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On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 14:43:56 +0100, Tom Woods <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Why not buy an ex-hire boat and remodel/rebuild it to your liking?.
>Seems a lot cheaper than buying a new one

The amount of work to strip out a narrowboat that has been severely
abused is not really worth what little may be saved. Plus you're
getting an old tub designed for idiots to crash into bridges, rather
than something at least built with some integrity to a traditional
design.


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of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
 

"Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 21:46:47 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 21:42:25 +0100, Tom Woods <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>buy a transit van instead! They look the same anyhow! :p
>>>(maybe one day the disco 3 will grow on me, but it hasnt yet!)
>>
>>Drive one.
>
> As soon as i find someone willing to let me drive one i will.
>
> I've never been to a new car dealer to try a car before - I dont think
> i look like someone with the means to buy a new disco.
>
> Bit too new for my liking anyhow! give it 20 years and i'll consider
> one! :)

You might as well throw caution to the wind and get your mits on one now
because in twenty years time we will all be working at home and roller
skating to fetch the groceries and cycling long distance, that is if Tesco
has any oil left to fill its lorries and if at least a third of us are left
after the first great 21st Century flu pandemic.

Huw


 
Mother wrote:

> There are numerous benefits to having one built - not least in that
> you have the opportunity (as I'm sorely tempted to opt for) to find
> and rebuild an original engine. I do like the Lister, but could be
> open to other suggestions depending upon what comes up. Knowing that
> I'll spend a silly amount of money having it rebuilt makes it more
> flexible to find the 'right' engine.

Don't you want a nice triple expansion steam engine ?

Steve
 
Mother wrote:
> There are numerous benefits to having one built - not least in that
> you have the opportunity (as I'm sorely tempted to opt for) to find
> and rebuild an original engine.

How many HP ? 2-3 ?

Steve
 
On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 16:48:06 +0100, Steve Taylor
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> There are numerous benefits to having one built - not least in that
>> you have the opportunity (as I'm sorely tempted to opt for) to find
>> and rebuild an original engine.
>
>How many HP ? 2-3 ?

What's wrong with a real 'orse?

Mind, fecking impossible these days as most towpaths are either
unsuitable or blocked off to stop the chavs and scallies on their
motorbikes init...


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
 
On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 15:00:02 +0100, Huw wrote:

> You might as well throw caution to the wind and get your mits on one
> now because in twenty years time we will all be working at home and
> roller skating to fetch the groceries and cycling long distance,
> that is if Tesco has any oil left to fill its lorries and if at
> least a third of us are left after the first great 21st Century flu
> pandemic.

What a cheerfull chap. B-(

But with more than a little hint of the truth I'm afraid.

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Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
Mother wrote:

> What's wrong with a real 'orse?
>
> Mind, fecking impossible these days as most towpaths are either
> unsuitable or blocked off to stop the chavs and scallies on their
> motorbikes init...

And do you REALLY want to walk tunnels ?

Steve
 

"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message >
> There are numerous benefits to having one built - not least in that
> you have the opportunity (as I'm sorely tempted to opt for) to find
> and rebuild an original engine. I do like the Lister, but could be
> open to other suggestions depending upon what comes up. Knowing that
> I'll spend a silly amount of money having it rebuilt makes it more
> flexible to find the 'right' engine.
>
> I also want an internal engine room - which makes a readybuilt 60 tug
> seem less likely (thought about buying a 40 and having it extended,
> though).
>
>
> --
Well its certainly do-able but its probably cheaper to start out with more
or less what you need . Karenina has the bmc under the large rear deck
which is about 8ft stern to bulkhead through the doorway into rear cabin
then a bulkhead to washroom and head , next bulkhead - into galley which is
separated from the forward cabin ( folding settee bed for guests )by an
island type cupboard the heater is a nice cast iron pot belly stove which
is dead handy for doing stews while you cruise. Chris (a welder by trade) is
building his own the main problem being getting the correct plans for the
bows I would have a try but frankly my cad is worse than my welding I gather
he has it solved now.
Derek


 
On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 16:32:18 +0100, Steve Taylor wrote:

>> (as I'm sorely tempted to opt for) to find and rebuild an original
>> engine. I do like the Lister, but could be open to other
>> suggestions depending upon what comes up. Knowing that I'll spend
>> a silly amount of money having it rebuilt makes it more flexible to
>> find the 'right' engine.

uk.rec.engines.stationary is just over there --->

Ok they are mostly agriculural engines but there is a least one
commercial boaty type in there.

> Don't you want a nice triple expansion steam engine ?

Don't mention the hot fog brigade though, it's all internal fire with
the occasional jet or gas turbine. B-)

--
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Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:47:14 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>uk.rec.engines.stationary is just over there --->

No it isn't, it's a dozen or so groups down in my newsclient... :)

I've been following for a while, a few interesting threads, along with
some who make even the most severe rivetcounting Land Rover anoraks
look like vandals...


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
 
Mother wrote:

> I've been following for a while, a few interesting threads, along with
> some who make even the most severe rivetcounting Land Rover anoraks
> look like vandals...

Get away ?

Steve
 
On or around Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:17:57 +0100, Steve Taylor
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Mother wrote:
>
>> What's wrong with a real 'orse?
>>
>> Mind, fecking impossible these days as most towpaths are either
>> unsuitable or blocked off to stop the chavs and scallies on their
>> motorbikes init...
>
>And do you REALLY want to walk tunnels ?

