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Nikki Cluley

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We are looking for a newer Discovery 1998 onwards and have about £10,000 to
spend. Had a Discovery V8 for past 7 years, got large twin axle caravan
plus some horrible kids. Any opinions on sticking with a V8 or going for
diesel, and going for a late series 1 or early series 2 Discovery.
Bruce has a preference for the V8 and manual gearbox, as this is what he
knows and he's a bit set in his ways. I think that a diesel is worth
looking at, so any comments would be appreciated!
--
Nikki

1990 Discovery V8i
1985 Range Rover V8
1975 88" Series III 2.25 petrol
1979 Series III Lightweight 2.25 petrol

 

"Nikki Cluley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:BE364977.153FE%[email protected]...
> We are looking for a newer Discovery 1998 onwards and have about £10,000
to
> spend. Had a Discovery V8 for past 7 years, got large twin axle caravan
> plus some horrible kids. Any opinions on sticking with a V8 or going for
> diesel, and going for a late series 1 or early series 2 Discovery.
> Bruce has a preference for the V8 and manual gearbox, as this is what he
> knows and he's a bit set in his ways. I think that a diesel is worth
> looking at, so any comments would be appreciated!

Well of course you'll get better mileage with the diesel, I get 30mpg + on
mine and it rarely drops below 28 unless I gun it round town on short hops.
It'll tow just as well as the V8 I guess but it'll be noiseier and perhaps
less responsive whether towing or not. Servicing is easier and probably
cheaper although required more often - every 5k on mine. (1992 200 Tdi now
with 200k miles on the clock) My engine has never missed a beat and they
start really easily no matter what the weather. On the downside they always
emit a puff of black smoke on startup and they are a bit gutless unless you
tweak the diesel pump up a little - mine still passes MOT with the pump
tweaked - but one is concious of not being as environmentally friendly as a
petrol engine would be.

On balance I'd go again for the diesel, they are also much safer in terms of
fire should a fuel line leak or similar. I guess you need to test drive one!
TonyB


 
In message <BE364977.153FE%[email protected]>
Nikki Cluley <[email protected]> wrote:

> We are looking for a newer Discovery 1998 onwards and have about £10,000 to
> spend. Had a Discovery V8 for past 7 years, got large twin axle caravan
> plus some horrible kids. Any opinions on sticking with a V8 or going for
> diesel, and going for a late series 1 or early series 2 Discovery.
> Bruce has a preference for the V8 and manual gearbox, as this is what he
> knows and he's a bit set in his ways. I think that a diesel is worth
> looking at, so any comments would be appreciated!

We can probably find a couple of tin helmets to borroe
while you debate this ;-)

Richard
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beamendsltd wrote:
> In message <BE364977.153FE%[email protected]>
> Nikki Cluley <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>We are looking for a newer Discovery 1998 onwards and have about £10,000 to
>>spend. Had a Discovery V8 for past 7 years, got large twin axle caravan
>>plus some horrible kids. Any opinions on sticking with a V8 or going for
>>diesel, and going for a late series 1 or early series 2 Discovery.
>>Bruce has a preference for the V8 and manual gearbox, as this is what he
>>knows and he's a bit set in his ways. I think that a diesel is worth
>>looking at, so any comments would be appreciated!
>
>
> We can probably find a couple of tin helmets to borroe
> while you debate this ;-)
>
> Richard
I've driven both regularly, and although the TD5 is of a similar power,
I find the characteristics of the diesel much less friendly than the V8.
The petrol model is smoother,and less 'eager', i.e. the turbo on the
diesel gives good power, but it needs more gearbox work than the V8, so
for towing, my preference is an LPG fitted V8i (although mine's carb) as
ti's easier to set up the injection model for gas. You get almost diesel
mileage, and V8 'feel'.

`Mark
 

"TonyB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Nikki Cluley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:BE364977.153FE%[email protected]...
>> We are looking for a newer Discovery 1998 onwards and have about £10,000
> to
>> spend. Had a Discovery V8 for past 7 years, got large twin axle caravan
>> plus some horrible kids. Any opinions on sticking with a V8 or going for
>> diesel, and going for a late series 1 or early series 2 Discovery.
>> Bruce has a preference for the V8 and manual gearbox, as this is what he
>> knows and he's a bit set in his ways. I think that a diesel is worth
>> looking at, so any comments would be appreciated!
>
> Well of course you'll get better mileage with the diesel, I get 30mpg + on
> mine and it rarely drops below 28 unless I gun it round town on short
> hops.
> It'll tow just as well as the V8 I guess but it'll be noiseier and perhaps
> less responsive whether towing or not. Servicing is easier and probably
> cheaper although required more often - every 5k on mine. (1992 200 Tdi now
> with 200k miles on the clock) My engine has never missed a beat and they
> start really easily no matter what the weather. On the downside they
> always
> emit a puff of black smoke on startup and they are a bit gutless unless
> you
> tweak the diesel pump up a little - mine still passes MOT with the pump
> tweaked - but one is concious of not being as environmentally friendly as
> a
> petrol engine would be.
>
> On balance I'd go again for the diesel, they are also much safer in terms
> of
> fire should a fuel line leak or similar. I guess you need to test drive
> one!
> TonyB
>
>
I don't know how you manage 30+ mpg, perhaps you live in the flatlands.

