*&^%^E$$!! Flat tyre

Whilst replacing an inner tube might be cheaper than getting a tyre patched,
how many tyre places are open on a Sunday and carry the right size inner
tubes these days? I am cursing myself for not having made sure I have a
spare so's I don't have to wait for them to order one.

At least it is only a slow puncture and I have an electric inflator.

--
þT

L'autisme c'est moi

"Space folds, and folded space bends, and bent folded space contracts and
expands unevenly in every way unconcievable except to someone who does not
believe in the laws of mathematics"

"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Whilst replacing an inner tube might be cheaper than getting a tyre
> patched,
> how many tyre places are open on a Sunday and carry the right size
> inner
> tubes these days? I am cursing myself for not having made sure I have
> a
> spare so's I don't have to wait for them to order one.
>
I'm heartily sick of inner tubes: unless the tyre is specifically
designed to accept them, it's probably got so many ribs and assorted
inner roughnesses that it will chew its way through tubes. I don't
think the old remedy for the first puncture of a tubeless tyre ("stick a
tube in it") is sound advice nowadays - an unplugged hole is also more
likely to lead to problems when water reaches the reinforcement plies,
aiui.


--
Kevin Poole
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Well it is a Michelin All Terrain tyre and it does say on it "may be used
with a tube" and so far as I know there is a tube in there

I have just taken the thing off and I can't see any puncture


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes




"Autolycus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> I'm heartily sick of inner tubes: unless the tyre is specifically
> designed to accept them, it's probably got so many ribs and assorted
> inner roughnesses that it will chew its way through tubes. I don't
> think the old remedy for the first puncture of a tubeless tyre ("stick a
> tube in it") is sound advice nowadays - an unplugged hole is also more
> likely to lead to problems when water reaches the reinforcement plies,
> aiui.
>
>
> --
> Kevin Poole
> **Use current month and year to reply (e.g. [email protected])***
> Car Transport by Tiltbed Trailer - based near Derby
>

I was right and all, none of the big tyre dealers want to handle inner
tubes, had to go all the way over to Rugby to get it sorted.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes



"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Well it is a Michelin All Terrain tyre and it does say on it "may be used
> with a tube" and so far as I know there is a tube in there
>
> I have just taken the thing off and I can't see any puncture
>
>
> --
> Larry
> Series 3 rust and holes
>
>
>
>
> "Autolycus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > I'm heartily sick of inner tubes: unless the tyre is specifically
> > designed to accept them, it's probably got so many ribs and assorted
> > inner roughnesses that it will chew its way through tubes. I don't
> > think the old remedy for the first puncture of a tubeless tyre ("stick a
> > tube in it") is sound advice nowadays - an unplugged hole is also more
> > likely to lead to problems when water reaches the reinforcement plies,
> > aiui.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Kevin Poole
> > **Use current month and year to reply (e.g. [email protected])***
> > Car Transport by Tiltbed Trailer - based near Derby
> >
>
>

<snip early stuff I cba to re-arrange>

"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I was right and all, none of the big tyre dealers want to handle inner
> tubes, had to go all the way over to Rugby to get it sorted.
>

So what did the problem turn out to be? The last inner tube puncture I
had was because of grit between the tube and tyre. I've now gone over
to steel wheels and tubeless tyres, and also bought the necessary rotary
rasp, mushroom-headed plugs, and so on to repair my own tubeless tyres.
In an idealised world of weekday punctures and friendly local garages
who repair punctures for a couple of quid into the tea money, it
wouldn't be worth it, but in the real world...




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Seems something had got in and come out again leaving nothing but the hole.

I suppose I am going to have to either stock up on tubes or get out my old
bicycle repair kit, cos I am damned if I am changing the wheels just so's I
can fit tubeless tyres for the convenience of the dealers.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes



"Autolycus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> <snip early stuff I cba to re-arrange>
>
> "Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> So what did the problem turn out to be? The last inner tube puncture I
> had was because of grit between the tube and tyre. I've now gone over
> to steel wheels and tubeless tyres, and also bought the necessary rotary
> rasp, mushroom-headed plugs, and so on to repair my own tubeless tyres.
> In an idealised world of weekday punctures and friendly local garages
> who repair punctures for a couple of quid into the tea money, it
> wouldn't be worth it, but in the real world...
>
>
>
>
> --
> Kevin Poole
> **Use current month and year to reply (e.g. [email protected])***
> Car Transport by Tiltbed Trailer - based near Derby
>

In message <[email protected]>
"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Seems something had got in and come out again leaving nothing but the hole.
>
> I suppose I am going to have to either stock up on tubes or get out my old
> bicycle repair kit, cos I am damned if I am changing the wheels just so's I
> can fit tubeless tyres for the convenience of the dealers.
>
>

Hear, hear! I once went to Kwikfit to get a tube for a trailer
fixed/replaced.

