get about 20K miles from 'em. Nankang wide conks were OK on the 110, but
they don't come that size, AFAICT.

heyho. I might have a look at Nene's site, see if they have details...


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"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On or around Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:06:08 +0000 (UTC), "Badger"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>
>>"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> Anyone using 'em?
>>>
>>> what are they like for
>>>
>>> * on-road grip in the wet
>>> * tread wear
>>> * off-road grip
>>>
>>I had a set of Wrangler A/T's on my 110 when I originally bought it in
>>1992,
>>they were, IMO, crap! Noisy over 45mph, no use off-road on wet grass,
>>useless in mud (ok, so they weren't MT's) but they were ok on wet tarmac.
>>Didn't keep them on for long enough to monitor tread wear, so can't
>>comment
>>on that I'm afraid.
>>I'm currently running some chinese goodyear copies that I got from the
>>Scottish subsidiary of Nene Overland, they're "something-or-other"
>>"runway"s
>>according to the writing on the sidewalls. (I'll check tomorrow in
>>daylight,
>>it's cold outside now!!) They are E marked radials and in 31/10.5x15 cost
>>me £300 with wheels, fitted and balanced. They handle well in both wet and
>>dry road conditions and seem to be wearing ok. The odd burst through a
>>forest rally stage doesn't seem to upset them, neither does wet grass or
>>snow. All in, I'm extremely happy with them.
>
> hmmm, might be worth a look. I'm after 235/70R16 for the disco, needs a
> reasonable speed rating as it sometimes gets to cruise on the M-way at
> about
> erm... the national speed limit, of course, ocifer.
>
> Currently got Pirelli STs, which are great for on-road grip but aren't an
> off-road tyre. They do actually work well on wet grass and so forth. I
> just thought I'd put something a tad more agressive on it. Pirelli ATs
> that
> I had before gripped amazingly on-road, but weren't a lot better off-road
> than the ST. Both the Pirellis wear like a thing that wears a lot, mind,
> get about 20K miles from 'em. Nankang wide conks were OK on the 110, but
> they don't come that size, AFAICT.
>
> heyho. I might have a look at Nene's site, see if they have details...
>
>
I'm using Wrangler HPs at the moment, I had ATs before and they were OK,
lasted two years. 35,000 miles that is.

Peter.


 
On or around Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:08:34 -0000, "Peter Seddon"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>>
>I'm using Wrangler HPs at the moment, I had ATs before and they were OK,
>lasted two years. 35,000 miles that is.
>

HPs look much like the GT+4 tread pattern, which is not that dissimilar from
what I have ATM.

Hmmm. Bronco list some Avons at quite attractive-looking prices. The
Ranger AT looks quite useful, dunno what it's like as a tyre though.

Also on Bronco's list are Fulda. never had any of theirs. funny set of
sizes, but they have one called Yukon which looks quite convincing.


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We had them on a Series III. Found them very good all round. Gave a good
ride too. But do prefer BFG All Terrain T/A's now.
Richard


"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Anyone using 'em?
>
> what are they like for
>
> * on-road grip in the wet
> * tread wear
> * off-road grip
>
> ?
>
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
> "Remember that to change your mind and follow him who sets you right
> is to be none the less free than you were before."
> Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (121-180), from Meditations, VIII.16


 
On or around Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:32:03 GMT, "Richard" <richardsemail
[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>We had them on a Series III. Found them very good all round. Gave a good
>ride too. But do prefer BFG All Terrain T/A's now.

I wasn't that impressed with the BFGs, in fact; although there were (and
still are some) steering issues (iffy ball joint) on mine which didn't
improve the handling, I have to say. However, that wasn;t very iffy to
start with. The BFGs felt a bit "hard" on the road (which fits with the
high mileage they're alleged to do) and didn't inspire confidence on wet
roads, although they feel OK on the TDi. Perhaps it's to do with the
differing weight distribution and power delivery on the V8, who knows?

I may give the goodyears a try. Or, indeed, if I can get 'em, the Avons
mentioned elsewhere, which look quite a nice-looking tread.

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Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
Boswell's "Johnson".
 