's one of those things you'd have to try once. But no, legging through
tunnels sounds like hard work, as a habit.

BTW, WRT engines: BMC 2.2

they fitted 'em to black cabs for a while. One of the cab types in Brum had
a narrow boat with one in. Other cab types, on viewing same, said "'ere,
how come you've got a cab engine in yer boat?" to which our hero replied
"You'd so better asking how come you've got a boat engine in yer cab".


But there's not a lot to beat the traditional lister. You gonna cheat and
have bow thrusters on it?
--
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"Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; and
therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee"
John Donne (1571? - 1631) Devotions, XVII
 
In message <dOE%[email protected]>, Derek
<[email protected]> writes
>
>"Will Wilkinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In message <[email protected]>, Mother <"@
>> {mother} @"@101fc.net> writes
>> >On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 21:53:40 GMT, "Derek"
>> ><[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >>> Irrelevant anyway as Charlotte doesn't like it, so we're buying a
>> >>> narrowboat instead...
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>Funny you should say that how big 40 ft enough or do you fancy the full
>> >>monty?
>> >
>> >70 is too big, 40 too small. I'm after a decent 60ish recently built,
>> >or a sailaway, failing that I'm having a 62 'tug' built for the end of
>> >next year (eariest I reckon they can complete if I order Feb 06).
>> >Also want a traditional Lister or like engine. Prefer a trad stern,
>> >but may accept a half decent semi-trad design on an already built.
>> >
>> >
>> Almost exactly what I'm hoping to have in a few years time. We've got a
>> 1/12th share in a 58' semi-Trad at the moment and are looking to buy
>> something around 40' in the next 6 months to give us more cruising time
>> while we look for our ideal boat, if we don't find it in 3 years then
>> we'll have one built - ideally 58' tug with a Kelvin engine (if I can
>> find a good one - hens teeth and all that).
>>
>> Will
>> '98 110 Defender CSW
>> 1/12 NB Sometimes
>> --
>If you want I'll check with Chris he is in the middle of a build when he
>gets done his current boat will be up for sale well fitted out IIRC shower
>and flush head BMC diesel , sorry I haven't got a piccy of it at the
>moment- its the sister boat to my mothers and moored next to hers at Marple
>Derek
>
>
Any details? Length, style etc. I've got a 38' trad to look at this
week, 1984 colecraft hull, 1.5 BMC. Looks good on the broker's website,
plus comes with new BSC which is a plus.

Will
'98 110 Defender CSW 300Tdi
1/12 NB Sometimes
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On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:37:30 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>You gonna cheat and have bow thrusters on it?

Until someone can convince me of any need for such, no.


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
 
On or around Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:44:23 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:

>On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:37:30 +0100, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>You gonna cheat and have bow thrusters on it?
>
>Until someone can convince me of any need for such, no.

depends on your boat-manoeuvring skills, I think. Although I imagine it
could be a handy gadget to have.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"There are three sorts of people in the world - those who can count,
and those who can't" (Anon)
 
On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 18:16:25 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>Until someone can convince me of any need for such, no.
>
>depends on your boat-manoeuvring skills, I think. Although I imagine it
>could be a handy gadget to have.

The _only_ time anyone would possibly 'need' bowthrusters is going to
be when on some quite strong tidal rivers - and only then if their
main engine isn't really powerful enough to do the job from the back*.

I would argue strongly that they are _never_ needed on a canal. The
only real caveat to this would be for those occasions where there is
only one person on the boat, trying to moor into a storm force wind.



* in which case they shouldn't be there in the first place IMO.


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
 
On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 19:25:06 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 18:16:25 +0100, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>Until someone can convince me of any need for such, no.
>>
>>depends on your boat-manoeuvring skills, I think. Although I imagine it
>>could be a handy gadget to have.
>
>The _only_ time anyone would possibly 'need' bowthrusters is going to
>be when on some quite strong tidal rivers - and only then if their
>main engine isn't really powerful enough to do the job from the back*.
>
>I would argue strongly that they are _never_ needed on a canal. The
>only real caveat to this would be for those occasions where there is
>only one person on the boat, trying to moor into a storm force wind.
>

Or a lazy rich bugger who can't be bothered to do it properly?

Alex
 
On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 20:39:20 GMT, Alex <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Or a lazy rich bugger who can't be bothered to do it properly?

Yeah, the waterways are full of early retired wannabe boatmen.
They usually complain about hirers, moor badly, and spend all day
polishing their brasswork. Hey! I've turned into Tim Hobbs :)

--
Bit sad that we still, in this age of communications, have
so many folk who wear blinkers and are convinced that the
whole world is the same as their own extremely limited view
of it. Peter G Strangman (obit) 1999-07-08
 
On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 22:11:23 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 20:39:20 GMT, Alex <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Or a lazy rich bugger who can't be bothered to do it properly?
>
>Yeah, the waterways are full of early retired wannabe boatmen.
>They usually complain about hirers, moor badly, and spend all day
>polishing their brasswork. Hey! I've turned into Tim Hobbs :)

Not feeling yourself?

Makes a change....


--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'03 Volvo V70
 
How do you convert a Disco into a narrow boat? Does it have to be a
Commercial? Is it reversible?
--
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