Defender back-lash

U

UK

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• Nov 15, 2004

• #1

A Land Rover dealer tried to convince me, that all Defenders have a
back-lash and that it is nearly impossible to get rid of it for good.
Therefore an attempted repair would only be a costly and futile exercise. He
was also insistent, that a back-lash will not get worse and will not do any
harm to the vehicle in future.

I would be interested in your opinion. Thanks.

 

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Dave White

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• Nov 15, 2004

• #2

In <[email protected]> UK wrote:
> A Land Rover dealer tried to convince me, that all Defenders have a
> back-lash and that it is nearly impossible to get rid of it for good.
> Therefore an attempted repair would only be a costly and futile
> exercise. He was also insistent, that a back-lash will not get worse
> and will not do any harm to the vehicle in future.
>
> I would be interested in your opinion. Thanks.

What exactly do you mean by "back-lash" ?

If you mean that it has a bit of slop in the transmission then, your
dealer is right. Nearly every component in the transmission has some
slop designed into it and when it's all added together it can be quite
noticeable if you are not used to driving a vehicle of this kind. The
transmission components haven't changed dramatically for years, in fact
the diffs in the axles aren't very different to Land Rovers built over
50 years ago. To remove the slop you would have to run the diffs with no
back-lash at all which would result in an annoying whining noise
punctuated only by the noise of small pieces of metal trying to find
their way into the bearings.

If you mean slop in the steering then no, there shouldn't be any, at
least with the wheels straight ahead. That is one thing that has changed
in the last 50 odd years.

cheers

Dave W.
http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/

 

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Wayne

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• Nov 15, 2004

• #3

Dave White wrote:

>That is one thing that has changed in the last 50 odd years.

Wagon Wheels are smaller? Thats another thing that has changed.

I'll get me goat...

 

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Huw

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• Nov 15, 2004

• #4

"UK" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>A Land Rover dealer tried to convince me, that all Defenders have a
>back-lash and that it is nearly impossible to get rid of it for good.
>Therefore an attempted repair would only be a costly and futile exercise.
>He was also insistent, that a back-lash will not get worse and will not do
>any harm to the vehicle in future.
>
> I would be interested in your opinion. Thanks.
>

My 110 has had a pronounced backlash for the past 15 of its 20 years. 'If it
ain't broke, don't fix it' is apt in this case. I've just about given up
waiting for mine to break.

huw

 

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Andrew Mawson

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• Nov 15, 2004

• #5

"UK" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> A Land Rover dealer tried to convince me, that all Defenders have a
> back-lash and that it is nearly impossible to get rid of it for good.
> Therefore an attempted repair would only be a costly and futile exercise.
He
> was also insistent, that a back-lash will not get worse and will not do
any
> harm to the vehicle in future.
>
> I would be interested in your opinion. Thanks.
>
>

If by 'a back-lash' you mean a certain amount of play in the transmission,
so the vehicle will rock back and forth a bit when the hand brake is on then
he is correct.

The hand brake is on a brake drum behind the gear box, not on the rear
wheels as in a two wheel drive car, so you have an accumulation of back-lash
in the prop shaft splines, the differential and the half shaft splines. Non
of these will be zero so there sum is also not zero !

AWEM

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Nov 15, 2004

• #6

On or around Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:52:30 +0200, "UK"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>A Land Rover dealer tried to convince me, that all Defenders have a
>back-lash and that it is nearly impossible to get rid of it for good.
>Therefore an attempted repair would only be a costly and futile exercise. He
>was also insistent, that a back-lash will not get worse and will not do any
>harm to the vehicle in future.
>
>I would be interested in your opinion. Thanks.
>

Mind if it's excessive, then on high-mileage axles, you can improve it by
replacing the CV joints.

 

U

UK

Guest

• Nov 16, 2004

• #7

The back-lash has been diagnosed as "Excessive" and it has been traced to
the rear axle (150.000 km) of the left wheel. There is quite some play and
putting the TD5 into gear produces quite a "thud".

Thanks guys - I feel better now.

> What exactly do you mean by "back-lash" ?
>
> If you mean that it has a bit of slop in the transmission then, your
> dealer is right. Nearly every component in the transmission has some
> slop designed into it and when it's all added together it can be quite
> noticeable if you are not used to driving a vehicle of this kind. The
> transmission components haven't changed dramatically for years, in fact
> the diffs in the axles aren't very different to Land Rovers built over
> 50 years ago. To remove the slop you would have to run the diffs with no
> back-lash at all which would result in an annoying whining noise
> punctuated only by the noise of small pieces of metal trying to find
> their way into the bearings.
>
> If you mean slop in the steering then no, there shouldn't be any, at
> least with the wheels straight ahead. That is one thing that has changed
> in the last 50 odd years.
>
> cheers
>
> Dave W.
> http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/

 

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Richard

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• Nov 16, 2004

• #8

and Mars bars


"Wayne" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%[email protected]...
> Dave White wrote:
>
>>That is one thing that has changed in the last 50 odd years.
>
> Wagon Wheels are smaller? Thats another thing that has changed.
>
> I'll get me goat...

 

U

UK

Guest

• Nov 17, 2004

• #9

Thanks everybody. I will replace the CV joints.