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I've just acquired myself a replacement 2.25 3MB petrol for my Series III.
The guy who sold it me (a Land Rover mechanic) has said that it should run
on unleaded as long as it isnt thrashed etc. He said that I could try
running it with Broquet pellets in the fuel tank to prevent valve wear if I
was going to work it hard.

What are the group's views on using Broquet? Does anyone have anything
good/bad to say about it?

Thanks,
Paul


 
In message <[email protected]>, Pacman
<[email protected]> writes
>I've just acquired myself a replacement 2.25 3MB petrol for my Series III.
>The guy who sold it me (a Land Rover mechanic) has said that it should run
>on unleaded as long as it isnt thrashed etc. He said that I could try
>running it with Broquet pellets in the fuel tank to prevent valve wear if I
>was going to work it hard.
>
>What are the group's views on using Broquet? Does anyone have anything
>good/bad to say about it?

Can I expand this question a bit as I've been wondering whether I'd look
too stupid if I asked the following:

I have a 110 2.25 that I've been running on LRP. It doesn't get much use
except to drive the whole way across Wales about 8 times a year. At the
far side of Wales I use it to tow a 2 1/2 ton boat across some fields
from where it is craned in/out of the water. The rest of the year it
sits in my path growing green slime on its nice white top.

I can't get LRP anywhere here in NW England, so I've stocked up with
Redex additive from Asda. But near Caernarvon, I can still buy Texaco
LRP, which the Texaco agricultural fuels website tells me is the
equivalent of 4-star, so I've tried to keep using this. I can normally
cross Wales and get back to Carnaervon without having to hold up the
queue measuring and calculating in a normal forecourt.

The thing is that whatever I put in the tank, it still seems to go and
still sounds so noisy that I don't detect any pinking or knocking above
the background noise.

My "Land Rover mechanic" seems offended when I suggest replacing the
head, saying that with the mileage I do the present head will last
longer than me.

Should I worry? Should I be using the 'better' unleaded petrol with the
Redex? Redex + unleaded seems the cheaper option. I've never seen
pellets in Asda.
--
Bill Holt
 
On or around Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:49:46 +0000, Mr.Nice.
<mr.nice@*nospam*clara.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:

>older land rover engines are tough, crude beasts designed to run an
>fuels ranging wide in quality, I'd not worry too much, I don't know if
>the engine will happily take unleaded without modification, I'm a
>diesel-man myself but if I were running a petrol engine I'd probably
>buy a load of the cheapest redex-type stuff I could find and squirt it
>in alongside the cheapest unleaded I could find.
>If you can get LRP at a good price when in wales then I'd fill-up on
>that there.

LRP is fast-disappearing - I think it's almost at the stage now where the
only places still selling it are ones that still have a stock of it. Not
sure if any oilco still produces it.

But generally, the 2¼ petrol will probably run on anything. I did once get
one running on paraffin, and sister's BF had his farm hack running on TVO at
one point, mainly 'cos he had a big tank of it to use up and nothing else to
run on it.

You can always add a bottle of additive every now and then, but on normal
use I doubt it needs it. The advice about LPG (which is worse than U/L for
valves) is to suck it and see - and if you get valve problems later, swap
the head or get it fitted with hard seats.


Pellets: dunno. do they have a life after which they're all gone, and you
have to chuck another one in, or are they claiming that they last forever?
If the latter, I strongly suspect that it's bull****.

 
I have been running mine on unleaded with no additions of any kind and not
had any trouble.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes

"Pacman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've just acquired myself a replacement 2.25 3MB petrol for my Series III.
> The guy who sold it me (a Land Rover mechanic) has said that it should run
> on unleaded as long as it isnt thrashed etc. He said that I could try
> running it with Broquet pellets in the fuel tank to prevent valve wear if
I
> was going to work it hard.
>
> What are the group's views on using Broquet? Does anyone have anything
> good/bad to say about it?
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
>
>


 
Thanks to all for the advice. Unleaded with occasional Redex seems the
way to go.

