Bulkhead rust treatment

Ive brought a new bulkhead, its in the bare black primer, what do I paint it
with to prevent it rusting like the old one?

Do I treat areas on show and the underside differently?

Regards

Gerald

"Idris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ive brought a new bulkhead, its in the bare black primer, what do I
paint it
> with to prevent it rusting like the old one?
>
> Do I treat areas on show and the underside differently?
>
> Regards
>
> Gerald
>
>

Have it bead blasted and zinc sprayed

AWEM

Get it galvanized

>> Do I treat areas on show and the underside differently?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>
>Have it bead blasted and zinc sprayed
>
>AWEM
>

fanie wrote:

> Get it galvanized

Seconded - it's harder to get a decent paint finish onto it with galv
but if you can find a local firm who have a bit of skill galvanising
(and that bit is important!) then there's little will match galv,
filling with warm waxoyl and a couple of coats of paint.

Zinc spraying is a probably less risky process (never had it done on
anything) but not so effective in protecting the inside of the
bulkhead, I take it Andrew is talking about hot spray as opposed to
Galavafroid or similar.

Regards

William MacLeod

On or around 12 Dec 2005 04:01:05 -0800, [email protected]
enlightened us thusly:

>fanie wrote:
>
>> Get it galvanized
>
>Seconded - it's harder to get a decent paint finish onto it with galv
>but if you can find a local firm who have a bit of skill galvanising
>(and that bit is important!) then there's little will match galv,
>filling with warm waxoyl and a couple of coats of paint.

From what I gather, hot-dip galv is apt to give you a distorted bulkhead.
Presumably the electroplating method is OK though.

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"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around 12 Dec 2005 04:01:05 -0800, [email protected]
> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >fanie wrote:
> >
> >> Get it galvanized
> >
> >Seconded - it's harder to get a decent paint finish onto it with galv
> >but if you can find a local firm who have a bit of skill galvanising
> >(and that bit is important!) then there's little will match galv,
> >filling with warm waxoyl and a couple of coats of paint.
>
> From what I gather, hot-dip galv is apt to give you a distorted bulkhead.
> Presumably the electroplating method is OK though.
>
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> Beyond the horizon of the place we lived when we were young / In a world
> of magnets and miracles / Our thoughts strayed constantly and without
> boundary / The ringing of the Division bell had begun. Pink Floyd (1994)

Thats interesting, didnt know there was an electroplating method.

How good is galvafroid?

Gerald

On or around Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:55:08 -0000, "Idris"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On or around 12 Dec 2005 04:01:05 -0800, [email protected]
>> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>> >fanie wrote:
>> >
>> >> Get it galvanized
>> >
>> >Seconded - it's harder to get a decent paint finish onto it with galv
>> >but if you can find a local firm who have a bit of skill galvanising
>> >(and that bit is important!) then there's little will match galv,
>> >filling with warm waxoyl and a couple of coats of paint.
>>
>> From what I gather, hot-dip galv is apt to give you a distorted bulkhead.
>> Presumably the electroplating method is OK though.
>>
>
>Thats interesting, didnt know there was an electroplating method.
>
>How good is galvafroid?
>

's good paint. not the same as galvanising.

techincally, galvanising is in fact electrical I believe - the word has the
same root as glavanometer, for example.

it involves a tank of some sort of solution with lots of zinc in it and
presumably lots of volts.
--
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"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"
George Orwell (1903 - 1950) Animal Farm

Austin Shackles wrote:

> On or around Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:55:08 -0000, "Idris"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>
>>"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On or around 12 Dec 2005 04:01:05 -0800, [email protected]
>>> enlightened us thusly:
>>>
>>> >fanie wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Get it galvanized
>>> >
>>> >Seconded - it's harder to get a decent paint finish onto it with galv
>>> >but if you can find a local firm who have a bit of skill galvanising
>>> >(and that bit is important!) then there's little will match galv,
>>> >filling with warm waxoyl and a couple of coats of paint.
>>>
>>> From what I gather, hot-dip galv is apt to give you a distorted
>>> bulkhead. Presumably the electroplating method is OK though.
>>>
>>
>>Thats interesting, didnt know there was an electroplating method.
>>
>>How good is galvafroid?
>>
>
> 's good paint. not the same as galvanising.
>
> techincally, galvanising is in fact electrical I believe - the word has
> the same root as glavanometer, for example.
>
> it involves a tank of some sort of solution with lots of zinc in it and
> presumably lots of volts.

That's electroplating - IIRC zinc galvanising is simply dipping the part
into molten zinc and withdrawing it letting a layer of zinc harden on the
surface - the "Galv" in this context refers to the Galvanic effect where
you have two metals in contact with each other in an electrolyte (water
mostly) and they generate current - the way this works for galvanised steel
is that in this setup the zinc is a more reactive metal than the steel and
as such it sacrifices itself through electron transfer when there's an
electrolyte present - the steel doesn't suffer because the zinc sacrifices
itself.

P.

Austin Shackles wrote:

> From what I gather, hot-dip galv is apt to give you a distorted bulkhead.

If you have a firm who don't know what they're doing having only done
things like posts of thick steel and the like then chances are you're
going to end up with a rather hard to fit bulkhead, yes. Not the case
with the one I had done though, and I've seen plenty others.

