Clutch master cylinder problems!

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Olafur Agust

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I´ve had a LandRover for around 8 years now and love them to death.
But sometimes I get frustrated, very frustrated! This is one of those
times.

The master clutch cylinder gave up around 10 months ago and I replaced
with a new one (unknown brand). For some reason it also gave up after
a month or so. Now seven months later the third one is giving up. WHY?
The first two started to leak fluid into the footwell. The third one
has not leaked, which is strange, but behaviour has been exactly the
same, started to declutch closer and closer to the floor until nothing
happened. Took a few days from start to end.

I took it a part tonight and it was full of aluminium swarf mixed with
the fluid and scratched on the inside.

Am I installing the cylinders wrong or are they just crap? How could
they destroy themself like this? Is there a real trick or something to
really look out for when installing them?

Im almost giving up on this and getting a Toyota! :)
 
Olafur Agust wrote:

> I´ve had a LandRover for around 8 years now and love them to death.
> But sometimes I get frustrated, very frustrated! This is one of those
> times.
>
> The master clutch cylinder gave up around 10 months ago and I replaced
> with a new one (unknown brand). For some reason it also gave up after
> a month or so. Now seven months later the third one is giving up. WHY?
> The first two started to leak fluid into the footwell. The third one
> has not leaked, which is strange, but behaviour has been exactly the
> same, started to declutch closer and closer to the floor until nothing
> happened. Took a few days from start to end.
>
> I took it a part tonight and it was full of aluminium swarf mixed with
> the fluid and scratched on the inside.
>
> Am I installing the cylinders wrong or are they just crap? How could
> they destroy themself like this? Is there a real trick or something to
> really look out for when installing them?
>
> Im almost giving up on this and getting a Toyota! :)

Nothing particularly special about installing them, although it is possible
that the cylinders you are buying are poor quality. Other than this the
most likely problem is that you are not maintaining the meticulous
cleanliness necessary in installing and bleeding the system. Any traces of
dust, oil or water can lead to rapid deterioration of any hydraulic brake
system, but in my experience the Landrover clutch system is no more
susceptible to this than any other.
 
Olafur Agust wrote:

> Im almost giving up on this and getting a Toyota! :)

Surely you're buying poor components - sounds like you've got a couple of
m/c s that never had their barrels cleaned out after machining?

Take your next new one apart before fitting to check on it. And see if you
can get hold of a genuine part.

Regards

William MacLeod
 
Why drunk and or delerious one of the group members swore and cursed by
saying:-

>
> Im almost giving up on this and getting a Toyota! :)

Is there a moderator? We cannot have such strong swearing on the group. :))

I have a friend who is a Funeral Director who has a Toyota Landcruiser and
his Starter Motor went a few weeks ago, his is a special imported vehicle
from Saudi Arabia, the cheapest starter motor was £450 not including VAT and
fitting.

I suspect my Disco at £150 is much cheaper. Yeah LandCruisers can be more
reliable and hard wearing but when they go wrong they cost big time. The
insurance will reflect that. Also consider that he bought his1993 K plate
Landcrusier for £8000 and his wife would kill him if he ever went off road
in it (I hasten to add that price was only in October last year) so a Disco
would cost you less to purchase as well second hand. .

Andrew Renshaw still looking for a cheap series 3 or 110 with 12 seats for
less than £1000 (must have an MOT and Tax)



 
Twas Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:42:18 GMT when William MacLeod
<[email protected]> put finger to keyboard producing:

>Olafur Agust wrote:
>
>> Im almost giving up on this and getting a Toyota! :)
>
>Surely you're buying poor components - sounds like you've got a couple of
>m/c s that never had their barrels cleaned out after machining?
>
>Take your next new one apart before fitting to check on it. And see if you
>can get hold of a genuine part.
>
>Regards
>
>William MacLeod

my thoughts exactly.

I fitted a new clutch master a couple of months ago and it was a cheap
pattern part, no problems yet but I didn't take it apart and chack it
out first so I may well be fitting another.