Round the hills, and in the traffic, around Sheffield and The Peak District
I seem to get around 25, best 28, worst 21.
So MPG obviously depends how where one lives and how one drives.

Or is there something wrong with mine. Disco Series II MY2000



 
> >
> I don't know how you manage 30+ mpg, perhaps you live in the flatlands.

Ahem. Norfolk.
>
> Round the hills, and in the traffic, around Sheffield and The Peak
District
> I seem to get around 25, best 28, worst 21.
> So MPG obviously depends how where one lives and how one drives.

Most of my trips are in excess of 20 miles, I rarely do short trips. I
hardly ever exceed an indicated 75mph either. Usually only one in the car
and little luggage. It's a 92 200 Tdi with 200k miles and I've not touched
the engine since I got it at 124k. ( Apart from oil changes and a couple of
water pumps and timing belts natch!)
>
> Or is there something wrong with mine. Disco Series II MY2000

Is Series II a bit heavier do I recall?
TonyB
>
>
>


 
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:15:12 +0000 (UTC), Harpic wrote:

> I don't know how you manage 30+ mpg, perhaps you live in the
> flatlands.

I don't think hills have much to do with it. What goes up must come
down, you burn more fuel going up but much less coming down per unit
distance.

> Round the hills, and in the traffic, around Sheffield and The Peak
> District I seem to get around 25, best 28, worst 21.

Had the Disco II a couple of months and have an overall average of
26.6, mixture of short trips into town (5 miles RT), shopping (50
miles RT) and half a dozen or so longer motorway cruises (>100miles
single).

> So MPG obviously depends how where one lives and how one drives.

Driving style (light or heavy left foot) and type (stop/start or
cruising) have a much greater effect on MPG than ordinary public road
terrain IMHO. Of course if you are off roading that is a whole new
ball game...

> Or is there something wrong with mine. Disco Series II MY2000

Disco II MY2001. It's an ES so all the toys, aircon (in "econ" mode),
ACE, etc etc so probably at the top end of the weight which is around
2.7 tonnes.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
We were both committed manual car drivers before buying our series II disco.
We test drove an automatic 3 years ago and fell in love straight away.
Would never think of driving a manual again. If you're after fuel economy
consider the diesel though - the petrol is thirsty work and uses only
premium unleaded which adds about 10c a litre (fuel in Sydney is around 96
cents a litre right now, so we pay around $1.06 a litre).

"Nikki Cluley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:BE364977.153FE%[email protected]...
> We are looking for a newer Discovery 1998 onwards and have about £10,000
> to
> spend. Had a Discovery V8 for past 7 years, got large twin axle caravan
> plus some horrible kids. Any opinions on sticking with a V8 or going for
> diesel, and going for a late series 1 or early series 2 Discovery.
> Bruce has a preference for the V8 and manual gearbox, as this is what he
> knows and he's a bit set in his ways. I think that a diesel is worth
> looking at, so any comments would be appreciated!
> --
> Nikki
>
> 1990 Discovery V8i
> 1985 Range Rover V8
> 1975 88" Series III 2.25 petrol
> 1979 Series III Lightweight 2.25 petrol
>


 
So Nikki Cluley was, like

> Any opinions on sticking
> with a V8 or going for diesel, and going for a late series 1 or early
> series 2 Discovery.
>

Early Series II Discos were notably weak up to about 2000rpm. Stalled a lot
in town, and towing entailed a lot of clutch slip until you got to the magic
2000 figure. Mine was a 2001 manual; apparently the autos had a better fuel
map, and the problem was addressed on later models. Brilliant engine on the
motorway once you were up to speed, but a pain in the rear everywhere else.
Swapped it for an older V8 P38 and never regretted it. The Disco wasn't
that economical either - about 25mpg overall against 17 for the V8. I'd
advise a test drive - with a couple of tonnes on the back - before you
commit yourself. If you do go for it, get one with SLS - brilliant.