> Presumably the electroplating method is OK though.

That's different again! From the talk of bead blasting I assumed
Andrew meant hot zinc spraying, rather similar to hot dip galvanising
than electroplating.

For the chap asking about Galavafroid, I did a series II rear cappings
with that and it's petrol cap and it wore through/off in places in less
than two years. Looks very dull as well, doesn't age that nicely
compared to real galv, but then that vehicle does live on the North
East coast and there is a lot of salt on the road compared to other
parts of the UK.

Regards

William MacLeod

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> fanie wrote:
>
> > Get it galvanized
>
> Seconded - it's harder to get a decent paint finish onto it with
galv
> but if you can find a local firm who have a bit of skill galvanising
> (and that bit is important!) then there's little will match galv,
> filling with warm waxoyl and a couple of coats of paint.
>
> Zinc spraying is a probably less risky process (never had it done on
> anything) but not so effective in protecting the inside of the
> bulkhead, I take it Andrew is talking about hot spray as opposed to
> Galavafroid or similar.
>
> Regards
>
> William MacLeod
>

Absolutely. Had my trailer done 10 years ago with a Metco zinc spray
gun and it's stood up to alsorts of misuse very well.

AWEM

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Austin Shackles wrote:
>
> > From what I gather, hot-dip galv is apt to give you a distorted
bulkhead.
>
> If you have a firm who don't know what they're doing having only
done
> things like posts of thick steel and the like then chances are
you're
> going to end up with a rather hard to fit bulkhead, yes. Not the
case
> with the one I had done though, and I've seen plenty others.
>
> > Presumably the electroplating method is OK though.
>
> That's different again! From the talk of bead blasting I assumed
> Andrew meant hot zinc spraying, rather similar to hot dip
galvanising
> than electroplating.
>
> For the chap asking about Galavafroid, I did a series II rear
cappings
> with that and it's petrol cap and it wore through/off in places in
less
> than two years. Looks very dull as well, doesn't age that nicely
> compared to real galv, but then that vehicle does live on the North
> East coast and there is a lot of salt on the road compared to other
> parts of the UK.
>
> Regards
>
> William MacLeod
>


When they 'hot spray' with a Metco gun the part infact only gets
barely warm - the zinc impacts on the newly bead blasted surface and
forms small interlocking 'cowpats' that mechanically bond onto the
slightly roughened surface. I have a rather old Metco gun (maybe
1960's) that uses oxy-acetylene as the heat source and compressed air
to drive a turbine that pulls an 1/8" zinc wire through the flame. You
can actually spray zinc onto wood, and form an apparently solid
surface without charring the wood.

AWEM

"Andrew Mawson" <andrew@no_spam_please_mawson.org.uk> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > fanie wrote:
> >
> > > Get it galvanized
> >
> > Seconded - it's harder to get a decent paint finish onto it with
> galv
> > but if you can find a local firm who have a bit of skill galvanising
> > (and that bit is important!) then there's little will match galv,
> > filling with warm waxoyl and a couple of coats of paint.
> >
> > Zinc spraying is a probably less risky process (never had it done on
> > anything) but not so effective in protecting the inside of the
> > bulkhead, I take it Andrew is talking about hot spray as opposed to
> > Galavafroid or similar.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > William MacLeod
> >
>
> Absolutely. Had my trailer done 10 years ago with a Metco zinc spray
> gun and it's stood up to alsorts of misuse very well.
>
> AWEM
>
>
Ok so who can recomend a firm that knows what they are doing to gavlanise my
bulkhead without distorting it.

I based in Northamptonshire.

Gerald

They are all doomed, I tell you, doomed.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"Idris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ive brought a new bulkhead, its in the bare black primer, what do I paint
it
> with to prevent it rusting like the old one?
>
> Do I treat areas on show and the underside differently?
>
> Regards
>
> Gerald
>
>

I' ve had stuff hot zinc sprayed, and is ideal for heavy lumps. We used it on wiches for fishing boats and the loading cranes. Once the rust has been grit blasted off(rather severely), the hot zinc powder is melted as it's sprayed. We also do it with nickel now for building up the wear pads on oil drilling tools.

Due to the grit blasting, thin components are not best suited to this. The finish can be as rough as hot dip galvanising, and usually granular - which is an ideal key for thick paint.

Hot dip galvanising can have drawbacks on complicated sections. Box sections can't be effectively cleaned, and if rusty the zinc will just avoid it. Also air pockets form and usually in the worst places - corners and welds. As it is a hot process, distortion is a problem unless you make a frame jig.

The Electroplaters I've been to offer tin-zinc which gives a bright finish. The tin acts to make the zinc less available to atmospheric corrosion,so remains brighter and lasts longer. This method has problems on concave or box sections, as the charged particles of zinc are attracted to the nearest object - so edges get a thicker coat, and hollows and corners get the mimimim. Passivation is important as it again increases the resistance to oxidisation.

Ideally I'd love it to be grit blasted, then tin-zinc electroplate, and chromate passivated. Sprayed externally with an etch primer and 2 pack colour, and internally a coat of black waxoyl. - Should last for 100 years !