ATF

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Idris

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• Mar 7, 2006

• #1

Been trying to fing some ATF type G for the power steering on my 1989 110
but without success. Is it still availble, if not what has it been replaced
by?

Gerald

 

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Derek

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• Mar 7, 2006

• #2

"Idris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Been trying to fing some ATF type G for the power steering on my 1989 110
> but without success. Is it still availble, if not what has it been
> replaced
> by?
>
> Gerald

looking at the manual you have plenty of options
ATF M2C 33 F or G or L
ATF Dextron II D,II E or III
pretty well everybody stocks something suitable except probably certain
french dealerships who seem to like some weird stuff IIRC years ago I used
to stock it but never sold any.
Derek

 

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Idris

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• Mar 8, 2006

• #3

"Derek" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Idris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Been trying to fing some ATF type G for the power steering on my 1989
110
> > but without success. Is it still availble, if not what has it been
> > replaced
> > by?
> >
> > Gerald
>
> looking at the manual you have plenty of options
> ATF M2C 33 F or G or L
> ATF Dextron II D,II E or III
> pretty well everybody stocks something suitable except probably certain
> french dealerships who seem to like some weird stuff IIRC years ago I used
> to stock it but never sold any.
> Derek
>
>
Thanks Derek

Thats a much wider list than shown in the hand book I have. Managed to get
some Dextron toay.

Gerald

 

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Huw

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• Mar 10, 2006

• #4

"Idris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Derek" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Idris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > Been trying to fing some ATF type G for the power steering on my 1989
> 110
>> > but without success. Is it still availble, if not what has it been
>> > replaced
>> > by?
>> >
>> > Gerald
>>
>> looking at the manual you have plenty of options
>> ATF M2C 33 F or G or L
>> ATF Dextron II D,II E or III
>> pretty well everybody stocks something suitable except probably certain
>> french dealerships who seem to like some weird stuff IIRC years ago I
>> used
>> to stock it but never sold any.
>> Derek
>>
>>
> Thanks Derek
>
> Thats a much wider list than shown in the hand book I have. Managed to get
> some Dextron toay.
>

You are unique in finding a fluid called Dextron. AFAIK there is no such
thing ;-)

Huw

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Mar 11, 2006

• #5

On or around Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:59:42 -0000, "Huw"
<hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>
>You are unique in finding a fluid called Dextron. AFAIK there is no such
>thing ;-)

pendant!
--
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Blue: The sky is blue for a reason. Blue light is a source of strength
and harmony in the cosmos. Create a blue light in your life by
telephoning the police
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Derek

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• Mar 11, 2006

• #6

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On or around Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:59:42 -0000, "Huw"
> <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>You are unique in finding a fluid called Dextron. AFAIK there is no such
>>thing ;-)
>
> pendant!
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> Blue: The sky is blue for a reason. Blue light is a source of strength
> and harmony in the cosmos. Create a blue light in your life by
> telephoning the police
> from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

Thanks Austin but he is unique in his failure to read the phrase
"according to the manual" which does not mention the brand
like they say does what it says on the box
and to make it even more fun.......................
http://www.mcinter-tl.com/tl_100.html
http://www.motorsportsuperstore.com/content/search/searchresults.asp?sp=dextron
Dextron is of course the specification and not the brand but the bottles I
had on the shelf those years ago were Total Dextron and the oddball Total
LHM which as far as I know are still sat there waiting for a Citroen (?) to
need a top up. Funny though tho thinking back I'm positive the EP90 top up
bottles were sqeezy with a pipe attached pity about progress isn't it.
Derek

 

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Huw

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• Mar 11, 2006

• #7

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:59:42 -0000, "Huw"
> <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>You are unique in finding a fluid called Dextron. AFAIK there is no such
>>thing ;-)
>
> pendant!

