Freeloader, stupid design.

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SimonJ

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• Jan 15, 2005

• #1

Had a freeloader in for repair today, clutch pedal had dropped to floor.
Turned out fault was a split in the hydraulic pipe, all the fluid had gone.
Easy methinks, repair pipe, bleed up, happy customer.
Or not, landrover have decided in their 'wisdom' to make the clutch
hydraulics a sealed unit, with no bleed nipple. I had to throw away a
perfectly good master cylinder, and a perfectly good slave cylinder just for
the sake of a tiny split in a plastic pipe.
I remember when you could get seal kits for cylinders, then they decided
that you weren't allowed to put the seals in your self, you have to buy a
complete cylinder. Now you aren't even allowed to put the bloody fluid in
yourself, you have to buy the whole system ready assembled and bled!
How long until you have to throw the whole car away?

 

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Lee_D

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• Jan 15, 2005

• #2

"SimonJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Had a freeloader in for repair today, clutch pedal had dropped to floor.
> Turned out fault was a split in the hydraulic pipe, all the fluid had
> gone.
> Easy methinks, repair pipe, bleed up, happy customer.
> Or not, landrover have decided in their 'wisdom' to make the clutch
> hydraulics a sealed unit, with no bleed nipple. I had to throw away a
> perfectly good master cylinder, and a perfectly good slave cylinder just
> for
> the sake of a tiny split in a plastic pipe.
> I remember when you could get seal kits for cylinders, then they decided
> that you weren't allowed to put the seals in your self, you have to buy a
> complete cylinder. Now you aren't even allowed to put the bloody fluid in
> yourself, you have to buy the whole system ready assembled and bled!
> How long until you have to throw the whole car away?

Well with the series I'm slowly doing it in installments.

October was half the chassis...

This week the engines going



Lee D

 

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Ian

Guest

• Jan 15, 2005

• #3

A Freelander owner will not know any better anyway

 

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Woodstock

Guest

• Jan 16, 2005

• #4

Let's say it was a repairable pipe.Think your invoice would almost be as
high as the one you got now.Since this complete unit is not very
expensive,and otherwise someone had to repair the pipe,two persons for
bleeding the system .............
Complete unit can be exchanged in less than a half hour.

Woodstock

"SimonJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Had a freeloader in for repair today, clutch pedal had dropped to floor.
> Turned out fault was a split in the hydraulic pipe, all the fluid had
gone.
> Easy methinks, repair pipe, bleed up, happy customer.
> Or not, landrover have decided in their 'wisdom' to make the clutch
> hydraulics a sealed unit, with no bleed nipple. I had to throw away a
> perfectly good master cylinder, and a perfectly good slave cylinder just
for
> the sake of a tiny split in a plastic pipe.
> I remember when you could get seal kits for cylinders, then they decided
> that you weren't allowed to put the seals in your self, you have to buy a
> complete cylinder. Now you aren't even allowed to put the bloody fluid in
> yourself, you have to buy the whole system ready assembled and bled!
> How long until you have to throw the whole car away?
>
>

 

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SimonJ

Guest

• Jan 16, 2005

• #5

> Let's say it was a repairable pipe.Think your invoice would almost be as
> high as the one you got now.Since this complete unit is not very
> expensive,and otherwise someone had to repair the pipe,two persons for
> bleeding the system .............
> Complete unit can be exchanged in less than a half hour.
>
Had the pipe been available, I could have changed the pipe in 10 minutes,
bled the system in another 10, and not had to charge the customer to replace
perfectly serviceable units.

 

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Nige

Guest

• Jan 16, 2005

• #6

SimonJ wrote:
>> Let's say it was a repairable pipe.Think your invoice would almost
>> be as high as the one you got now.Since this complete unit is not
>> very expensive,and otherwise someone had to repair the pipe,two
>> persons for bleeding the system .............
>> Complete unit can be exchanged in less than a half hour.
>>
> Had the pipe been available, I could have changed the pipe in 10
> minutes, bled the system in another 10, and not had to charge the
> customer to replace perfectly serviceable units.

It's also a hell of a waste of good parts. Everything is throwaway these days. Give it 25 years & lets
see how many Disco 3's are still knocking about.