Having re-read my original post, I should perhaps make it clear that
it's the 110 that gets the coat of green slime on its topsides, not the
boat.
--
Bill Holt
 
On Wednesday, in article
<[email protected]>
[email protected] "Bill Holt" wrote:

> In message <[email protected]>, Pacman
> <[email protected]> writes
> >I've just acquired myself a replacement 2.25 3MB petrol for my Series III.
> >The guy who sold it me (a Land Rover mechanic) has said that it should run
> >on unleaded as long as it isnt thrashed etc. He said that I could try
> >running it with Broquet pellets in the fuel tank to prevent valve wear if I
> >was going to work it hard.
> >
> >What are the group's views on using Broquet? Does anyone have anything
> >good/bad to say about it?
>
> Can I expand this question a bit as I've been wondering whether I'd look
> too stupid if I asked the following:
>
> I have a 110 2.25 that I've been running on LRP. It doesn't get much use
> except to drive the whole way across Wales about 8 times a year. At the
> far side of Wales I use it to tow a 2 1/2 ton boat across some fields
> from where it is craned in/out of the water. The rest of the year it
> sits in my path growing green slime on its nice white top.
>
> I can't get LRP anywhere here in NW England, so I've stocked up with
> Redex additive from Asda. But near Caernarvon, I can still buy Texaco
> LRP, which the Texaco agricultural fuels website tells me is the
> equivalent of 4-star, so I've tried to keep using this. I can normally
> cross Wales and get back to Carnaervon without having to hold up the
> queue measuring and calculating in a normal forecourt.
>
> The thing is that whatever I put in the tank, it still seems to go and
> still sounds so noisy that I don't detect any pinking or knocking above
> the background noise.
>
> My "Land Rover mechanic" seems offended when I suggest replacing the
> head, saying that with the mileage I do the present head will last
> longer than me.
>
> Should I worry? Should I be using the 'better' unleaded petrol with the
> Redex? Redex + unleaded seems the cheaper option. I've never seen
> pellets in Asda.

I reckon the mechanic is correct, especially since you're using lead
replacers from time to time.

If the ignition timing is set to run OK on unleaded, you don't need to
worry about the octane boost from 4-star LRP, and you don't need an
additive intended to get the boost.

I use the Castrol additive myself.

--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

Wrought under license granted by Her Majesty's Apostropher Royal AD MMIV
 
surely in wales and anywhere else for that matter there are loads of
motorcycle shops for trials and motocross etc .

just buy some proboost octane booster as used in motocross and add that at
fillups ..
 
On 16 Dec, in article
<[email protected]> [email protected]
"M0bcg" wrote:

> surely in wales and anywhere else for that matter there are loads of
> motorcycle shops for trials and motocross etc .
>
> just buy some proboost octane booster as used in motocross and add that at
> fillups ..

The main risk is that many older engines were designed to run on leaded
fuel, assuming the lead would help the wear on the exhaust valves.
Well, it does, as well as boosting octane rating. But on unleaded fuel,
especially if worked hard, you get accelerated wear.

The V8 has hardened valve seats anyway. They can be added to the head
on the 2.25 petrol. But 3rd-party lead-replacer works, and if you're
doing low annual mileage it may work out better than paying for a
rebuilt head.

On the other hand, if you are looking for extra performance (on a 2.25
petrol?) you likely want the head working over anyway. "Porting" to
improve gas flow. So the extra cost of the hardened valve seats is much
lower. But you might want an additive intended to boost octane rating
as well.

(And, yes, the features which boost performance also boost efficiency.
It depends how you drive. Insert ? and ! as you feel appropriate.)

--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

Wrought under license granted by Her Majesty's Apostropher Royal AD MMIV
 

""David G. Bell"" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wednesday, in article
> <[email protected]>
> [email protected] "Bill Holt" wrote:
>
> > In message <[email protected]>, Pacman
> > <[email protected]> writes
> > >I've just acquired myself a replacement 2.25 3MB petrol for my Series
III.
> > >The guy who sold it me (a Land Rover mechanic) has said that it should
run
> > >on unleaded as long as it isnt thrashed etc. He said that I could try
> > >running it with Broquet pellets in the fuel tank to prevent valve wear
if I
> > >was going to work it hard.
> > >
> > >What are the group's views on using Broquet? Does anyone have anything
> > >good/bad to say about it?
> >
> > Can I expand this question a bit as I've been wondering whether I'd look
> > too stupid if I asked the following:
> >
> > I have a 110 2.25 that I've been running on LRP. It doesn't get much use
> > except to drive the whole way across Wales about 8 times a year. At the
> > far side of Wales I use it to tow a 2 1/2 ton boat across some fields
> > from where it is craned in/out of the water. The rest of the year it
> > sits in my path growing green slime on its nice white top.
> >
> > I can't get LRP anywhere here in NW England, so I've stocked up with
> > Redex additive from Asda. But near Caernarvon, I can still buy Texaco
> > LRP, which the Texaco agricultural fuels website tells me is the
> > equivalent of 4-star, so I've tried to keep using this. I can normally
> > cross Wales and get back to Carnaervon without having to hold up the
> > queue measuring and calculating in a normal forecourt.
> >
> > The thing is that whatever I put in the tank, it still seems to go and
> > still sounds so noisy that I don't detect any pinking or knocking above
> > the background noise.
> >
> > My "Land Rover mechanic" seems offended when I suggest replacing the
> > head, saying that with the mileage I do the present head will last
> > longer than me.
> >
> > Should I worry? Should I be using the 'better' unleaded petrol with the
> > Redex? Redex + unleaded seems the cheaper option. I've never seen
> > pellets in Asda.
>
> I reckon the mechanic is correct, especially since you're using lead
> replacers from time to time.
>
> If the ignition timing is set to run OK on unleaded, you don't need to
> worry about the octane boost from 4-star LRP, and you don't need an
> additive intended to get the boost.
>
> I use the Castrol additive myself.
>
> --
> David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.
>
> Wrought under license granted by Her Majesty's Apostropher Royal AD MMIV

