Bloody weather & LPG!

I am still waiting to change the lower tailgate on the P38 as it's so feckin' cold here you could grate
cheese on me scrotum ffs!!

It's not an easy job btw! All the electrics are not on multiplugs etc. It has to be a 'hot' swap with all
wiring & bits staying attached to the car & put on bit by bit with the new tailgate very close to
disaster all the time.

Might as well wait until the snow stops falling & I can actually see my penis again I s'pose!!

BTW, Rpi are doing some LPG kits on ebay, any good, I don't see they include a tank. How much is a tank?
Could I fit it?

Nige



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On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:23:45 -0000, "Nige"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I am still waiting to change the lower tailgate on the P38 as it's so feckin' cold here you could grate
>cheese on me scrotum ffs!!
>
>It's not an easy job btw! All the electrics are not on multiplugs etc. It has to be a 'hot' swap with all
>wiring & bits staying attached to the car & put on bit by bit with the new tailgate very close to
>disaster all the time.
>
>Might as well wait until the snow stops falling & I can actually see my penis again I s'pose!!
>
>BTW, Rpi are doing some LPG kits on ebay, any good, I don't see they include a tank. How much is a tank?
>Could I fit it?

There aint much to fitting an LPG kit apart from a few technicalities
and rules. I'd get someone else to test it and set it up if youre
doing your first one though.

If you can drill holes and tighten bolts and affix P clips then you
are sorted!

You'll get more after sales support and help if you buy one from a
proper supplier. When i bought mine for the car the cylindrical tank
came free! (he wants to shift em!). Cost around £450 which included
the set up and certificate and means i can pop back and get it tuned
every so often.

"Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:23:45 -0000, "Nige"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I am still waiting to change the lower tailgate on the P38 as it's so
>>feckin' cold here you could grate
>>cheese on me scrotum ffs!!
>>
>>It's not an easy job btw! All the electrics are not on multiplugs etc. It
>>has to be a 'hot' swap with all
>>wiring & bits staying attached to the car & put on bit by bit with the new
>>tailgate very close to
>>disaster all the time.
>>
>>Might as well wait until the snow stops falling & I can actually see my
>>penis again I s'pose!!
>>
>>BTW, Rpi are doing some LPG kits on ebay, any good, I don't see they
>>include a tank. How much is a tank?
>>Could I fit it?
>
> There aint much to fitting an LPG kit apart from a few technicalities
> and rules. I'd get someone else to test it and set it up if youre
> doing your first one though.
>
> If you can drill holes and tighten bolts and affix P clips then you
> are sorted!
>
> You'll get more after sales support and help if you buy one from a
> proper supplier. When i bought mine for the car the cylindrical tank
> came free! (he wants to shift em!). Cost around £450 which included
> the set up and certificate and means i can pop back and get it tuned
> every so often.
>

Nige, P38 uses either Gems (old-style inlet manifold with large rectangular
plenum chamber) or Motronic (thor inlet manifold, bunch o' bananas), either
system requires gas injection to run correctly. Don't be tempted to save
dosh and fit an older vapourmix type of gas system, it WILL backfire! Both
these management systems can cut the spark as well as the fuel on certain
overrun conditions, this leads to a big bang as the spark starts up again,
unless using an SGI system. I have fitted the OMVL Dream 21N system to both
Gems and Thor variants of the P38, normally with a 95 ltr "filled torroidal"
tank in the spare wheel well, giving over 200 miles range on gas if driven
sensibly. I would thoroughly recommend the Dream system, it's one of the
best currently available for this vehicle, but it needs to be set up by
someone that knows what they are doing. Once done, apart from maybe hearing
a click from the solenoids you just wouldn't know if it was running on
petrol or gas, there really is no noticeable difference.
Downside is price, for me to buy in a full system (as an installer) costs
4-figures, hence why these conversions tend to be expensive. I normally
charge £1750 (fully installed) for the 95ltr tank option on a P38.
Badger.

