disco brakes

I'm sure I've already asked this one, but I forget the answer; however, I'm
actually going to be doing this soon, so...


1) If I want to make our disco one into vented front discs, then do I just
need the vented discs and the appropriate calipers? (the existing calipers
are in need of either replacement or major overhaul, so spacer kit not
really appropriate)?

2) Do the vented type ones use the same pads as the later solid type ones,
i.e. the pads with 2 oval holes in the tops - corresponding to DA4157 it
says on the one box, or LP481 on the Lockheed box. I've a choice of unused
spare pads: one set of EBC green and one set of lockheed; so fitting
calipers/discs which aren't compatible wouldn't really be all that sensible.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"You praise the firm restraint with which they write -_
I'm with you there, of course: They use the snaffle and the bit
alright, but where's the bloody horse? - Roy Campbell (1902-1957)

Austin Hi,

AFAIK you can use non vented pads with the vented disks/calipers.
Remember to buy new pads retaining kit since the shafts on those are longer
so as to accomodate for the wider calipers.

Spacers and a set of seals and new pistons may prove to be significantly
cheaper than new vented calipers but then again our friend Beamends may do
his magic by offering something interesting.

Take care
Pantelis


"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I'm sure I've already asked this one, but I forget the answer; however,
I'm
> actually going to be doing this soon, so...
>
>
> 1) If I want to make our disco one into vented front discs, then do I just
> need the vented discs and the appropriate calipers? (the existing
calipers
> are in need of either replacement or major overhaul, so spacer kit not
> really appropriate)?
>
> 2) Do the vented type ones use the same pads as the later solid type ones,
> i.e. the pads with 2 oval holes in the tops - corresponding to DA4157 it
> says on the one box, or LP481 on the Lockheed box. I've a choice of
unused
> spare pads: one set of EBC green and one set of lockheed; so fitting
> calipers/discs which aren't compatible wouldn't really be all that
sensible.
>
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> "You praise the firm restraint with which they write -_
> I'm with you there, of course: They use the snaffle and the bit
> alright, but where's the bloody horse? - Roy Campbell (1902-1957)

In message <[email protected]>
"Pantelis Giamarellos" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Austin Hi,
>
> AFAIK you can use non vented pads with the vented disks/calipers.
> Remember to buy new pads retaining kit since the shafts on those are longer
> so as to accomodate for the wider calipers.
>
> Spacers and a set of seals and new pistons may prove to be significantly
> cheaper than new vented calipers but then again our friend Beamends may do
> his magic by offering something interesting.
>
> Take care
> Pantelis
>

OEM Snorkels for Defender 200Tdi or 300Tdi/Td5 for =A368.15 inc VAT?

Oh, I see what you mean ;-)

(Well, you've got to try......)

The STC9191 and ST9190 pads we have in are identical, except
that one is Lockheed and one is Mintex. However, it's not like
the LR aftermarket to list and stock two parts when one will
do, so I suspect there is a difference in the friction material
that may be significant.

Other than that, as Austin says, the fitting kit is the only
visible difference apart from the spacer on axles with the
STC9191 type calipers - which I think have metric fixings
rather than Imperial, but don't quote me on that.

Strangely, new vented calipers are =A310.00 cheaper than non vented
for pre 93 Discoveries at =A370.50.

Richard

>
> "Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > I'm sure I've already asked this one, but I forget the answer; however,
> I'm
> > actually going to be doing this soon, so...
> >
> >
> > 1) If I want to make our disco one into vented front discs, then do I just
> > need the vented discs and the appropriate calipers? (the existing
> calipers
> > are in need of either replacement or major overhaul, so spacer kit not
> > really appropriate)?
> >
> > 2) Do the vented type ones use the same pads as the later solid type ones,
> > i.e. the pads with 2 oval holes in the tops - corresponding to DA4157 it
> > says on the one box, or LP481 on the Lockheed box. I've a choice of
> unused
> > spare pads: one set of EBC green and one set of lockheed; so fitting
> > calipers/discs which aren't compatible wouldn't really be all that
> sensible.
> >
> > --
> > Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> > "You praise the firm restraint with which they write -_
> > I'm with you there, of course: They use the snaffle and the bit
> > alright, but where's the bloody horse? - Roy Campbell (1902-1957)
>
>

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On or around Thu, 18 May 2006 17:12:59 +0100, beamendsltd
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>OEM Snorkels for Defender 200Tdi or 300Tdi/Td5 for =A368.15 inc VAT?
>
>Oh, I see what you mean ;-)
>
>(Well, you've got to try......)
>
>The STC9191 and ST9190 pads we have in are identical, except
>that one is Lockheed and one is Mintex. However, it's not like
>the LR aftermarket to list and stock two parts when one will
>do, so I suspect there is a difference in the friction material
>that may be significant.