"Oh no, Sir, no one uses tubes any more!"
"Er, that big sign outside says you're off-road experts"
"Yep"
"But no tubes?"
"Nope"


So e-mailed their info department from their web site and moaned.

Giving them great credit, one of their staff got back on the
phone within half an hour.

I explained that the vast majority of off road vehicles in this
area are Land Rovers, and the vast majority of them use tubed, or
tubless with tubes for belt and braces (a lot of our customers
will fix a puncture themselves).

"Ah! Our marketing dept. don't seem to known that. And we don't
get much demand for trailer tires."
"It wouldn't be anything to do with keeping stock levels down
would it?"
"Well, you might think that, I couldn't possibly comment" (or
words to that effect).
"Have you got any 7.50's in stock"
"No, but we can get them, usually a week or so"

Off-road experts? Non.

Richard
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Helping keep Land Rovers on and off the road to annoy the Lib Dems

As a TV, film and video producer I recently shot a corporate promo for a
company called Tyre Protector, they had John Fashanu (spelling?) the ex.
footballer presenting. We shot all sorts of vehicles driving over nails,
metal spikes and the like, not just once bit repeatedly. On one test
they drove a Transit van along a plank with eight four inch nails
sticking up. You could hear the phut, phut, phut as each nail drove into
the tyre but each puncture was instantly 'vulcanised' as soon as the
nail came out. Then the van reversed over the same eight nails.
Examining the tyre afterwards revealed absolutely no remaining puncture
in the tyre and no loss of pressure either. The products chemistry is a
closely guarded secret but it's applied through the valve and as soon as
the wheel turns the solution forms a completely even film along the
inside on the tyre, instantly vulcanising under pressure any puncture,
even a quarter inch spike! Additionally the treatment seals any air leak
in the tyre system so that one hardly, if ever, needs to top up tyre
pressure. This also has implications for tyre wear, fuel economy,
handling and of course safety, let alone completely removing the
inconvenience and often costs associated with getting a puncture. Some
of the case studies we filmed included trucking companies, farmers with
tractors and quad bikes and even a football. We were incredibly
impressed with their product and I'd expect it to become a popular
product. If anyone wants to know about them send me an email because I'm
seriously thinking of getting into the business opportunities the
product suggests to me before it really hits the market.

P.S. Apparently another product with similar claims spoiled the market a
couple of years ago because the solution was unstable. This is a
completely new and proven product. To underline this Continental Tyres
have started offering the treatment from their Norway branch to test the
market and will then extend the treatment across all their other
international branches. Quite frankly every tyre on the road ought to
have it.
--
John Lubran

Moving Vision wrote:

>
> As a TV, film and video producer I recently shot a corporate promo for a
> company called Tyre Protector, they had John Fashanu (spelling?) the ex.
> footballer presenting. We shot all sorts of vehicles driving over nails,
> metal spikes and the like, not just once bit repeatedly. On one test
> they drove a Transit van along a plank with eight four inch nails
> sticking up. You could hear the phut, phut, phut as each nail drove into
> the tyre but each puncture was instantly 'vulcanised' as soon as the
> nail came out. Then the van reversed over the same eight nails.
> Examining the tyre afterwards revealed absolutely no remaining puncture
> in the tyre and no loss of pressure either. The products chemistry is a
> closely guarded secret but it's applied through the valve and as soon as
> the wheel turns the solution forms a completely even film along the
> inside on the tyre, instantly vulcanising under pressure any puncture,
> even a quarter inch spike! Additionally the treatment seals any air leak
> in the tyre system so that one hardly, if ever, needs to top up tyre
> pressure. This also has implications for tyre wear, fuel economy,
> handling and of course safety, let alone completely removing the
> inconvenience and often costs associated with getting a puncture. Some
> of the case studies we filmed included trucking companies, farmers with
> tractors and quad bikes and even a football. We were incredibly
> impressed with their product and I'd expect it to become a popular
> product. If anyone wants to know about them send me an email because I'm
> seriously thinking of getting into the business opportunities the
> product suggests to me before it really hits the market.
>
> P.S. Apparently another product with similar claims spoiled the market a
> couple of years ago because the solution was unstable. This is a
> completely new and proven product. To underline this Continental Tyres
> have started offering the treatment from their Norway branch to test the
> market and will then extend the treatment across all their other
> international branches. Quite frankly every tyre on the road ought to
> have it.

