Defender Continuation

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news.ntlworld.net

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• Nov 4, 2004

• #1

This was sent out from Land Rover today. Good news for the old girl I say!

DEFENDER CONTINUATION

The Company today announced that Defender production would continue into
2008. This further extension to the long life of Defender has been made
possible by the introduction of the Ford Puma engine to replace the Storm
engine in 2006 and by making further modifications to ensure the vehicle is
fully compliant with the new EU regulations coming into effect in 2006.
Additional work is also underway to identify opportunities that could extend
the vehicle life even further. It is expected that the result of this work
will be known early in 2005.

The details of how this announcement impacts on power train components other
than the engine will be communicated early in 2005.

 

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David French

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• Nov 4, 2004

• #2

In article <[email protected]>,
"news.ntlworld.net" <[email protected]> wrote:
> The Company today announced that Defender production would continue into
> 2008. This further extension to the long life of Defender has been made
> possible by the introduction of the Ford Puma engine to replace the Storm
> engine in 2006 and by making further modifications to ensure the vehicle is
> fully compliant with the new EU regulations coming into effect in 2006.

I hope that doesn't mean "the engine out of the Ford Puma"...

 

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Paul S. Brown

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• Nov 4, 2004

• #3

David French wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> "news.ntlworld.net" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> The Company today announced that Defender production would continue into
>> 2008. This further extension to the long life of Defender has been made
>> possible by the introduction of the Ford Puma engine to replace the Storm
>> engine in 2006 and by making further modifications to ensure the vehicle
>> is fully compliant with the new EU regulations coming into effect in
>> 2006.
>
> I hope that doesn't mean "the engine out of the Ford Puma"...

Oh fun - Zetec Defender! Better than a CVH I guess.

I've got this sudden urge to shove the Cologne lump into a landie. Could be
quite useful in its own way.

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Hirsty's

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• Nov 4, 2004

• #4

> >
> > I hope that doesn't mean "the engine out of the Ford Puma"...
>
> Oh fun - Zetec Defender! Better than a CVH I guess.
>


Cosworth Defender ??

 

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Paul S. Brown

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• Nov 4, 2004

• #5

Hirsty's wrote:

>
>
>> >
>> > I hope that doesn't mean "the engine out of the Ford Puma"...
>>
>> Oh fun - Zetec Defender! Better than a CVH I guess.
>>
>
>
> Cosworth Defender ??

Hrmm.

/me wonders if Austin would sell that XR4 to him if he knew it was going to
be stripped for power and drivetrain for a S3 chassis.....

Could get a bit frisky with a 60/40 traction split on an offroader.


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Does it Matter if Nobody Minds?

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Nov 4, 2004

• #6

On or around Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:42:02 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>David French wrote:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "news.ntlworld.net" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> The Company today announced that Defender production would continue into
>>> 2008. This further extension to the long life of Defender has been made
>>> possible by the introduction of the Ford Puma engine to replace the Storm
>>> engine in 2006 and by making further modifications to ensure the vehicle
>>> is fully compliant with the new EU regulations coming into effect in
>>> 2006.
>>
>> I hope that doesn't mean "the engine out of the Ford Puma"...
>
>Oh fun - Zetec Defender! Better than a CVH I guess.
>
>I've got this sudden urge to shove the Cologne lump into a landie. Could be
>quite useful in its own way.

oh yes, they are. You can also get conversion plates from thingy. Steve
Parker, maybe. someone, anyway.

used to be a popular thing to put into a series.

 

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Nige

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• Nov 4, 2004

• #7

"Paul S. Brown" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...

> /me wonders if Austin would sell that XR4 to him if he knew it was going to
> be stripped for power and drivetrain for a S3 chassis.....

Sorry matey, XR4's didn't have an Cossie engine! they either had a 2.8 or 2.9 V6. Ford (BDA onwards)
never went above 2l, until the Scorpio 2.9 V6 Cosworth engine, (that I know of, I have driven many of
them)

Nige

 

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Pantelis Giamarellos

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• Nov 5, 2004

• #8

Sorry but Cosworth now belongs to VAG (Volkswagen Audi Group)

Take care
Pantelis

"Hirsty's" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> > >
> > > I hope that doesn't mean "the engine out of the Ford Puma"...
> >
> > Oh fun - Zetec Defender! Better than a CVH I guess.
> >
>
>
> Cosworth Defender ??
>
>

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Nov 5, 2004

• #9

On or around Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:51:19 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Hirsty's wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>> >
>>> > I hope that doesn't mean "the engine out of the Ford Puma"...
>>>
>>> Oh fun - Zetec Defender! Better than a CVH I guess.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Cosworth Defender ??
>
>Hrmm.
>
>/me wonders if Austin would sell that XR4 to him if he knew it was going to
>be stripped for power and drivetrain for a S3 chassis.....
>
>Could get a bit frisky with a 60/40 traction split on an offroader.

actually, it's 2/3:1/3, not 60/40, AFAIK. and a great system in fact.