If we can't get it right then we might as well call a 'chair' a 'table' or a
'lorry' or any other randomly selected name, which will quickly lead to the
breakdown of civilisation as we know it. This may be lost on Derek though;-(

Huw

 

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Huw

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• Mar 11, 2006

• #8

"Derek" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On or around Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:59:42 -0000, "Huw"
>> <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>>>
>>>You are unique in finding a fluid called Dextron. AFAIK there is no such
>>>thing ;-)
>>
>> pendant!
>> --
>> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
>> Blue: The sky is blue for a reason. Blue light is a source of strength
>> and harmony in the cosmos. Create a blue light in your life by
>> telephoning the police
>> from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
>
> Thanks Austin but he is unique in his failure to read the phrase
> "according to the manual" which does not mention the brand
> like they say does what it says on the box
> and to make it even more fun.......................
> http://www.mcinter-tl.com/tl_100.html
> http://www.motorsportsuperstore.com/content/search/searchresults.asp?sp=dextron
> Dextron is of course the specification and not the brand but the bottles I
> had on the shelf those years ago were Total Dextron and the oddball
> Total LHM which as far as I know are still sat there waiting for a Citroen
> (?) to need a top up. Funny though tho thinking back I'm positive the EP90
> top up bottles were sqeezy with a pipe attached pity about progress isn't
> it.
> Derek
>

Those two links just go to show that you cannot believe everything you read.
The second one is inexcusable because an enlarged picture of the bottle
shows the mistake clearly.
Would anyone seriously buy oil from a company such as that in the first
link, which has such an unprofessional and mistake-ridden site?
DEXTRON is NOT a specification for any oil.




DEXRON is.


Huw

 

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Derek

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• Mar 11, 2006

• #9

"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Derek" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On or around Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:59:42 -0000, "Huw"
>>> <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>>>>
>>>>You are unique in finding a fluid called Dextron. AFAIK there is no such
>>>>thing ;-)
>>>
>>> pendant!
>>> --
>>> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
>>> Blue: The sky is blue for a reason. Blue light is a source of strength
>>> and harmony in the cosmos. Create a blue light in your life by
>>> telephoning the police
>>> from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
>>
>> Thanks Austin but he is unique in his failure to read the phrase
>> "according to the manual" which does not mention the brand
>> like they say does what it says on the box
>> and to make it even more fun.......................
>> http://www.mcinter-tl.com/tl_100.html
>> http://www.motorsportsuperstore.com/content/search/searchresults.asp?sp=dextron
>> Dextron is of course the specification and not the brand but the bottles
>> I had on the shelf those years ago were Total Dextron and the oddball
>> Total LHM which as far as I know are still sat there waiting for a
>> Citroen (?) to need a top up. Funny though tho thinking back I'm positive
>> the EP90 top up bottles were sqeezy with a pipe attached pity about
>> progress isn't it.
>> Derek
>>
>
> Those two links just go to show that you cannot believe everything you
> read. The second one is inexcusable because an enlarged picture of the
> bottle shows the mistake clearly.
> Would anyone seriously buy oil from a company such as that in the first
> link, which has such an unprofessional and mistake-ridden site?
> DEXTRON is NOT a specification for any oil.
>
>
>
>
> DEXRON is.
>
>
> Huw

Ah my apologies I missed your oblique reference to the ( possible) typo but
then so do Texaco/Chevron, Castrol and Amsoil plus a quite a few others
perhaps its a 'mercanism or just common usage oddly another option is Mercon
Chevron
http://www.chevrontexacolubricants....icleapps/na_chev_autotransmission/default.asp
..Amsoil
http://www.a1lubricants.com/amsoil_synthetic_atf.html
Toyota
http://www.lexusclub.co.uk/gearboxoil.pdf
Castrol ( Conoco)
http://www.conocophillips.co.uk/stations/retailfuels/index.htm
I popped down to my garage tocheck the gallon can and that is Dexron though.
Derek

 

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Huw

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• Mar 11, 2006

• #10

"Derek" <[email protected]> wrote >
> Ah my apologies I missed your oblique reference to the ( possible) typo
> but then so do Texaco/Chevron, Castrol and Amsoil plus a quite a few
> others perhaps its a 'mercanism or just common usage oddly another option
> is Mercon
> Chevron

It is a common typo for some reason which a psychologist probably has an
answer for. It is becoming increasingly common and irritating especially
when used by those that should know better. Increased usage will never make
it a correct usage because the standard is actually called Dexron and
Dextron is quite simply incorrect.