But will it work with tubes?
JD

JD wrote:
> Moving Vision wrote:
>
>
>>As a TV, film and video producer I recently shot a corporate promo for a
>>company called Tyre Protector, they had John Fashanu (spelling?) the ex.
>>footballer presenting. We shot all sorts of vehicles driving over nails,
>>metal spikes and the like, not just once bit repeatedly. On one test
>>they drove a Transit van along a plank with eight four inch nails
>>sticking up. You could hear the phut, phut, phut as each nail drove into
>>the tyre but each puncture was instantly 'vulcanised' as soon as the
>>nail came out. Then the van reversed over the same eight nails.
>>Examining the tyre afterwards revealed absolutely no remaining puncture
>>in the tyre and no loss of pressure either. The products chemistry is a
>>closely guarded secret but it's applied through the valve and as soon as
>>the wheel turns the solution forms a completely even film along the
>>inside on the tyre, instantly vulcanising under pressure any puncture,
>>even a quarter inch spike! Additionally the treatment seals any air leak
>>in the tyre system so that one hardly, if ever, needs to top up tyre
>>pressure. This also has implications for tyre wear, fuel economy,
>>handling and of course safety, let alone completely removing the
>>inconvenience and often costs associated with getting a puncture. Some
>>of the case studies we filmed included trucking companies, farmers with
>>tractors and quad bikes and even a football. We were incredibly
>>impressed with their product and I'd expect it to become a popular
>>product. If anyone wants to know about them send me an email because I'm
>>seriously thinking of getting into the business opportunities the
>>product suggests to me before it really hits the market.
>>
>>P.S. Apparently another product with similar claims spoiled the market a
>>couple of years ago because the solution was unstable. This is a
>>completely new and proven product. To underline this Continental Tyres
>>have started offering the treatment from their Norway branch to test the
>>market and will then extend the treatment across all their other
>>international branches. Quite frankly every tyre on the road ought to
>>have it.
>
>
> But will it work with tubes?
> JD
And the chaps with the blue flashing lights on the roof are going to be
unimpressed when deploying their 'stingers' to stop vehicles being
driven by thieves.
PJ

>
>But will it work with tubes?
>JD

Yes, but tubes would of course be entirely superfluous!
--
Moving Vision

>And the chaps with the blue flashing lights on the roof are going to be
>unimpressed when deploying their 'stingers' to stop vehicles being
>driven by thieves.
>PJ


He he he. I hadn't though of that. Clearly an additional niche market
there as well
--
John Lubran

Great stuff if you like driving with fluid in your tyres

I had some, paid to get it removed. If you park up for longer than a few
days, it settles. The end result is that you have to argue with the steering
for the first few miles .... it's not a great idea IMHO.

--
Neil

I believe the stinger leaves the hollow spikes embedded in the tyre, so you
will not be able to drive over them with impunity!
"Moving Vision" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >And the chaps with the blue flashing lights on the roof are going to be
> >unimpressed when deploying their 'stingers' to stop vehicles being driven
> >by thieves.
>>PJ
>
>
> He he he. I hadn't though of that. Clearly an additional niche market
> there as well
> --
> John Lubran

In article <[email protected]>, Neil
Brownlee <[email protected]> writes
>Great stuff if you like driving with fluid in your tyres
>
>I had some, paid to get it removed. If you park up for longer than a few
>days, it settles. The end result is that you have to argue with the steering
>for the first few miles .... it's not a great idea IMHO.
>

As I clearly pointed out in my post;

"P.S. Apparently another product with similar claims spoiled the market
a couple of years ago because the solution was unstable. This is a
completely new and proven product. To underline this Continental Tyres
have started offering the treatment from their Norway branch to test the
market and will then extend the treatment across all their other
international branches. Quite frankly every tyre on the road ought to
have it."