We have had BFG All Terrains on a V8 Range Rover and at the mo have them on
a 200bhp 90. When my V8 Discovery tyres need replacing I shall put them on
that too.
Richard


"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:eek:[email protected]...
> On or around Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:32:03 GMT, "Richard" <richardsemail
> [email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>We had them on a Series III. Found them very good all round. Gave a good
>>ride too. But do prefer BFG All Terrain T/A's now.
>
> I wasn't that impressed with the BFGs, in fact; although there were (and
> still are some) steering issues (iffy ball joint) on mine which didn't
> improve the handling, I have to say. However, that wasn;t very iffy to
> start with. The BFGs felt a bit "hard" on the road (which fits with the
> high mileage they're alleged to do) and didn't inspire confidence on wet
> roads, although they feel OK on the TDi. Perhaps it's to do with the
> differing weight distribution and power delivery on the V8, who knows?
>
> I may give the goodyears a try. Or, indeed, if I can get 'em, the Avons
> mentioned elsewhere, which look quite a nice-looking tread.
>
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
> "Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
> Boswell's "Johnson".


 
In message <[email protected]>, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> writes
>On or around Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:32:03 GMT, "Richard" <richardsemail
>[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>We had them on a Series III. Found them very good all round. Gave a good
>>ride too. But do prefer BFG All Terrain T/A's now.
>
>I wasn't that impressed with the BFGs, in fact; although there were (and
>still are some) steering issues (iffy ball joint) on mine which didn't
>improve the handling, I have to say. However, that wasn;t very iffy to
>start with. The BFGs felt a bit "hard" on the road (which fits with the
>high mileage they're alleged to do) and didn't inspire confidence on wet
>roads, although they feel OK on the TDi. Perhaps it's to do with the
>differing weight distribution and power delivery on the V8, who knows?
>

Interesting comment, cos I am finding on my V8 that the BFG MTs are
tending to slide about a bit on the wet roads. The tread is getting down
now but even so the area in contact with the road is still the same. I
don't remember the same problem with my 200TDi, and this is not with the
right foot down on the V8.

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"hugh" <hugh@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
news:D[email protected]...
> In message <[email protected]>, Austin Shackles
> <[email protected]> writes
> >On or around Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:32:03 GMT, "Richard" <richardsemail
> >[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> >
> >>We had them on a Series III. Found them very good all round. Gave a good
> >>ride too. But do prefer BFG All Terrain T/A's now.
> >
> >I wasn't that impressed with the BFGs, in fact; although there were (and
> >still are some) steering issues (iffy ball joint) on mine which didn't
> >improve the handling, I have to say. However, that wasn;t very iffy to
> >start with. The BFGs felt a bit "hard" on the road (which fits with the
> >high mileage they're alleged to do) and didn't inspire confidence on wet
> >roads, although they feel OK on the TDi. Perhaps it's to do with the
> >differing weight distribution and power delivery on the V8, who knows?
> >
>
> Interesting comment, cos I am finding on my V8 that the BFG MTs are
> tending to slide about a bit on the wet roads. The tread is getting down
> now but even so the area in contact with the road is still the same. I
> don't remember the same problem with my 200TDi, and this is not with the
> right foot down on the V8.
>
My 200Tdi is sliding around on damp roads with Goodyear Wranglers on. It
never did it with the Hankooks.
Bit worrying really seeing as they're only half worn.
TonyB


 
TonyB wrote:

>
> "hugh" <hugh@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
> news:D[email protected]...
>> In message <[email protected]>, Austin Shackles
>> <[email protected]> writes
>> >On or around Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:32:03 GMT, "Richard" <richardsemail
>> >[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>> >
>> >>We had them on a Series III. Found them very good all round. Gave a
>> >>good ride too. But do prefer BFG All Terrain T/A's now.
>> >
>> >I wasn't that impressed with the BFGs, in fact; although there were (and
>> >still are some) steering issues (iffy ball joint) on mine which didn't
>> >improve the handling, I have to say. However, that wasn;t very iffy to
>> >start with. The BFGs felt a bit "hard" on the road (which fits with the
>> >high mileage they're alleged to do) and didn't inspire confidence on wet
>> >roads, although they feel OK on the TDi. Perhaps it's to do with the
>> >differing weight distribution and power delivery on the V8, who knows?
>> >
>>
>> Interesting comment, cos I am finding on my V8 that the BFG MTs are
>> tending to slide about a bit on the wet roads. The tread is getting down
>> now but even so the area in contact with the road is still the same. I
>> don't remember the same problem with my 200TDi, and this is not with the
>> right foot down on the V8.
>>
> My 200Tdi is sliding around on damp roads with Goodyear Wranglers on. It
> never did it with the Hankooks.
> Bit worrying really seeing as they're only half worn.

What condition are your shocks in then?

P.
 
TonyB wrote:

> My 200Tdi is sliding around on damp roads with Goodyear Wranglers on. It
> never did it with the Hankooks.
> Bit worrying really seeing as they're only half worn.
> TonyB
>
>

My '84 110 V8 has no problems in this area. I've wellied it round
corners and apart from the inevitable roll it's never felt like it was
going to lose grip. I've had the Wranglers on for over a year now
(about 10k) with not much wear evident. I use them only as a road tyre.