--

Rich

Pas d'elle yeux Rhone que nous


 

"TonyB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> I don't know how you manage 30+ mpg, perhaps you live in the flatlands.
>
> Ahem. Norfolk.
>>
>> Round the hills, and in the traffic, around Sheffield and The Peak
> District
>> I seem to get around 25, best 28, worst 21.
>> So MPG obviously depends how where one lives and how one drives.
>
> Most of my trips are in excess of 20 miles, I rarely do short trips. I
> hardly ever exceed an indicated 75mph either. Usually only one in the car
> and little luggage. It's a 92 200 Tdi with 200k miles and I've not touched
> the engine since I got it at 124k. ( Apart from oil changes and a couple
> of
> water pumps and timing belts natch!)
>>
>> Or is there something wrong with mine. Disco Series II MY2000
>
> Is Series II a bit heavier do I recall?
> TonyB
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Lots of stop go motoring round here,
and many journeys of around 4 to 5 miles
I have seem to think that the mpg decreases dramatically over about 65 mph
on the motorway.
Haven't towed yet, the caravan comes next month.
Series II is heavy at 2880 Kg, Aircon, SLS. 7 seats etc may be that's it.

Or maybe my right foot is heavier than yours

Gerry


 
in article 9c232b3d4d%[email protected], beamendsltd at
[email protected] wrote on 14/2/05 4:40 pm:

> In message <BE364977.153FE%[email protected]>
> Nikki Cluley <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> We are looking for a newer Discovery 1998 onwards and have about £10,000 to
>> spend. Had a Discovery V8 for past 7 years, got large twin axle caravan
>> plus some horrible kids. Any opinions on sticking with a V8 or going for
>> diesel, and going for a late series 1 or early series 2 Discovery.
>> Bruce has a preference for the V8 and manual gearbox, as this is what he
>> knows and he's a bit set in his ways. I think that a diesel is worth
>> looking at, so any comments would be appreciated!
>
> We can probably find a couple of tin helmets to borroe
> while you debate this ;-)
>
> Richard

Got a couple of builders safety hats!
--
Nikki

1990 Discovery V8i
1985 Range Rover V8
1975 88" Series III 2.25 petrol
1979 Series III Lightweight 2.25 petrol

 
in article [email protected], Richard Brookman at
[email protected] wrote on 15/2/05 11:56 am:

> So Nikki Cluley was, like
>
>> Any opinions on sticking
>> with a V8 or going for diesel, and going for a late series 1 or early
>> series 2 Discovery.
>>
>
> Early Series II Discos were notably weak up to about 2000rpm. Stalled a lot
> in town, and towing entailed a lot of clutch slip until you got to the magic
> 2000 figure.
Was it petrol or diesel?

>Mine was a 2001 manual; apparently the autos had a better fuel
> map, and the problem was addressed on later models. Brilliant engine on the
> motorway once you were up to speed, but a pain in the rear everywhere else.
> Swapped it for an older V8 P38 and never regretted it. The Disco wasn't
> that economical either - about 25mpg overall against 17 for the V8. I'd
> advise a test drive - with a couple of tonnes on the back - before you
> commit yourself. If you do go for it, get one with SLS - brilliant.

--
Nikki

1990 Discovery V8i
1985 Range Rover V8
1975 88" Series III 2.25 petrol
1979 Series III Lightweight 2.25 petrol

 
In message <[email protected]>, TonyB
<[email protected]> writes
>
>"Nikki Cluley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:BE364977.153FE%[email protected]...
>> We are looking for a newer Discovery 1998 onwards and have about £10,000
>to
>> spend. Had a Discovery V8 for past 7 years, got large twin axle caravan
>> plus some horrible kids. Any opinions on sticking with a V8 or going for
>> diesel, and going for a late series 1 or early series 2 Discovery.
>> Bruce has a preference for the V8 and manual gearbox, as this is what he
>> knows and he's a bit set in his ways. I think that a diesel is worth
>> looking at, so any comments would be appreciated!
>
>Well of course you'll get better mileage with the diesel, I get 30mpg + on
>mine and it rarely drops below 28 unless I gun it round town on short hops.
>It'll tow just as well as the V8 I guess but it'll be noiseier and perhaps
>less responsive whether towing or not. Servicing is easier and probably
>cheaper although required more often - every 5k on mine. (1992 200 Tdi now
>with 200k miles on the clock) My engine has never missed a beat and they
>start really easily no matter what the weather. On the downside they always
>emit a puff of black smoke on startup and they are a bit gutless unless you
>tweak the diesel pump up a little - mine still passes MOT with the pump
>tweaked - but one is concious of not being as environmentally friendly as a
>petrol engine would be.
>
>On balance I'd go again for the diesel, they are also much safer in terms of
>fire should a fuel line leak or similar. I guess you need to test drive one!
>TonyB
>
>
Majority of engine fires are caused by break fluid which is far more
flammable than petrol.
--
hugh
Reply to address is valid at the time of posting
 