I've a set of EBC green that I fancy putting on...

>Strangely, new vented calipers are =A310.00 cheaper than non vented
>for pre 93 Discoveries at =A370.50.

bloddy hell, you nearly gave me a wallet attack. I read the 3 as part of
the price...

OK, with the knowledge that STC9191 and 9190 are much the same thing...

Can you confirm the parts listed below match up?

vehicle is MA146556

Vented front brakes:

FTC902 vented disc
RTC6776/RTC6777 caliper pair
STC8575 fitting kit

rear brakes

FTC1381 disc
STC1264/STC1265 caliper later axles[1]
STC8574 fitting kit

Hose kit

BEK2009 in a variety of colours... I assume it's a whole-vehicle kit?

[1] you and Paddock disagree about the axle numbers, Paddock say 38S... and
you say 28S... what's the difference between the calipers and do they
interchange? and who's right about the axle numbers?


--
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"Festina Lente" (Hasten slowly) Suetonius (c.70-c.140) Augustus, 25

In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Thu, 18 May 2006 17:12:59 +0100, beamendsltd
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >OEM Snorkels for Defender 200Tdi or 300Tdi/Td5 for =A368.15 inc VAT?
> >
> >Oh, I see what you mean ;-)
> >
> >(Well, you've got to try......)
> >
> >The STC9191 and ST9190 pads we have in are identical, except
> >that one is Lockheed and one is Mintex. However, it's not like
> >the LR aftermarket to list and stock two parts when one will
> >do, so I suspect there is a difference in the friction material
> >that may be significant.
>
> I've a set of EBC green that I fancy putting on...
>
> >Strangely, new vented calipers are =A310.00 cheaper than non vented
> >for pre 93 Discoveries at =A370.50.
>
> bloddy hell, you nearly gave me a wallet attack. I read the 3 as part of
> the price...

Don't know what happened there - the £ sign usually works ok!

>
> OK, with the knowledge that STC9191 and 9190 are much the same thing...
>
> Can you confirm the parts listed below match up?
>
> vehicle is MA146556
>
> Vented front brakes:
>
> FTC902 vented disc
> RTC6776/RTC6777 caliper pair
> STC8575 fitting kit

That's right

>
> rear brakes
>
> FTC1381 disc
> STC1264/STC1265 caliper later axles[1]
> STC8574 fitting kit
>

That's right too.

> Hose kit
>
> BEK2009 in a variety of colours... I assume it's a whole-vehicle kit?

All the brake flexis - not the clutch. Can be had 2" over length,
but along with colours other than black they are made to order and
take about 10 days to be made.

>
> [1] you and Paddock disagree about the axle numbers, Paddock say 38S... and
> you say 28S... what's the difference between the calipers and do they
> interchange? and who's right about the axle numbers?
>
>

It's never easy........ we are right about them being from (A)28S44172D,
and I've just added that they are also from (A)32S2119B on Discovery I's
going by the parts book, but MicroCrap makes no mention of 28S axles
only the 32S's!!

Range Rover Classics use them from (A)37S08651B and (A)35S18189C -
- the Good News is that the RRC 92-94 book specifically states that
these are metric caliper bolts, the previous ones being Imperial,
so that's how to identify them, and they are thus not interchangeable
with drilling, which is a BIG no-no.

Richard



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Boycott the Yorkshire Dales - No Play, No Pay

On or around Fri, 19 May 2006 09:56:48 +0100, beamendsltd
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>>
>> [1] you and Paddock disagree about the axle numbers, Paddock say 38S... and
>> you say 28S... what's the difference between the calipers and do they
>> interchange? and who's right about the axle numbers?
>>
>>
>
>It's never easy........ we are right about them being from (A)28S44172D,
>and I've just added that they are also from (A)32S2119B on Discovery I's
>going by the parts book, but MicroCrap makes no mention of 28S axles
>only the 32S's!!

hehe. I suppose there's no such thing as 38S axles?
>
>Range Rover Classics use them from (A)37S08651B and (A)35S18189C -
>- the Good News is that the RRC 92-94 book specifically states that
>these are metric caliper bolts, the previous ones being Imperial,
>so that's how to identify them, and they are thus not interchangeable
>with drilling, which is a BIG no-no.

OK... so I need to look at the axle number, then? Paddocks reckon that the
relevant date is "around 1993" so the chances are that ours, being '95, is
the later type, but it'll be worth a check.