Nige

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SimonJ

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• Jan 16, 2005

• #7

> .....Since this complete unit is not very
> expensive,.........

Over £100 for the part alone to repair a 1/4" long split in a pipe?

Obviously your idea of 'not very expensive' is pretty different to mine!

 

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Dave Liquorice

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• Jan 16, 2005

• #8

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:09:39 +0000 (UTC), SimonJ wrote:

> Had the pipe been available, I could have changed the pipe in 10
> minutes, bled the system in another 10,

Erm, didn't the OP say that there was no facilty to bleed the system?

So you'd have to find some means of actually doing that last step in
your allocated 10 mins. B-)

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Tim Hobbs

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• Jan 16, 2005

• #9

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:28:49 +0000 (UTC), "SimonJ" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>> .....Since this complete unit is not very
>> expensive,.........
>
>Over £100 for the part alone to repair a 1/4" long split in a pipe?
>
>Obviously your idea of 'not very expensive' is pretty different to mine!
>

Set alongside £80/hour main dealer rates for labour, it's all
relative...

Of course, we can only speculate about the costs saved in the original
manufacture of the vehicle by Land Rover being able fit this as an
entire module. They will buy this in from the manufacturer as a
'ready to fit' item and thus save all the costs associated with doing
it on the vehicle.


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Woodstock

Guest

• Jan 17, 2005

• #10

Since this is an item that can fail on Freebies,I've one on stock.Cost me
78.50 euro.Freebie has done 160.000 km's so far,and original unit is still
fine.
Maybe RHD parts are more expensive than LHD parts ?? ))

Woodstock

"SimonJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > .....Since this complete unit is not very
> > expensive,.........
>
> Over £100 for the part alone to repair a 1/4" long split in a pipe?
>
> Obviously your idea of 'not very expensive' is pretty different to mine!
>
>

 

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SimonJ

Guest

• Jan 17, 2005

• #11

> > Over £100 for the part alone to repair a 1/4" long split in a pipe?
> >
> > Obviously your idea of 'not very expensive' is pretty different to mine!
> >
> >
>
>
> Since this is an item that can fail on Freebies,I've one on stock.Cost me
> 78.50 euro.Freebie has done 160.000 km's so far,and original unit is still
> fine.
> Maybe RHD parts are more expensive than LHD parts ?? ))
>
That's about £50 I think, sounds about right, the manufacturers always
charge more for parts in the UK.

 

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Dave Liquorice

Guest

• Jan 17, 2005

• #12

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:46:21 +0000, Mr.Nice. wrote:

> Could you not, in theory, drill and tap a hole somewhere in the
> system in a suitable place to fit a bleed nipple?

In theory if you know the internal construction of the slave, then
there is the slight matter of getting fluid in to push the air out or
isn't it quite that "sealed for life" and has an open top up
reservoir.

Remember that time limit though, 10 mins...

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SimonJ

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• Jan 17, 2005

• #13

> >> Had the pipe been available, I could have changed the pipe in 10
> >> minutes, bled the system in another 10,
> >
> >Erm, didn't the OP say that there was no facilty to bleed the system?
> >
I was the OP, and that's exactly my point, that it is a sealed system, with
no way of bleeding it. You would assume that if the pipe was available as a
spare, then there would be a bleed nipple somewhere. I had actually done the
repair on the pipe, (took less than 10 minutes!) before realising I
couldn't bleed the bleeding thing up!

 

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Lee_D

Guest

• Jan 18, 2005

• #14

"SimonJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> >> Had the pipe been available, I could have changed the pipe in 10
>> >> minutes, bled the system in another 10,
>> >
>> >Erm, didn't the OP say that there was no facilty to bleed the system?
>> >
> I was the OP, and that's exactly my point, that it is a sealed system,
> with
> no way of bleeding it. You would assume that if the pipe was available as
> a
> spare, then there would be a bleed nipple somewhere. I had actually done
> the
> repair on the pipe, (took less than 10 minutes!) before realising I
> couldn't bleed the bleeding thing up!

Assemble the unit in a bath full of cluth fluid getting the air out as you
go... extreme but it should work. Wonder if it removes limescale...H'mmmm.

Lee D