In message <[email protected]>, TonyB
<[email protected]> writes
>> >
>> I don't know how you manage 30+ mpg, perhaps you live in the flatlands.
>
>Ahem. Norfolk.
>>
>> Round the hills, and in the traffic, around Sheffield and The Peak
>District
>> I seem to get around 25, best 28, worst 21.
>> So MPG obviously depends how where one lives and how one drives.
>
>Most of my trips are in excess of 20 miles, I rarely do short trips. I
>hardly ever exceed an indicated 75mph either. Usually only one in the car
>and little luggage. It's a 92 200 Tdi with 200k miles and I've not touched
>the engine since I got it at 124k. ( Apart from oil changes and a couple of
>water pumps and timing belts natch!)
>>
>> Or is there something wrong with mine. Disco Series II MY2000
>
>Is Series II a bit heavier do I recall?
>TonyB
>>
>>
>>
>
>
I got better mpg in my 90 200 TDi than people quote for TD5
--
hugh
Reply to address is valid at the time of posting
 
In message <BE364977.153FE%[email protected]>, Nikki Cluley
<[email protected]> writes
>We are looking for a newer Discovery 1998 onwards and have about £10,000 to
>spend. Had a Discovery V8 for past 7 years, got large twin axle caravan
>plus some horrible kids. Any opinions on sticking with a V8 or going for
>diesel, and going for a late series 1 or early series 2 Discovery.
>Bruce has a preference for the V8 and manual gearbox, as this is what he
>knows and he's a bit set in his ways. I think that a diesel is worth
>looking at, so any comments would be appreciated!
Doesn't he like autos - or is it a case of I don't like them cos I've
never had one.
V8, lpg, auto and fit a cruise control - magic for towing.
--
hugh
Reply to address is valid at the time of posting
 
So Nikki Cluley was, like

> in article [email protected], Richard Brookman at
> [email protected] wrote on 15/2/05 11:56 am:
>
>> So Nikki Cluley was, like
>>
>>> Any opinions on sticking
>>> with a V8 or going for diesel, and going for a late series 1 or
>>> early series 2 Discovery.
>>>
>>
>> Early Series II Discos were notably weak up to about 2000rpm.
>> Stalled a lot in town, and towing entailed a lot of clutch slip
>> until you got to the magic 2000 figure.
> Was it petrol or diesel?

Sorry, Td5 manual diesel, should have said. We all know the V8s have got
plenty!

--

Rich

Pas d'elle yeux Rhone que nous


 
in article [email protected], hugh at hugh@[127.0.0.1]
wrote on 15/2/05 10:18 pm:

> In message <BE364977.153FE%[email protected]>, Nikki Cluley
> <[email protected]> writes
>> We are looking for a newer Discovery 1998 onwards and have about £10,000 to
>> spend. Had a Discovery V8 for past 7 years, got large twin axle caravan
>> plus some horrible kids. Any opinions on sticking with a V8 or going for
>> diesel, and going for a late series 1 or early series 2 Discovery.
>> Bruce has a preference for the V8 and manual gearbox, as this is what he
>> knows and he's a bit set in his ways. I think that a diesel is worth
>> looking at, so any comments would be appreciated!
> Doesn't he like autos - or is it a case of I don't like them cos I've
> never had one.
> V8, lpg, auto and fit a cruise control - magic for towing.

No he's had auto's - various models of jaguar cars. Never had to tow a
caravan to accomodate 2 adults and four kids when we had them. I think his
preference for the manual was that was what we'd got, and what he was used
to.

Any way thanks for the advice. We went to look at a 2000 Discovery GS model
today in Epsom Green - auto V8, 1 owner with full service history, just had
60,000 mile service and we've decided to have it.

Got to get rid of the surplus vehicles as it looks like a garage forecourt
outside our house! The RR is for sale(will post further details in the
morning) as will be the Series 3, once we've got the half shaft sorted out,
and replaced the carb which Bruce has "borrowed" to put on the lightweight.
MOT needs sorting out on it too.

Going to keep the other Discovery for now as we've got to transfer the
registration plate, its just had an engine overhaul and we've had it a long
time and are quite attached to it.
--
Nikki

1990 Discovery V8i
1985 Range Rover V8
1975 88" Series III 2.25 petrol
1979 Series III Lightweight 2.25 petrol

 
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