I'll work out an order in a bit. I assume regular length flexis in black
are stock items? I'm not fussed about colour, they all end up mud coloured
in 5 minutes anyway.

--
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Blue: The sky is blue for a reason. Blue light is a source of strength
and harmony in the cosmos. Create a blue light in your life by
telephoning the police
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In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Fri, 19 May 2006 09:56:48 +0100, beamendsltd
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >>
> >> [1] you and Paddock disagree about the axle numbers, Paddock say 38S... and
> >> you say 28S... what's the difference between the calipers and do they
> >> interchange? and who's right about the axle numbers?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >It's never easy........ we are right about them being from (A)28S44172D,
> >and I've just added that they are also from (A)32S2119B on Discovery I's
> >going by the parts book, but MicroCrap makes no mention of 28S axles
> >only the 32S's!!
>
> hehe. I suppose there's no such thing as 38S axles?

I'm not betting on that...... I've nearly finished putting the
entire Defender catalogue on the site - Discovery's next....

> >
> >Range Rover Classics use them from (A)37S08651B and (A)35S18189C -
> >- the Good News is that the RRC 92-94 book specifically states that
> >these are metric caliper bolts, the previous ones being Imperial,
> >so that's how to identify them, and they are thus not interchangeable
> >with drilling, which is a BIG no-no.
>
> OK... so I need to look at the axle number, then? Paddocks reckon that the
> relevant date is "around 1993" so the chances are that ours, being '95, is
> the later type, but it'll be worth a check.

That would seem to be correct.

>
> I'll work out an order in a bit. I assume regular length flexis in black
> are stock items? I'm not fussed about colour, they all end up mud coloured
> in 5 minutes anyway.

Usually!

>

Richard

--
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RISC-OS - Where have all the good guys gone?
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"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I'm sure I've already asked this one, but I forget the answer; however,
> I'm
> actually going to be doing this soon, so...
>
>
> 1) If I want to make our disco one into vented front discs, then do I just
> need the vented discs and the appropriate calipers? (the existing
> calipers
> are in need of either replacement or major overhaul, so spacer kit not
> really appropriate)?
>
> 2) Do the vented type ones use the same pads as the later solid type ones,
> i.e. the pads with 2 oval holes in the tops - corresponding to DA4157 it
> says on the one box, or LP481 on the Lockheed box. I've a choice of
> unused
> spare pads: one set of EBC green and one set of lockheed; so fitting
> calipers/discs which aren't compatible wouldn't really be all that
> sensible.
>
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> "You praise the firm restraint with which they write -_
> I'm with you there, of course: They use the snaffle and the bit
> alright, but where's the bloody horse? - Roy Campbell (1902-1957)

Austin:

Why not fit DBA drilled/slotted rotors? I did it works great along with a
set of EBC greens.

Jack

On or around Fri, 19 May 2006 19:16:00 -0400, "Jack" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>
>"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> I'm sure I've already asked this one, but I forget the answer; however,
>> I'm
>> actually going to be doing this soon, so...
>>
>>
>> 1) If I want to make our disco one into vented front discs, then do I just
>> need the vented discs and the appropriate calipers? (the existing
>> calipers
>> are in need of either replacement or major overhaul, so spacer kit not
>> really appropriate)?
>>
>> 2) Do the vented type ones use the same pads as the later solid type ones,
>> i.e. the pads with 2 oval holes in the tops - corresponding to DA4157 it
>> says on the one box, or LP481 on the Lockheed box. I've a choice of
>> unused
>> spare pads: one set of EBC green and one set of lockheed; so fitting
>> calipers/discs which aren't compatible wouldn't really be all that
>> sensible.
>>
>> --
>> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
>> "You praise the firm restraint with which they write -_
>> I'm with you there, of course: They use the snaffle and the bit
>> alright, but where's the bloody horse? - Roy Campbell (1902-1957)
>
>Austin:
>
>Why not fit DBA drilled/slotted rotors? I did it works great along with a
>set of EBC greens.

I'm not convinced that drilled rotors are as strong. I did contemplate it,
and in fact I still am... But the calipers need changing or rebuilding
anyway, and the cost difference (especially if you go for stainless pistons)
is not as big as you might think. So I'm tending towards new calipers 'cos
it's less hassle, and in that case, since the prices are near enough the
same, I may as well go with vented discs.
--
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Soon shall thy arm, unconquered steam! afar Drag the slow barge, or
drive the rapid car; Or on wide-waving wings expanded bear the
flying chariot through the field of air.- Erasmus Darwin (1731-1802)