Gearbox woes - HELP

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Dave R

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Hi All,
I seem to have lost 4th gear on the Range Rover gearbox. LT77, 200Tdi.
%th is also hard to engage. It was fine last night, just had the
problem when I went to get 4th for the first time this morning.

However, i just wnet out now, and forced the box into 4th and 5th again
and it seems to have "loosened up" anyone got any ideas? £500 for a
recon box and 200 to change it is not appealing at the moment!

Any help greatly appreciated!

Dave

 
In message <[email protected]>
"Dave R" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi All,
> I seem to have lost 4th gear on the Range Rover gearbox. LT77, 200Tdi.
> %th is also hard to engage. It was fine last night, just had the
> problem when I went to get 4th for the first time this morning.
>
> However, i just wnet out now, and forced the box into 4th and 5th again
> and it seems to have "loosened up" anyone got any ideas? £500 for a
> recon box and 200 to change it is not appealing at the moment!
>
> Any help greatly appreciated!
>
> Dave
>

How did the clutch feel?

Richard
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cluch is fine. I've had clutches go before and prety sure it's not
that. I hope. I know it had a clutch 10K ago too. Ther gear selection
has always been a bit sloppy mind. It's the kind of box you need to get
"used to". All appears to be working again. I reskon it might be a worn
selector shaft

 
On or around 9 Mar 2006 02:27:27 -0800, "Dave R" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Hi All,
>I seem to have lost 4th gear on the Range Rover gearbox. LT77, 200Tdi.
>%th is also hard to engage. It was fine last night, just had the
>problem when I went to get 4th for the first time this morning.
>
>However, i just wnet out now, and forced the box into 4th and 5th again
>and it seems to have "loosened up" anyone got any ideas? £500 for a
>recon box and 200 to change it is not appealing at the moment!

last one I had changed was a good bit more than 200 for labour. Mind, the
garage bloke was taking the ****, or his mechanic was - tried to say it was
24 hours labour. Bollocks. I could do it meself in less than that without
a frigging lift.

But even so, if you know where to get it changed for 200 notes, you're doing
well.
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I now seem to only have R,1,3, and 5. Second and Fourth now
dissapeareed. Any words of wisdom?

 
On or around 9 Mar 2006 06:14:45 -0800, "Dave R" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>I now seem to only have R,1,3, and 5. Second and Fourth now
>dissapeareed. Any words of wisdom?

does the lever move to the respective positions, or will it only go in
certain places?
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the gears are where they are supposed to be(ish) it's just that
different ones go missing! It was 4th this morning that went awol, and
then 5th, then 4th and 5th. After that , i forced it into gear and then
all 5 worked perfectly (or at least as perfectly as it ususally does).
The mistake I went was driving to look at a P38 and the box buggered up
only leaving me with R,1,3,and 5. Got to be a selector problem hasn't
it? I spoke to LEGS, extremely helpful. They reckoned to get a repair
DIY kit £150 and rebuild as the gears are usually ok. Sounds a good
deal to me. And they said they would help over the phone as much as I
needed.

Am i looking at a rebuild or a kust a selector problem. If i remember
correctly, the selectors are all in the back of the gearbox at the top
in which case it means it's got to come out anyway!

Dave

 
"Dave R" <[email protected]> wrote in news:1141900047.107930.147930
@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:

> Hi All,
> I seem to have lost 4th gear on the Range Rover gearbox. LT77, 200Tdi.
> %th is also hard to engage. It was fine last night, just had the
> problem when I went to get 4th for the first time this morning.
>
> However, i just wnet out now, and forced the box into 4th and 5th again
> and it seems to have "loosened up" anyone got any ideas? £500 for a
> recon box and 200 to change it is not appealing at the moment!
>
> Any help greatly appreciated!
>
> Dave
>

Are you sure it is not the springs at the bottom of the lever (external to
the gear box) that need adjusting?

These "assist" selection. I found a web site that explained it, but have
lost the URL.

Remove the trim at the bottom of the gear lever until you see two springs.
There are a couple of bolts which adjust the tension in these springs. You
play around with those until the selector works correctly. It is no big
deal.

Of course, it may not be that, but it is a lot cheaper to check than
replacing the gear box! So far, I have owned two Land Rovers and both have
had to be adjusted. But there are wiser heads on here than mine....