Regards.
Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
--
___________________________________________________________
You need only two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape.
If it doesn't move and it should, use WD-40.
If it moves and shouldn't, use the duct tape.
www.markvarleyphoto.co.uk - 1984 110 CSW 2.5(na)D
___________________________________________________________



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Mr Nice,

Is that you in cornwall. Sorry about the Land ROver man it is just outside
of my price bracket otherwise I would be in my Disco coming down to you now.

Andrew

P.S. I would never get jap crap.


"Mr.Nice." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Twas Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:42:18 GMT when William MacLeod
> <[email protected]> put finger to keyboard producing:
>
>>Olafur Agust wrote:
>>
>>> Im almost giving up on this and getting a Toyota! :)
>>
>>Surely you're buying poor components - sounds like you've got a couple of
>>m/c s that never had their barrels cleaned out after machining?
>>
>>Take your next new one apart before fitting to check on it. And see if
>>you
>>can get hold of a genuine part.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>William MacLeod
>
> my thoughts exactly.
>
> I fitted a new clutch master a couple of months ago and it was a cheap
> pattern part, no problems yet but I didn't take it apart and chack it
> out first so I may well be fitting another.
>
>
> Regards.
> Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
> --
> ___________________________________________________________
> You need only two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape.
> If it doesn't move and it should, use WD-40.
> If it moves and shouldn't, use the duct tape.
> www.markvarleyphoto.co.uk - 1984 110 CSW 2.5(na)D
> ___________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> ................................................................
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William MacLeod said:

> Take your next new one apart before fitting to check on it. And see if you
> can get hold of a genuine part.

The first two were from Britpart and the one Im installing now is from
Allmakes. There is a noticable difference between the two.

I just really dont know what is considered genuine! :) I have seen
that a few of the online parts shops are offering two makes, no name
brand and Lucas Girling.

Im gonna empty the whole system and fill it with new fluid since it
must be contaminated from the aluminium swarf. I only have Haynes to
go by to install it. Anyone seen anything inherently wrong with their
describtion of this installing? I know there is a lot to say against
Haynes otherwise! :)
 
Twas 27 Aug 2004 05:16:01 -0700 when [email protected] (Olafur Agust)
put finger to keyboard producing:

>William MacLeod said:
>
>> Take your next new one apart before fitting to check on it. And see if you
>> can get hold of a genuine part.
>
>The first two were from Britpart and the one Im installing now is from
>Allmakes. There is a noticable difference between the two.
>
>I just really dont know what is considered genuine! :) I have seen
>that a few of the online parts shops are offering two makes, no name
>brand and Lucas Girling.
>
>Im gonna empty the whole system and fill it with new fluid since it
>must be contaminated from the aluminium swarf. I only have Haynes to
>go by to install it. Anyone seen anything inherently wrong with their
>describtion of this installing? I know there is a lot to say against
>Haynes otherwise! :)

I found mine dead easy to install with the exception of the trouble I
had removing the hydrolik pipe (nut was jammed).


Regards.
Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
--
___________________________________________________________
You need only two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape.
If it doesn't move and it should, use WD-40.
If it moves and shouldn't, use the duct tape.
www.markvarleyphoto.co.uk - 1984 110 CSW 2.5(na)D
___________________________________________________________



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Twas Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:13:15 GMT when "Andrew Renshaw"
<andrew.hart.i hate [email protected]> put finger to keyboard
producing:

>Mr Nice,
>
>Is that you in cornwall. Sorry about the Land ROver man it is just outside
>of my price bracket otherwise I would be in my Disco coming down to you now.
>
>Andrew
>
>P.S. I would never get jap crap.
>

Hope you find one ;o)
for your budget you ought to condider a van-bodies 110 with benches in
the back and windows added, more for you money if you don't need the 2
extra side-doors.