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> >>
> > My 200Tdi is sliding around on damp roads with Goodyear Wranglers on. It
> > never did it with the Hankooks.
> > Bit worrying really seeing as they're only half worn.
>
> What condition are your shocks in then?
>
Just passed MOT two days ago. Should that be good enough?
TonyB


 
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:15:38 +0000 (UTC), "TonyB"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> >>
>> > My 200Tdi is sliding around on damp roads with Goodyear Wranglers on. It
>> > never did it with the Hankooks.
>> > Bit worrying really seeing as they're only half worn.
>>
>> What condition are your shocks in then?
>>
>Just passed MOT two days ago. Should that be good enough?
>TonyB
>

AFAIK that only proves that they aren't leaking. It doesn't prove
that they are actually providing any damping.

New shocks on a car make a surprising difference.


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"Tim Hobbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:15:38 +0000 (UTC), "TonyB"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >>
> >> > My 200Tdi is sliding around on damp roads with Goodyear Wranglers on.
It
> >> > never did it with the Hankooks.
> >> > Bit worrying really seeing as they're only half worn.
> >>
> >> What condition are your shocks in then?
> >>
> >Just passed MOT two days ago. Should that be good enough?
> >TonyB
> >
>
> AFAIK that only proves that they aren't leaking. It doesn't prove
> that they are actually providing any damping.
>
> New shocks on a car make a surprising difference.
>
Thought they did a "bounce" test?
TonyB


 
TonyB wrote:
>
> Thought they did a "bounce" test?

A bounce test will only really tell you if *all* the damping has gone.
It's quite possible to have a shock that will 'pass' a bounce test but
only have 20% of it's damping ability left.


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"EMB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> TonyB wrote:
> >
> > Thought they did a "bounce" test?
>
> A bounce test will only really tell you if *all* the damping has gone.
> It's quite possible to have a shock that will 'pass' a bounce test but
> only have 20% of it's damping ability left.
>
So how do I tell if they're worn? ( I know, the car starts sliding around on
greasy corners!)
TonyB


 
TonyB wrote:
> "EMB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>TonyB wrote:
>>
>>>Thought they did a "bounce" test?
>>
>>A bounce test will only really tell you if *all* the damping has gone.
>>It's quite possible to have a shock that will 'pass' a bounce test but
>>only have 20% of it's damping ability left.
>>
>
> So how do I tell if they're worn? ( I know, the car starts sliding around on
> greasy corners!)
> TonyB
>
>
Take them off, and check how much resistance they have. You'll probably
want a new/known good one on hand to compare with. Basically they
should be bloody hard work to compress/extend - if it's not a struggle
then they're probably past their best.

--
EMB
 

"EMB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> TonyB wrote:
> > "EMB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>TonyB wrote:
> >>
> >>>Thought they did a "bounce" test?
> >>
> >>A bounce test will only really tell you if *all* the damping has gone.
> >>It's quite possible to have a shock that will 'pass' a bounce test but
> >>only have 20% of it's damping ability left.
> >>
> >
> > So how do I tell if they're worn? ( I know, the car starts sliding
around on
> > greasy corners!)
> > TonyB
> >
> >
> Take them off, and check how much resistance they have. You'll probably
> want a new/known good one on hand to compare with. Basically they
> should be bloody hard work to compress/extend - if it's not a struggle
> then they're probably past their best.
>
>Ta for that. I'll probably get 'em changed anyway after inspecting the
tyres today. Although only part worn, the wear is very uneven and is now
causing a very slight vibration at the wheel. I don't think simple balance
will fix it.

Is it OK to change just the front shocks or should all four be done
together?

Thanks
TonyB


 

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:08:34 -0000, "Peter Seddon"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>>
>>I'm using Wrangler HPs at the moment, I had ATs before and they were OK,
>>lasted two years. 35,000 miles that is.
>>
>
> HPs look much like the GT+4 tread pattern, which is not that dissimilar
> from
> what I have ATM.
>
> Hmmm. Bronco list some Avons at quite attractive-looking prices. The
> Ranger AT looks quite useful, dunno what it's like as a tyre though.
>
> Also on Bronco's list are Fulda. never had any of theirs. funny set of
> sizes, but they have one called Yukon which looks quite convincing.
>
Austin, sorry for delay in getting back to you, the tyres on my 110 are
"Runway Enduro A/T". Did you get anywhere with Nene?
Badger.


 
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