Derry
 

Derry Argue wrote:
> "Dave R" <[email protected]> wrote in news:1141900047.107930.147930
> @e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Hi All,
> > I seem to have lost 4th gear on the Range Rover gearbox. LT77, 200Tdi.
> > %th is also hard to engage. It was fine last night, just had the
> > problem when I went to get 4th for the first time this morning.
> >
> > However, i just wnet out now, and forced the box into 4th and 5th again
> > and it seems to have "loosened up" anyone got any ideas? £500 for a
> > recon box and 200 to change it is not appealing at the moment!
> >
> > Any help greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Dave
> >
>
> Are you sure it is not the springs at the bottom of the lever (external to
> the gear box) that need adjusting?
>
> These "assist" selection. I found a web site that explained it, but have
> lost the URL.
>
> Remove the trim at the bottom of the gear lever until you see two springs.
> There are a couple of bolts which adjust the tension in these springs. You
> play around with those until the selector works correctly. It is no big
> deal.
>
> Of course, it may not be that, but it is a lot cheaper to check than
> replacing the gear box! So far, I have owned two Land Rovers and both have
> had to be adjusted. But there are wiser heads on here than mine....
>
> Derry

Well, I can be honest with you, I really hope it is!!

I sold the spare LT77 I had last week to a mate of mine, who stripped
it for 4th gear. so I have the selector mechanism to swap straight
over. (Fingers crossed!)

It will only take me a few mins to whip the top off the box and have a
look see. I might even swap them over and pray. I spoke to a very
helpful guy in LEGS tofay who will happily sell me a DIY kit with all
the bearing etc and will probably recon the box myself. Using both sets
of innard if needs be.

Thanks for optimistic view!! I'll keep you informed!!

 
In message <[email protected]>
"Dave R" <[email protected]> wrote:

> the gears are where they are supposed to be(ish) it's just that
> different ones go missing! It was 4th this morning that went awol, and
> then 5th, then 4th and 5th. After that , i forced it into gear and then
> all 5 worked perfectly (or at least as perfectly as it ususally does).
> The mistake I went was driving to look at a P38 and the box buggered up
> only leaving me with R,1,3,and 5. Got to be a selector problem hasn't
> it? I spoke to LEGS, extremely helpful. They reckoned to get a repair
> DIY kit £150 and rebuild as the gears are usually ok. Sounds a good
> deal to me. And they said they would help over the phone as much as I
> needed.
>
> Am i looking at a rebuild or a kust a selector problem. If i remember
> correctly, the selectors are all in the back of the gearbox at the top
> in which case it means it's got to come out anyway!
>
> Dave
>

It sounds very much like one or more of the selector bias springs
and/or the bias adjuster plate has broken:

FRC9340 Plate
FRC9390 Bias Spring - 1st/2nd
FRC8490 Bias Spring - 5th

and/or possibly the Nylon bush at the bottom of the stick FRC9985

Fingers crossed!

Richard

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Cheers Richard,

Now for the $1,000,000 question. Can this be acessed without removing
the box competely. I have a spare gearstick, selector assembly?

Dave

 
In message <[email protected]>
"Dave R" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Cheers Richard,
>
> Now for the $1,000,000 question. Can this be acessed without removing
> the box competely. I have a spare gearstick, selector assembly?
>
> Dave
>

In Defender & Discovery - yes, not certain about Range Rover - I'd assume
access can be gained by removing the centre console - but then
I can't just picture the Range Rover set up at the moment!

Richard
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"Dave R" <[email protected]> wrote in news:1141900047.107930.147930
@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:

> Hi All,
> I seem to have lost 4th gear on the Range Rover gearbox. LT77, 200Tdi.
> %th is also hard to engage. It was fine last night, just had the
> problem when I went to get 4th for the first time this morning.
>
> However, i just wnet out now, and forced the box into 4th and 5th again
> and it seems to have "loosened up" anyone got any ideas? £500 for a
> recon box and 200 to change it is not appealing at the moment!
>
> Any help greatly appreciated!
>
> Dave
>
>



See page six of the site below. The adjuster bolts are items 5 and 6.

Also items 8 on page 8.

Instructions for adjustment of the tension on the bias springs for correct
gear selection are on page 38.

http://www.landrover.ee/est/files/manuals/gearbox/R380
_Gearbox_Overhaul_Manual.pdf

Also,
http://www.ashcroft-transmissions.co.uk/part_2.html#pa2

Hope that's what the problem is!!

Derry
 
I know that I can access the gearlever part through the top. you have
to take out the cubby box and gear surround etc. What I wasn't sure of
was which bits you meant. I now realise that you mean the parts near
the lever - Phew!

I had a horrible feeling that FRC9985 was in the gubbins of the box.

If the weather stays half decent then I will try and start delving in
and let you all know on Monday!

Many thanks to all,

Dave

 
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