Regards.
Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
--
___________________________________________________________
You need only two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape.
If it doesn't move and it should, use WD-40.
If it moves and shouldn't, use the duct tape.
www.markvarleyphoto.co.uk - 1984 110 CSW 2.5(na)D
___________________________________________________________



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Mr Nice,

Is that you in cornwall. Sorry about the Land ROver man it is just outside
of my price bracket otherwise I would be in my Disco coming down to you now.

Andrew

P.S. I would never get jap crap.


"Mr.Nice." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Twas Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:42:18 GMT when William MacLeod
> <[email protected]> put finger to keyboard producing:
>
>>Olafur Agust wrote:
>>
>>> Im almost giving up on this and getting a Toyota! :)
>>
>>Surely you're buying poor components - sounds like you've got a couple of
>>m/c s that never had their barrels cleaned out after machining?
>>
>>Take your next new one apart before fitting to check on it. And see if
>>you
>>can get hold of a genuine part.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>William MacLeod
>
> my thoughts exactly.
>
> I fitted a new clutch master a couple of months ago and it was a cheap
> pattern part, no problems yet but I didn't take it apart and chack it
> out first so I may well be fitting another.
>
>
> Regards.
> Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
> --
> ___________________________________________________________
> You need only two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape.
> If it doesn't move and it should, use WD-40.
> If it moves and shouldn't, use the duct tape.
> www.markvarleyphoto.co.uk - 1984 110 CSW 2.5(na)D
> ___________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> ................................................................
> Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access
> >>>> at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<<
> -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-
>


 
William MacLeod said:

> Take your next new one apart before fitting to check on it. And see if you
> can get hold of a genuine part.

The first two were from Britpart and the one Im installing now is from
Allmakes. There is a noticable difference between the two.

I just really dont know what is considered genuine! :) I have seen
that a few of the online parts shops are offering two makes, no name
brand and Lucas Girling.

Im gonna empty the whole system and fill it with new fluid since it
must be contaminated from the aluminium swarf. I only have Haynes to
go by to install it. Anyone seen anything inherently wrong with their
describtion of this installing? I know there is a lot to say against
Haynes otherwise! :)
 
Twas 27 Aug 2004 05:16:01 -0700 when [email protected] (Olafur Agust)
put finger to keyboard producing:

>William MacLeod said:
>
>> Take your next new one apart before fitting to check on it. And see if you
>> can get hold of a genuine part.
>
>The first two were from Britpart and the one Im installing now is from
>Allmakes. There is a noticable difference between the two.
>
>I just really dont know what is considered genuine! :) I have seen
>that a few of the online parts shops are offering two makes, no name
>brand and Lucas Girling.
>
>Im gonna empty the whole system and fill it with new fluid since it
>must be contaminated from the aluminium swarf. I only have Haynes to
>go by to install it. Anyone seen anything inherently wrong with their
>describtion of this installing? I know there is a lot to say against
>Haynes otherwise! :)

I found mine dead easy to install with the exception of the trouble I
had removing the hydrolik pipe (nut was jammed).


Regards.
Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
--
___________________________________________________________
You need only two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape.
If it doesn't move and it should, use WD-40.
If it moves and shouldn't, use the duct tape.
www.markvarleyphoto.co.uk - 1984 110 CSW 2.5(na)D
___________________________________________________________



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Twas Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:13:15 GMT when "Andrew Renshaw"
<andrew.hart.i hate [email protected]> put finger to keyboard
producing:

>Mr Nice,
>
>Is that you in cornwall. Sorry about the Land ROver man it is just outside
>of my price bracket otherwise I would be in my Disco coming down to you now.
>
>Andrew
>
>P.S. I would never get jap crap.
>

Hope you find one ;o)
for your budget you ought to condider a van-bodies 110 with benches in
the back and windows added, more for you money if you don't need the 2
extra side-doors.


Regards.
Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
--
___________________________________________________________
You need only two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape.
If it doesn't move and it should, use WD-40.
If it moves and shouldn't, use the duct tape.
www.markvarleyphoto.co.uk - 1984 110 CSW 2.5(na)D
___________________________________________________________



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