On or around Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:23:45 -0000, "Nige"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>I am still waiting to change the lower tailgate on the P38 as it's so feckin' cold here you could grate
>cheese on me scrotum ffs!!
>
>It's not an easy job btw! All the electrics are not on multiplugs etc. It has to be a 'hot' swap with all
>wiring & bits staying attached to the car & put on bit by bit with the new tailgate very close to
>disaster all the time.
>
>Might as well wait until the snow stops falling & I can actually see my penis again I s'pose!!
>
>BTW, Rpi are doing some LPG kits on ebay, any good, I don't see they include a tank. How much is a tank?
>Could I fit it?

You can get some neat 80l ones to replace the petrol tank under the boot
floor. fit by putting 4 sod-off bolts through the floor.

however, you then need a wing-mount petrol tank. I did this on the disco,
and it's a nice installation, but it ain't cheap.

cheapest tank option is something like a 100l cylinder in the boot, but if
you use all the boot space then that's a no-no.

not sure you can do sill tanks on one with air suspension.
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To hijack a thread - anybody know how much it should cost to fit LPG to a
KV6 engine (2.5 V6 in a Rover 75) - Logic says it should be a little less
than to a V8, however I'm guessing economies of scale kill that.

I've also had one or two places refused to touch it because "That's a very
fragile engine and we don't want the comeback"

P.

"Paul S. Brown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> To hijack a thread - anybody know how much it should cost to fit LPG to a
> KV6 engine (2.5 V6 in a Rover 75) - Logic says it should be a little less
> than to a V8, however I'm guessing economies of scale kill that.
>
> I've also had one or two places refused to touch it because "That's a very
> fragile engine and we don't want the comeback"

Around £1700ish, dependant on tank choices. it's an awkward one (physically)
to do properly. No probs with KV6 engine on gas, although they have a bit of
a reputation for head gaskets anyway.
Badger.
www.bhengineering.co.uk
www.roverv8engines.com

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> You can get some neat 80l ones to replace the petrol tank under the boot
> floor. fit by putting 4 sod-off bolts through the floor.

Austin, petrol tank isn't under the boot floor in a P38. Wakey-wakey. ;-)

> however, you then need a wing-mount petrol tank. I did this on the disco,
> and it's a nice installation, but it ain't cheap.
>
> cheapest tank option is something like a 100l cylinder in the boot, but if
> you use all the boot space then that's a no-no.

95 ltr filled-torroidal in the spare wheel well in the boot.

> not sure you can do sill tanks on one with air suspension.

Nope, no room at the inn, as they say.
Badger.

On or around Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:07:54 +0000 (UTC), "Badger"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> You can get some neat 80l ones to replace the petrol tank under the boot
>> floor. fit by putting 4 sod-off bolts through the floor.
>
>Austin, petrol tank isn't under the boot floor in a P38. Wakey-wakey. ;-)
>
>> however, you then need a wing-mount petrol tank. I did this on the disco,
>> and it's a nice installation, but it ain't cheap.
>>
>> cheapest tank option is something like a 100l cylinder in the boot, but if
>> you use all the boot space then that's a no-no.
>
>95 ltr filled-torroidal in the spare wheel well in the boot.
>
>> not sure you can do sill tanks on one with air suspension.
>

Ah, I was thinking of classics still. 's hard to keep up with Nige, 'e's
got a different motor every week, just about.