I've had Broquet pellets in my 2.25 petrol for 6 years now (=about 9000
miles) and have run on unleaded for that time with no valve seat recession,
if the valve clearances are any guide, as they've not shown any tendency to
close up. I don't thrash the vehicle.

Dave

1983 series 3 SWB 2.25 petrol


 
M0bcg wrote:

> surely in wales and anywhere else for that matter there are loads of
> motorcycle shops for trials and motocross etc .
>
> just buy some proboost octane booster as used in motocross and add
> that at fillups ..

Have you any idea of the compression ratio of an old 2.25 Land-Rover
engine? They'll run on creosote!

The lead was needed to protect the valves and seats in these engines as
they are not hardened. However, buy now most of these engines are well
'work hardened' and should be OK. You don't need high octane fuel,
standard unleaded is 95 octane and is fine - whether the valves or
seats will wear is a matter of luck.

My old SIII ran fine on unleaded for 35,000 miles, then burnt out a
couple of valves one night heading back here down the motorway at a
steady 70mph. All I did then was fit hardened seats and new valves. It
was fine the rest of the time I had it (about 15k miles) and is still
working OK for the next owner.

Hardened seats are cheap to fit if you can do it yourself, or find a
local old fashioned machine shop to do it. It cost me (including
parts) about 75 quid for the valves and seats and gasket set and a days
labour.
 
In message <[email protected]>, Simon Atkinson
<[email protected]> writes
<snip>
>It cost me (including parts) about 75 quid for the valves and seats and
>gasket set and a days labour.

Blimey ... a day's labour for 75quid is almost unheard of around here
.... most places it'd get you three hours at best ...

--
AndyG
 
AJG wrote:

> In message <[email protected]>, Simon Atkinson
> <[email protected]> writes <snip>
> > It cost me (including parts) about 75 quid for the valves and seats
> > and gasket set and a days labour.
>
> Blimey ... a day's labour for 75quid is almost unheard of around here
> ... most places it'd get you three hours at best ...

The days work was me (and not included in the 75 quid). Luckily I have
access to the kit needed.
 
>>
>> Blimey ... a day's labour for 75quid is almost unheard of around here
>> ... most places it'd get you three hours at best ...
>
>The days work was me (and not included in the 75 quid). Luckily I have
>access to the kit needed.

Obviously selling yourself short ... to yourself ... :)
--
AndyG
 
AJG wrote:

> > >
> >> Blimey ... a day's labour for 75quid is almost unheard of around
> here >> ... most places it'd get you three hours at best ...
> >
> > The days work was me (and not included in the 75 quid). Luckily I
> > have access to the kit needed.
>
> Obviously selling yourself short ... to yourself ... :)

Heh... I daren't price up the hours spent working on ****e old
landrovers instead of doing work I could invoice for. I probably could
have bought a new Roller!
 
Mr.Nice. wrote:

> On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:14:31 +0000, "Simon Atkinson" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > AJG wrote:
> >
> >> > >
> >> >> Blimey ... a day's labour for 75quid is almost unheard of around
> >> here >> ... most places it'd get you three hours at best ...
> >> >
> >> > The days work was me (and not included in the 75 quid). Luckily
> I >> > have access to the kit needed.
> >>
> >> Obviously selling yourself short ... to yourself ... :)
> >
> > Heh... I daren't price up the hours spent working on ****e old
> > landrovers instead of doing work I could invoice for. I probably
> > could have bought a new Roller!
>
> then you could paint your land rover... with the roller.......
>
> oh come on, it's funny...........

ROFL...

Well it is Christmas.
 
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