Huw

 

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Richard Brookman

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• Mar 11, 2006

• #11

....and Huw spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...


> "Derek" <[email protected]> wrote >
>> Ah my apologies I missed your oblique reference to the ( possible)
>> typo but then so do Texaco/Chevron, Castrol and Amsoil plus a quite
>> a few others perhaps its a 'mercanism or just common usage oddly
>> another option is Mercon
>> Chevron
>
> It is a common typo for some reason which a psychologist probably has
> an answer for. It is becoming increasingly common and irritating
> especially when used by those that should know better. Increased
> usage will never make it a correct usage because the standard is
> actually called Dexron and Dextron is quite simply incorrect.
>
> Huw

Incorrect indeed, but understandable. The sound sequence -xr- is rarely
found in English. (I can't think of a single example.) The nearest common
sequence is -xtr- (as in "extra", etc.), so a lot of folk will insert the
"t" sound as it fits better with familiar sound sequences. The motor trade
is not known for its highly-literate and pedantic approach to linguistic
issues!

--
Rich
==============================

There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary
and those who don't.

 

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Austin Shackles

Guest

• Mar 11, 2006

• #12

On or around Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:34:00 GMT, "Derek"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

> and the oddball Total
>LHM which as far as I know are still sat there waiting for a Citroen (?) to
>need a top up. Funny though tho thinking back I'm positive the EP90 top up
>bottles were sqeezy with a pipe attached pity about progress isn't it.

LHM (Liquide Hydrolique Minerale) which is green is used in most Citroen
systems but some use LHS (Liquide Hydrolique Synthtique) which is red and
they shouldn't be mixed or used in the wrong systems. IIRC some Rolls-Royce
power braking systems use LHM as well.
--
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Appearances: You don't really need make-up. Celebrate your authentic
face by frightening people in the street.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Mar 11, 2006

• #13

On or around Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:43:07 -0000, "Huw"
<hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:

>
>"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On or around Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:59:42 -0000, "Huw"
>> <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>>>
>>>You are unique in finding a fluid called Dextron. AFAIK there is no such
>>>thing ;-)
>>
>> pendant!
>
>If we can't get it right then we might as well call a 'chair' a 'table' or a
>'lorry' or any other randomly selected name, which will quickly lead to the
>breakdown of civilisation as we know it. This may be lost on Derek though;-(

oooh, miaow... you've never made any such error?


And besides, I for one have only ever seen Dexron II, I don't know if there
was a plain Dexron. The alternative used to be the one used in Fords, which
used to be called Donax, and isn't any more.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Appearances: You don't really need make-up. Celebrate your authentic
face by frightening people in the street.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

 

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Huw

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• Mar 11, 2006

• #14

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:43:07 -0000, "Huw"
> <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>
>>"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On or around Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:59:42 -0000, "Huw"
>>> <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>>>>
>>>>You are unique in finding a fluid called Dextron. AFAIK there is no such
>>>>thing ;-)
>>>
>>> pendant!
>>
>>If we can't get it right then we might as well call a 'chair' a 'table' or
>>a
>>'lorry' or any other randomly selected name, which will quickly lead to
>>the
>>breakdown of civilisation as we know it. This may be lost on Derek
>>though;-(
>
> oooh, miaow... you've never made any such error?

Moa?
Heheheh. Nefer.



Well yes of course. However, the mistaken use on several oil company web
sites is inexcusable. What if their oil was chemically produced in the same
slapdash way? It does not inspire much confidence in their product.



>
>
> And besides, I for one have only ever seen Dexron II, I don't know if
> there
> was a plain Dexron. The alternative used to be the one used in Fords,
> which
> used to be called Donax, and isn't any more.
>

I still have a small quantity of Shell Donax in the shed. I have no idea
what it was used for. Certainly not for an auto transmission in my case but
it could have been for a power steering system. A five gallon drum seems
excessive though.

Huw