 

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Pantelis Giamarellos

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• Nov 5, 2004

• #10

You can always use the engine from a Rover 220/620/820 Ti (turbocharged and
around 200 bhp)
which fits very nicely with the LT and R380 gearbox (remember the same block
is powering the Mpi Discovery)

Take care
Pantelis

"Mr.Nice." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> Twas Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:27:22 +0000 when Austin Shackles
> <[email protected]> put finger to keyboard producing:
>
> >On or around Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:42:02 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
> ><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> >
> >>David French wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article <[email protected]>,
> >>> "news.ntlworld.net" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> The Company today announced that Defender production would continue
into
> >>>> 2008. This further extension to the long life of Defender has been
made
> >>>> possible by the introduction of the Ford Puma engine to replace the
Storm
> >>>> engine in 2006 and by making further modifications to ensure the
vehicle
> >>>> is fully compliant with the new EU regulations coming into effect in
> >>>> 2006.
> >>>
> >>> I hope that doesn't mean "the engine out of the Ford Puma"...
> >>
> >>Oh fun - Zetec Defender! Better than a CVH I guess.
> >>
> >>I've got this sudden urge to shove the Cologne lump into a landie. Could
be
> >>quite useful in its own way.
> >
> >oh yes, they are. You can also get conversion plates from thingy. Steve
> >Parker, maybe. someone, anyway.
> >
> >used to be a popular thing to put into a series.
>
> Has anyone ever put a SAAB engine in a landy?
> My wifes 1990 2.0 turbo goes like stink, I imagine in a swb with the
> right gearing it could be a beauty.
>
>
> Regards.
> Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
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Paul S. Brown

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• Nov 5, 2004

• #11

Nige wrote:

>
> "Paul S. Brown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> /me wonders if Austin would sell that XR4 to him if he knew it was going
>> to be stripped for power and drivetrain for a S3 chassis.....
>
> Sorry matey, XR4's didn't have an Cossie engine! they either had a 2.8 or
> 2.9 V6. Ford (BDA onwards) never went above 2l, until the Scorpio 2.9 V6
> Cosworth engine, (that I know of, I have driven many of them)
>

Umm - the Cologne was available in 2.3 and 2.8l well before the 2.9 cossie,
and the old Kent lump went up to 3l.

And I know the XR4s have only got a souped up cologne, but it's the running
gear I needed mated to it.

p.
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Does it Matter if Nobody Minds?

 

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Paul S. Brown

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• Nov 5, 2004

• #12

Pantelis Giamarellos wrote:

> You can always use the engine from a Rover 220/620/820 Ti (turbocharged
> and around 200 bhp)
> which fits very nicely with the LT and R380 gearbox (remember the same
> block is powering the Mpi Discovery)

Is that the T16 engine?

If it is then I wouldn't touch it with a very long barge pole - the engine
is one of the worst I have ever met.

Nasty weak point on the #4 cylinder allowing a blow through between the
cylinder and the water jacket which is a £800 block skim to fix, and that's
only temporary.

I had a non-turbo 820 with this block and that's what killed it.

P.

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Austin Shackles

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• Nov 5, 2004

• #13

On or around Fri, 05 Nov 2004 20:33:47 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Nige wrote:
>
>>
>> "Paul S. Brown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> /me wonders if Austin would sell that XR4 to him if he knew it was going
>>> to be stripped for power and drivetrain for a S3 chassis.....
>>
>> Sorry matey, XR4's didn't have an Cossie engine! they either had a 2.8 or
>> 2.9 V6. Ford (BDA onwards) never went above 2l, until the Scorpio 2.9 V6
>> Cosworth engine, (that I know of, I have driven many of them)
>>
>
>Umm - the Cologne was available in 2.3 and 2.8l well before the 2.9 cossie,
>and the old Kent lump went up to 3l.

I had a 2.3 granada. nice smooth motor.
>
>And I know the XR4s have only got a souped up cologne, but it's the running
>gear I needed mated to it.

's not all that souped, either. The K-jet injection system takes to 150 BHP
nominal.

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Nov 5, 2004

• #14

On or around Fri, 05 Nov 2004 20:36:01 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>I had a non-turbo 820 with this block and that's what killed it.

