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Quick question:

I'm doing the front swivels on my old 1990 Disco and I've noticed that the
track rod has a slight bend in it at the point where the steering damper is
fixed. Is this correct or is it bent?

Cheers Julian.


 
In message <[email protected]>
"Julian" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Quick question:
>
> I'm doing the front swivels on my old 1990 Disco and I've noticed that the
> track rod has a slight bend in it at the point where the steering damper is
> fixed. Is this correct or is it bent?
>
> Cheers Julian.
>
>

It should be dead straight......... in theory.

Richard
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www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
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On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:02:08 GMT, "Julian" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:d6e753d4e%[email protected]...
>
>>
>> It should be dead straight......... in theory.
>
>Cheers, it's off to my mate with oxy/acet to warm and straighten it then.
>
>Julian.
>
Before you decide to straighten it, think about the implications of
what would happen if the now weakened component was to break.

Track rod ends are cheap.

David
 

"rads" <[email protected]> wrote in
message >>


> Before you decide to straighten it, think about the implications of
> what would happen if the now weakened component was to break.

I'm not convinced that taking a slight bow out of a mild steel tubular
member will weaken it to any degree, also it's got to be much better than a
bent one WRT it buckling under compression?

>
> Track rod ends are cheap.

Maybe, but the item in question is the track rod, not the ends. Do new TRE's
come with a new trackrod?

Julian.


 
Julian wrote:

>
> "rads" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message >>
>
>
>> Before you decide to straighten it, think about the implications of
>> what would happen if the now weakened component was to break.
>
> I'm not convinced that taking a slight bow out of a mild steel tubular
> member will weaken it to any degree, also it's got to be much better than
> a bent one WRT it buckling under compression?
>
>>
>> Track rod ends are cheap.
>
> Maybe, but the item in question is the track rod, not the ends. Do new
> TRE's come with a new trackrod?
>
> Julian.

It is unlikely to be mild steel - it is probably a low alloy medium carbon
steel with carefully planned heat treatment.
JD
 
On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 10:20:55 GMT, "Julian" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"rads" <[email protected]> wrote in
>message >>
>
>
>> Before you decide to straighten it, think about the implications of
>> what would happen if the now weakened component was to break.
>
>I'm not convinced that taking a slight bow out of a mild steel tubular
>member will weaken it to any degree, also it's got to be much better than a
>bent one WRT it buckling under compression?
>
>>
>> Track rod ends are cheap.
>
>Maybe, but the item in question is the track rod, not the ends. Do new TRE's
>come with a new trackrod?
>
>Julian.
>
Oops.

Read TRE, not TR.

Carry on.

David
 
In message <[email protected]>
"Julian" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "rads" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message >>
>
>
> > Before you decide to straighten it, think about the implications of
> > what would happen if the now weakened component was to break.
>
> I'm not convinced that taking a slight bow out of a mild steel tubular
> member will weaken it to any degree, also it's got to be much better than a
> bent one WRT it buckling under compression?
>
> >
> > Track rod ends are cheap.
>
> Maybe, but the item in question is the track rod, not the ends. Do new TRE's
> come with a new trackrod?
>

They can do - a complete track rod is about £70 though. The adjuster
link, TRE's and tube with bracket are available sperately though.

> Julian.
>
>

Richard

--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
RISC-OS - Where have all the good guys gone?
Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
 
On or around Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:57:21 +0100, beamendsltd
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>In message <[email protected]>
> "Julian" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> "rads" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> message >>
>>
>>
>> > Before you decide to straighten it, think about the implications of
>> > what would happen if the now weakened component was to break.
>>
>> I'm not convinced that taking a slight bow out of a mild steel tubular
>> member will weaken it to any degree, also it's got to be much better than a
>> bent one WRT it buckling under compression?
>>
>> >
>> > Track rod ends are cheap.
>>
>> Maybe, but the item in question is the track rod, not the ends. Do new TRE's
>> come with a new trackrod?
>>
>
>They can do - a complete track rod is about £70 though. The adjuster
>link, TRE's and tube with bracket are available sperately though.

I straightened a 110 rod once as a short-term fix - the new rod though is
not all that pricey if the ends are good. dunno if a disco one is more,
mind. The 110 one even including the ends wasn't silly money.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"The breezy call of incense-breathing Morn, The swallow twittering
from the strawbuilt shed, The cock's shrill clarion, or the echoing
horn, No more shall rouse them from their lowly bed."
Thomas Gray, Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard.
 
On or around Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:39:52 GMT, "Julian" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Quick question:
>
>I'm doing the front swivels on my old 1990 Disco and I've noticed that the
>track rod has a slight bend in it at the point where the steering damper is
>fixed. Is this correct or is it bent?

If you decide to replace it, I'm interested in the old one. I've a use for
short (about 30mm and also sometimes around 200mm) sections of LR track rod
- and I've just used up the last of the one I bent...

don't know if series ones are the same size... the one I've been using was a
110 one.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"The great masses of the people ... will more easily fall victims to
a great lie than to a small one" Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
from Mein Kampf, Ch 10
 

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:39:52 GMT, "Julian" <[email protected]>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
> If you decide to replace it, I'm interested in the old one. I've a use
> for
> short (about 30mm and also sometimes around 200mm) sections of LR track
> rod
> - and I've just used up the last of the one I bent...
>
> don't know if series ones are the same size... the one I've been using was
> a
> 110 one.

OK, I'll let you know how I get on, you can have it if it won't straighten.
I'm still on the last swivel at the moment, and work is going to get in the
way for the next few days. (Grrrrr!!)

I may need new tie rod ends yet, they seem rather 'notchy,' so if I can't
peel back the rubber and grease them then I'll swop them for new ones.

WRT the rod, It's such a slight bend that I'm thinking it will straighten if
I stick it between two axle stands and sit on the bugger!