I can categorically state that 'Tyre Protector' does not settle at the
bottom of a tyre when left standing for any length of time and will
remain constant in form and position for the life of the tyre
GUARANTEED.

If one is not impressed that Continental Tyres have endorsed the product
for further confirmation of the products qualities just ask Lewis Land
Rover in Swansea or Chuker's of Shrewsbury, franchised Land Rover
dealers.

As I said I have no current commercial interest in the product, they
paid me to produce a DVD commercial and I've got my money but in the
process I was highly impressed. I am thinking of doing business with
them though.
--
John Lubran

On 2005-06-09, Mark Williamson <[email protected]> wrote:

> I believe the stinger leaves the hollow spikes embedded in the tyre,
> so you will not be able to drive over them with impunity!

Watching the various "Cops, they're nice really" programmes on telly
has lead me to believe that the spikes don't stay in the tyres. The
reason they're hollow is because somehow this stops the tyres from
bursting and tearing, instead they go down slowly preventing the car
from veering out of control due to sudden tyre deflation.

I think it's 50/50 over who's right here ;-)

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert

In message <[email protected]>, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> writes
>On 2005-06-09, Mark Williamson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I believe the stinger leaves the hollow spikes embedded in the tyre,
>> so you will not be able to drive over them with impunity!
>
>Watching the various "Cops, they're nice really" programmes on telly
>has lead me to believe that the spikes don't stay in the tyres. The
>reason they're hollow is because somehow this stops the tyres from
>bursting and tearing, instead they go down slowly preventing the car
>from veering out of control due to sudden tyre deflation.
>
>I think it's 50/50 over who's right here ;-)
>

Tyre Protector's web-site has this to say about stingers:

'Will Tyre Protector work against stingers?
No. A stinger is made up with hundreds of hollow plastic spikes. When a
tyre drives over them the spikes brake (sic) off inside the tyre to
provide a controlled deflation'.
--
Peter

On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 19:16:19 +0100, Ian Rawlings wrote:

> Watching the various "Cops, they're nice really" programmes on telly
> has lead me to believe that the spikes don't stay in the tyres. The
> reason they're hollow is because somehow this stops the tyres from
> bursting and tearing, instead they go down slowly preventing the car
> from veering out of control due to sudden tyre deflation.

Your belief is wrong. The spikes do remain in the tyre, making a nice
small controlled hole for the air to leave over about 20 to 30s.

http://www.stinger-spikes.com/products/index.php?id=39

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

On or around Thu, 9 Jun 2005 19:11:39 +0100, Moving Vision
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>In article <[email protected]>, Neil
>Brownlee <[email protected]> writes
>>Great stuff if you like driving with fluid in your tyres
>>
>>I had some, paid to get it removed. If you park up for longer than a few
>>days, it settles. The end result is that you have to argue with the steering
>>for the first few miles .... it's not a great idea IMHO.
>>
>
>As I clearly pointed out in my post;
>
>"P.S. Apparently another product with similar claims spoiled the market
>a couple of years ago because the solution was unstable. This is a
>completely new and proven product. To underline this Continental Tyres
>have started offering the treatment from their Norway branch to test the
>market and will then extend the treatment across all their other
>international branches. Quite frankly every tyre on the road ought to
>have it."
>
>I can categorically state that 'Tyre Protector' does not settle at the
>bottom of a tyre when left standing for any length of time and will
>remain constant in form and position for the life of the tyre
>GUARANTEED.
>

2 questions spring to mind... 1) has the guarantee any practical use? what
do you get if it doesn't perform?

2) how much does it cost...

--
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"For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then
something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination -
we learned to talk." Pink Floyd (1994)

On 2005-06-09, Peter <[email protected]> wrote:

> 'Will Tyre Protector work against stingers?
> No. A stinger is made up with hundreds of hollow plastic spikes. When a
> tyre drives over them the spikes brake (sic) off inside the tyre to
> provide a controlled deflation'.

OK, we'll settle for 70/30?

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert