Discovery 2 winch bumper

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Dad

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• Feb 14, 2006

• #1

Hi all.
Would anybody know if the dimensions of the bodywork on a discovery 1
is the same as a discovery 2.
The reason I ask is that I need a winch bumper, but the only one I like the
look of is the tubular type, though they arn't for the disco 2, I expect
this is just down to a lack of crush cans, however I am not sure of the
dimensions between early and late discoverys, if they are the same, then no
problems. Also would anyone know of a way to disable the airbag system while
playing off road, just in case I do go down this route?

 

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Simon Isaacs

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• Feb 14, 2006

• #2

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 06:51:22 GMT, "Dad" <[email protected]>
scribbled the following nonsense:

>Hi all.
> Would anybody know if the dimensions of the bodywork on a discovery 1
>is the same as a discovery 2.
>The reason I ask is that I need a winch bumper, but the only one I like the
>look of is the tubular type, though they arn't for the disco 2, I expect
>this is just down to a lack of crush cans, however I am not sure of the
>dimensions between early and late discoverys, if they are the same, then no
>problems. Also would anyone know of a way to disable the airbag system while
>playing off road, just in case I do go down this route?
>

ISTR reading in one comic that while the panels from 200 and 300
Discos can be changed, the only only panel which was directly carreid
over from the D1 to D2 with no changes was the tailgate. Although
they look similar body wise, each panel is just slightly different.
--

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Dave Liquorice

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• Feb 14, 2006

• #3

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 06:51:22 GMT, Dad wrote:

> Also would anyone know of a way to disable the airbag system while
> playing off road, just in case I do go down this route?

I was under the impression that airbags don't fire unless you had fairly
head on collision and with vehicle speed above about 30mph.

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Dad

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• Feb 14, 2006

• #4

"Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> I was under the impression that airbags don't fire unless you had fairly
> head on collision and with vehicle speed above about 30mph.
>
This is more or less my understanding, however I suspect that a winch bumper
without the crush cans would transmit any impact force direct to the chassis
and set the air bags earlier, don't fancy paying a grand or more to sort air
bags due to a recoiling snapped strop or winch rope, hence the ability to
disable the airbags would be handy.
[email protected]
> Dave. pam is missing e-mail
>
>
>

 

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Dave Liquorice

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• Feb 14, 2006

• #5

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:02:12 GMT, Dad wrote:

>> I was under the impression that airbags don't fire unless you had
>> fairly head on collision and with vehicle speed above about 30mph.
>
> This is more or less my understanding, however I suspect that a winch
> bumper without the crush cans would transmit any impact force direct to
> the chassis and set the air bags earlier, ...

But the vehicle won't be traveling, or rather think it's travelling at,
30mph will it?

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Dad

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• Feb 14, 2006

• #6

"Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote in message

Not too sure about this one as am not that familliar with the exact system,
however most don't use the speed, rather measure the force applied to the
vehicle, that way if you are parked with the engine running and hit head on
by another vehicle at speed, you are still protected.

> But the vehicle won't be traveling, or rather think it's travelling at,
> 30mph will it?
>
> --
> Cheers [email protected]
> Dave. pam is missing e-mail
>
>
>

 

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beamendsltd

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• Feb 14, 2006

• #7

In message <[email protected]>
"Dad" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Not too sure about this one as am not that familliar with the exact system,
> however most don't use the speed, rather measure the force applied to the
> vehicle, that way if you are parked with the engine running and hit head on
> by another vehicle at speed, you are still protected.
>
> > But the vehicle won't be traveling, or rather think it's travelling at,
> > 30mph will it?
> >
> > --
> > Cheers [email protected]
> > Dave. pam is missing e-mail
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Dave L is right - it's done with accelerometers - a slight bump,
or in LR's case a jolt off-road, shouldn't set the bags off.

There's an interesting bit of film of a prototype Discovery being
driven "into" a trench about 1ft wide to test that the bags dont go
off at low speed.

Richard
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Dougal

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• Feb 14, 2006

• #8

beamendsltd wrote:
> In message <[email protected]>
> "Dad" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>"Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>>Not too sure about this one as am not that familliar with the exact system,
>>however most don't use the speed, rather measure the force applied to the
>>vehicle, that way if you are parked with the engine running and hit head on
>>by another vehicle at speed, you are still protected.
>>
>>
>>>But the vehicle won't be traveling, or rather think it's travelling at,
>>>30mph will it?
>>>
>>>--
>>>Cheers [email protected]
>>>Dave. pam is missing e-mail
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Dave L is right - it's done with accelerometers - a slight bump,
> or in LR's case a jolt off-road, shouldn't set the bags off.
>
> There's an interesting bit of film of a prototype Discovery being
> driven "into" a trench about 1ft wide to test that the bags dont go
> off at low speed.
>
> Richard

I saw that one, too. My recollection was that the speed wasn't that low
either. If Dad(Simon) has seen it he would have no concerns.

 

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Richard Brookman

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• Feb 14, 2006

• #9

....and Dougal spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...

>>
>> There's an interesting bit of film of a prototype Discovery being
>> driven "into" a trench about 1ft wide to test that the bags dont go
>> off at low speed.
>>
>> Richard
>
> I saw that one, too. My recollection was that the speed wasn't that
> low either. If Dad(Simon) has seen it he would have no concerns.

Link?

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==============================

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binary and those who don't.

 

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Rob Hunt

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• Feb 14, 2006

• #10

I looked into this when I owned a Disco2. The Width of a series 2 is greater
than a series 1 and the winch bumpers will not fit.

I understand that if you buy a winch bumper not designed for airbags then
the problem caused is that they will not fire in an accident rather than
false triggers off road. I trialled and played with my disco 2 over some
rough terrain and never had a problem with airbags.

Rob
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"Dad" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi all.
> Would anybody know if the dimensions of the bodywork on a discovery 1
> is the same as a discovery 2.
> The reason I ask is that I need a winch bumper, but the only one I like
the
> look of is the tubular type, though they arn't for the disco 2, I expect
> this is just down to a lack of crush cans, however I am not sure of the
> dimensions between early and late discoverys, if they are the same, then
no
> problems. Also would anyone know of a way to disable the airbag system
while
> playing off road, just in case I do go down this route?
>
>

 

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Dave Liquorice

Guest

• Feb 14, 2006

• #11

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:05:47 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd wrote:

> Dave L is right - it's done with accelerometers - a slight bump,
> or in LR's case a jolt off-road, shouldn't set the bags off.

Some one needs to ask LR... I'm not that keen on airbags, I've got used
to sitting inches away from a small bomb but I still don't like it.

I much prefer a properly fitted belt, ie lap belt low down across my hips
with just trousers and underwear between it and me, diagonal belt with as
little as possible between it and me across chest and shoulder. When I
argued with a wall and flipped Mondeo the airbags didn't go off but I was
held firmly, if not forceably, into the seat, very little slack in the
belt. I've got the kids to tuck the lap belt well down, need to educate
SWMBO'd at some point.

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