Julian.


 
On or around Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:59:39 GMT, "Julian" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>
>I may need new tie rod ends yet, they seem rather 'notchy,' so if I can't
>peel back the rubber and grease them then I'll swop them for new ones.

nah, the only way to grease 'em is a grease nipple in the "back" side of the
thing. if they have 'em.

>
>WRT the rod, It's such a slight bend that I'm thinking it will straighten if
>I stick it between two axle stands and sit on the bugger!

mine had quite an impressive bend in it - I got it more-or-less straight by
heating it red-hot and straightening it. If it's a *really* slight bend
then I'd ignore it, myself... mind, you need to know why it bent - if it's
been in a collision (most common cause) then the ends may be iffy. If it's
been driven over a lump, then it's just the rod.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Appearances: You don't really need make-up. Celebrate your authentic
face by frightening people in the street.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
JD wrote:

> It is unlikely to be mild steel - it is probably a low alloy medium carbon
> steel with carefully planned heat treatment.
> JD

It's very likely to be mild steel, actually. And in my experience
that's the case - soft as cheese. In normal use the rod, even with
partially seized rod ends sees little more that straightforward
tension and compression - nothing 'sophisticated' is needed. Mild
steel will do the job fine.

The buckling load is largely independent of the grade of steel and it
is only once buckling has occurred that a 'better' grade will show any
advantage.

 

Julian wrote:
> "Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On or around Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:39:52 GMT, "Julian" <[email protected]>
> > enlightened us thusly:
> >
> > If you decide to replace it, I'm interested in the old one. I've a use
> > for
> > short (about 30mm and also sometimes around 200mm) sections of LR track
> > rod
> > - and I've just used up the last of the one I bent...
> >
> > don't know if series ones are the same size... the one I've been using was
> > a
> > 110 one.
>
> OK, I'll let you know how I get on, you can have it if it won't straighten.
> I'm still on the last swivel at the moment, and work is going to get in the
> way for the next few days. (Grrrrr!!)
>
> I may need new tie rod ends yet, they seem rather 'notchy,' so if I can't
> peel back the rubber and grease them then I'll swop them for new ones.
>
> WRT the rod, It's such a slight bend that I'm thinking it will straighten if
> I stick it between two axle stands and sit on the bugger!
>
> Julian.

I've got a good secondhand one if you want one

Dave

 

"Dave R" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>
> I've got a good secondhand one if you want one
>
> Dave

Cheers, where abouts are you? I'm near Warrington. I'll not know if I need
one for a day or so, work commitments are stopping me from making progress.

Julian.


 
On or around Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:38:07 +0100, Dougal
<DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:

>JD wrote:
>
>> It is unlikely to be mild steel - it is probably a low alloy medium carbon
>> steel with carefully planned heat treatment.
>> JD
>
>It's very likely to be mild steel, actually. And in my experience
>that's the case - soft as cheese. In normal use the rod, even with
>partially seized rod ends sees little more that straightforward
>tension and compression - nothing 'sophisticated' is needed. Mild
>steel will do the job fine.
>
>The buckling load is largely independent of the grade of steel and it
>is only once buckling has occurred that a 'better' grade will show any
>advantage.

they don't machine like mild steel. and they're a bastard to straighten.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Pereant qui ante nos nostra dixerunt"
(confound the men who have made our remarks before us.)
Aelius Donatus (4th Cent.) [St. Jerome, Commentary on Ecclesiastes]
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

> On or around Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:38:07 +0100, Dougal
> <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
>>JD wrote:
>>
>>
>>>It is unlikely to be mild steel - it is probably a low alloy medium carbon
>>>steel with carefully planned heat treatment.
>>>JD
>>
>>It's very likely to be mild steel, actually. And in my experience
>>that's the case - soft as cheese. In normal use the rod, even with
>>partially seized rod ends sees little more that straightforward
>>tension and compression - nothing 'sophisticated' is needed. Mild
>>steel will do the job fine.
>>
>>The buckling load is largely independent of the grade of steel and it
>>is only once buckling has occurred that a 'better' grade will show any
>>advantage.
>
>
> they don't machine like mild steel. and they're a bastard to straighten.

I've only attacked old ones - they hacksawed easily. Straightening is
an issue but that's a geometry problem rather than a material one, I
think. It'll be a few years before I get a current production one to
play with!
 

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> If you decide to replace it, I'm interested in the old one.

It's yours for nowt. I straightened it by placing it across some axle stands
and thumping it with a lump hammer - dead easy!

Next I needed to replace the track rod ends because the old one were
knackered, one was seized in the shaft so warmed it up with the propane
torch and wound it out together with all the threads in the rod! (Grrr)

Beam Ends on Monday for a new one - they seem quite a good price.

Julian.



 
On or around Sun, 02 Jul 2006 10:46:43 GMT, "Julian" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>
>"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> If you decide to replace it, I'm interested in the old one.
>
>It's yours for nowt. I straightened it by placing it across some axle stands
>and thumping it with a lump hammer - dead easy!
>
>Next I needed to replace the track rod ends because the old one were
>knackered, one was seized in the shaft so warmed it up with the propane
>torch and wound it out together with all the threads in the rod! (Grrr)
>
>Beam Ends on Monday for a new one - they seem quite a good price.

You coming to Malvern, or know anyone who is?
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"'Tis a mad world, my masters" John Taylor (1580-1633) Western Voyage, 1
 

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message

> You coming to Malvern, or know anyone who is?

Malvern? I'm guessing that this is an enthusiasts meeting? Sorry, I won't
be attending, I know two enthusiasts with series LR's, they live close to me
but I've never heard Malvern mentioned. But I'll keep the old rod for you
just in case you are ever passing.

Julian.


 
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