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of magnets and miracles / Our thoughts strayed constantly and without
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In message <[email protected]>, Badger
<[email protected]> writes
>
>"Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:23:45 -0000, "Nige"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>I am still waiting to change the lower tailgate on the P38 as it's so
>>>feckin' cold here you could grate
>>>cheese on me scrotum ffs!!
>>>
>>>It's not an easy job btw! All the electrics are not on multiplugs etc. It
>>>has to be a 'hot' swap with all
>>>wiring & bits staying attached to the car & put on bit by bit with the new
>>>tailgate very close to
>>>disaster all the time.
>>>
>>>Might as well wait until the snow stops falling & I can actually see my
>>>penis again I s'pose!!
>>>
>>>BTW, Rpi are doing some LPG kits on ebay, any good, I don't see they
>>>include a tank. How much is a tank?
>>>Could I fit it?
>>
>> There aint much to fitting an LPG kit apart from a few technicalities
>> and rules. I'd get someone else to test it and set it up if youre
>> doing your first one though.
>>
>> If you can drill holes and tighten bolts and affix P clips then you
>> are sorted!
>>
>> You'll get more after sales support and help if you buy one from a
>> proper supplier. When i bought mine for the car the cylindrical tank
>> came free! (he wants to shift em!). Cost around £450 which included
>> the set up and certificate and means i can pop back and get it tuned
>> every so often.
>>
>
>Nige, P38 uses either Gems (old-style inlet manifold with large rectangular
>plenum chamber) or Motronic (thor inlet manifold, bunch o' bananas), either
>system requires gas injection to run correctly. Don't be tempted to save
>dosh and fit an older vapourmix type of gas system, it WILL backfire! Both
>these management systems can cut the spark as well as the fuel on certain
>overrun conditions, this leads to a big bang as the spark starts up again,
>unless using an SGI system. I have fitted the OMVL Dream 21N system to both
>Gems and Thor variants of the P38, normally with a 95 ltr "filled torroidal"
>tank in the spare wheel well, giving over 200 miles range on gas if driven
>sensibly. I would thoroughly recommend the Dream system, it's one of the
>best currently available for this vehicle, but it needs to be set up by
>someone that knows what they are doing. Once done, apart from maybe hearing
>a click from the solenoids you just wouldn't know if it was running on
>petrol or gas, there really is no noticeable difference.
>Downside is price, for me to buy in a full system (as an installer) costs
>4-figures, hence why these conversions tend to be expensive. I normally
>charge £1750 (fully installed) for the 95ltr tank option on a P38.
>Badger.
>
>
It's the 4.0 litre engines which have the overrun problem - the 4.6s are
OK. Friend of mine did over 100k on one with an Impco system and never
had a blowback.

SGI are much better though and it's what I would go for from scratch.
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"hugh" <hugh@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
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>>
>>
> It's the 4.0 litre engines which have the overrun problem - the 4.6s are
> OK. Friend of mine did over 100k on one with an Impco system and never had
> a blowback.

Sorry, I beg to differ. Can't be 100% certain re. Gems, but the 4.6 Thor
variant with the Motronic management system definitely has spark cut-off on
the overrun, it's essentially the same basic embedded coding architecture
within the ecu as the 4.0, only difference is a slightly altered baseline
fuel map when you program from Testbook or Rovacom etc. I have no reason to
doubt the Gems setup being essentially similar.
Having said that, I know of a 4.6 (Gems) locally with an AEB Leonardo setup,
and it runs fine, but then the owner is, shall we say, old slow and gentle!

> SGI are much better though and it's what I would go for from scratch.

On that, I agree wholeheartedly.
Badger.

In message <[email protected]>, Badger
<[email protected]> writes
>
>"hugh" <hugh@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>> It's the 4.0 litre engines which have the overrun problem - the 4.6s are
>> OK. Friend of mine did over 100k on one with an Impco system and never had
>> a blowback.
>
>Sorry, I beg to differ. Can't be 100% certain re. Gems, but the 4.6 Thor
>variant with the Motronic management system definitely has spark cut-off on
>the overrun, it's essentially the same basic embedded coding architecture
>within the ecu as the 4.0, only difference is a slightly altered baseline
>fuel map when you program from Testbook or Rovacom etc. I have no reason to
>doubt the Gems setup being essentially similar.
>Having said that, I know of a 4.6 (Gems) locally with an AEB Leonardo setup,
>and it runs fine, but then the owner is, shall we say, old slow and gentle!
>
>> SGI are much better though and it's what I would go for from scratch.
>
>On that, I agree wholeheartedly.
>Badger.
>
>
Sorry I was only referring to Gems - didn't make that clear.

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