The old 820 was an O-series, then later the 16V same as the MPi. M16, I
think, not T.

 

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Paul S. Brown

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• Nov 5, 2004

• #15

Austin Shackles wrote:

> On or around Fri, 05 Nov 2004 20:36:01 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>I had a non-turbo 820 with this block and that's what killed it.
>
> The old 820 was an O-series, then later the 16V same as the MPi. M16, I
> think, not T.

The later ones were still a heap of poo.

The O series wasn't too bad, allowing for it being a 1940s BMC design.

A lot of the old BMC engines had a good bit going for them, I still like
working on As and Bs although the oddities like the 1500 (E serieS??) and
the Maxi 1750 (N was it?) were a bit worse.

Anybody ever fit a C-Series to a land rover?

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Pantelis Giamarellos

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• Nov 6, 2004

• #16

Paul Hi,

This is strange because here in Greece where the ambient temperature is much
higher than in the UK this is NOT a known problem for this engine both on
Rover and Land Rover applications.

Especially the turbocharged version is known as a very sturdy and problem
free engine.

I guess it must be the Greek sun that's making them behave better......
(kidding)

Take care
Pantelis


"Paul S. Brown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Pantelis Giamarellos wrote:
>
> > You can always use the engine from a Rover 220/620/820 Ti (turbocharged
> > and around 200 bhp)
> > which fits very nicely with the LT and R380 gearbox (remember the same
> > block is powering the Mpi Discovery)
>
> Is that the T16 engine?
>
> If it is then I wouldn't touch it with a very long barge pole - the engine
> is one of the worst I have ever met.
>
> Nasty weak point on the #4 cylinder allowing a blow through between the
> cylinder and the water jacket which is a £800 block skim to fix, and
that's
> only temporary.
>
> I had a non-turbo 820 with this block and that's what killed it.
>
> P.
>
> --
> If Mind over Matter is a Matter of Course
> Does it Matter if Nobody Minds?

 

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Pantelis Giamarellos

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• Nov 6, 2004

• #17

I almost forgot it.

LAND ROVER themselves have installed the Mpi 16V four cylinder engine (I
think it was code named the T16 by the way) in the Defender for the Italian
Police (Carabinieri)

Strangely enough most of the vehicles were also fitted with A/C and leather
interior as standard (those Italians know the secret of good life.....)

Take care
Pantelis

"Pantelis Giamarellos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Paul Hi,
>
> This is strange because here in Greece where the ambient temperature is
much
> higher than in the UK this is NOT a known problem for this engine both on
> Rover and Land Rover applications.
>
> Especially the turbocharged version is known as a very sturdy and problem
> free engine.
>
> I guess it must be the Greek sun that's making them behave better......
> (kidding)
>
> Take care
> Pantelis
>
>
> "Paul S. Brown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Pantelis Giamarellos wrote:
> >
> > > You can always use the engine from a Rover 220/620/820 Ti
(turbocharged
> > > and around 200 bhp)
> > > which fits very nicely with the LT and R380 gearbox (remember the same
> > > block is powering the Mpi Discovery)
> >
> > Is that the T16 engine?
> >
> > If it is then I wouldn't touch it with a very long barge pole - the
engine
> > is one of the worst I have ever met.
> >
> > Nasty weak point on the #4 cylinder allowing a blow through between the
> > cylinder and the water jacket which is a £800 block skim to fix, and
> that's
> > only temporary.
> >
> > I had a non-turbo 820 with this block and that's what killed it.
> >
> > P.
> >
> > --
> > If Mind over Matter is a Matter of Course
> > Does it Matter if Nobody Minds?
>
>

 

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Tom Woods

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• Nov 6, 2004

• #18

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 10:16:25 +0000, Mr.Nice.
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Has anyone ever put a SAAB engine in a landy?
>My wifes 1990 2.0 turbo goes like stink, I imagine in a swb with the
>right gearing it could be a beauty.

Assuming that the newer saabs are laid out like my older ones (80-84),
It would be a tricky conversion to get a saab engine fixed onto a
transfer box capable of doing any 4WD.
the saab gearbox is stuck onto the bottom of the engine. I really
doubt a saab gear box would take the punishment of driving a landy
either (I have saab with a blown gearbox in the drive!)

Going the other way however is possibly more feasable. I'm considering
trying to put a rover v8 into a saab (some test saab 99's were made
with triumph V8's in em apparently). As soon as i get the time i'm
gonna compare a saab gearbox to the sump of a v8 and check where stuff
ends up.