Aren't MOT's amazing

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Larry

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With my brand new MOT certificate hardly a week old, one of my indicator
lamps fails, not the bulb, but the erth, which was really grotty.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes



 
Try the Middle East, friend of mine had a 110 stage 1 and the MOT was more
involved with it's looks than any mechanics. Dirty car fails !!

Blimey, holes would give them apoplexy.


"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> With my brand new MOT certificate hardly a week old, one of my indicator
> lamps fails, not the bulb, but the erth, which was really grotty.
>
>
> --
> Larry
> Series 3 rust and holes
>
>
>



 

"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message news:[email protected]...

> Still, an earthing problem isn't going to kill you (often) :)


Unless you get struck by lightening!!!

Nifge


 

"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:18:40 +0100, "Larry" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> As far as I'm concerned, the MOT is a mere trivial indication (scuze
> pun) of a vehicle meeting the barest of safety standards. I know I'll
> not make any friends by saying it's a totally inadequate way of
> judging a safe vehicle and in some ways, it encourages a false sense
> of security.


I'm so glad someone actually see's it like that!
As a tester myself I'm constantly irritated by the crap I have to pass, I
know even though I advise items 95% of people will not have the faults
rectified!
The MOT should be a trivial matter if you keep your car in any sort of
reasonable condition.
Roll on stricter testing... sooner or later it will be here!


 
Dunno how you would test a typical series landies electrics, they are prone
to all kinds of trouble which is why I always carry spare wire and
connectors. In this case it was the indicator lamp on the side that got hit
by the joyriders. It was never in the best of condition, I intend to replace
the whole lamp when I get round to it.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"murphwiz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:18:40 +0100, "Larry" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:

>
> I'm so glad someone actually see's it like that!
> As a tester myself I'm constantly irritated by the crap I have to pass, I
> know even though I advise items 95% of people will not have the faults
> rectified!
> The MOT should be a trivial matter if you keep your car in any sort of
> reasonable condition.
> Roll on stricter testing... sooner or later it will be here!
>
>



 

"murphwiz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:18:40 +0100, "Larry" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> As far as I'm concerned, the MOT is a mere trivial indication (scuze
>> pun) of a vehicle meeting the barest of safety standards. I know I'll
>> not make any friends by saying it's a totally inadequate way of
>> judging a safe vehicle and in some ways, it encourages a false sense
>> of security.

>
> I'm so glad someone actually see's it like that!
> As a tester myself I'm constantly irritated by the crap I have to pass, I
> know even though I advise items 95% of people will not have the faults
> rectified!
> The MOT should be a trivial matter if you keep your car in any sort of
> reasonable condition.
> Roll on stricter testing... sooner or later it will be here!
>
>


Too right, after buying Monty the RRC I decided to take it to a very well known LR specialist rather than
a 'normal' car type effort. It failed as I knew it would, but I need to know the absolute base area to
start the rebuild. MOT's are a joke as you can pass any old rust heap that could fall apart on impact or
fail a virtually new car for a small technicality. I needed to know what I had bought for my own piece of
mind & a 12 month ticket on someone else's car just does not inspire me with any kind of confidence. I
would rather buy without or close to the limit for the basic safety issues, but my RRC will have miles
more done to it to make it safer for me & other road users.

The main thing for me is, why do they allow bullbars for road use??? On the other hand they will gladly
fail your car for a sharp bit of rusty metal? It's a very poor system for testing vehicles, but it is a
starting point!

I can see it getting more stringent, but mainly in the emissions area, which is gonna hurt a good few
folk on here!

Nige


 
Whilst I don't really see the point of bull bars, they are not actually more
dangeros than the front end of a bog standard series, however on cars which
have impact absorbing bumpers you are compromising the pedestrian safety.



"Nige" <nigel.inceNO****[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "murphwiz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> Too right, after buying Monty the RRC I decided to take it to a very well

known LR specialist rather than
> a 'normal' car type effort. It failed as I knew it would, but I need to

know the absolute base area to
> start the rebuild. MOT's are a joke as you can pass any old rust heap that

could fall apart on impact or
> fail a virtually new car for a small technicality. I needed to know what I

had bought for my own piece of
> mind & a 12 month ticket on someone else's car just does not inspire me

with any kind of confidence. I
> would rather buy without or close to the limit for the basic safety

issues, but my RRC will have miles
> more done to it to make it safer for me & other road users.
>
> The main thing for me is, why do they allow bullbars for road use??? On

the other hand they will gladly
> fail your car for a sharp bit of rusty metal? It's a very poor system for

testing vehicles, but it is a
> starting point!
>
> I can see it getting more stringent, but mainly in the emissions area,

which is gonna hurt a good few
> folk on here!
>
> Nige
>
>



 
murphwiz wrote:

>
> "Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:18:40 +0100, "Larry" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> As far as I'm concerned, the MOT is a mere trivial indication (scuze
>> pun) of a vehicle meeting the barest of safety standards. I know I'll
>> not make any friends by saying it's a totally inadequate way of
>> judging a safe vehicle and in some ways, it encourages a false sense
>> of security.

>
> I'm so glad someone actually see's it like that!
> As a tester myself I'm constantly irritated by the crap I have to pass, I
> know even though I advise items 95% of people will not have the faults
> rectified!
> The MOT should be a trivial matter if you keep your car in any sort of
> reasonable condition.
> Roll on stricter testing... sooner or later it will be here!


It is interesting to note that the state I live in has annual testing - the
adjoining state does not, but has generally lower accident statistics than
this state (probably explained by the higher population density means
better roads). But the annual test would seem to have very little influence
on safety. (emissions may well be another story)

There are two reasons for this - in the first place, only a very small
proportion of accidents are contributed to by vehicle condition, and - in
most of these cases the problem is either one that will not be detected by
a typical annual test, or more commonly, the problem is one that cannot be
expected to stay fixed for a year.

On this last point, a survey of roadworthiness of cars at random was carried
out several years ago in a supermarket car park. From memory about half the
cars involved failed, and of these about 90% were failed on tyres, and most
of these were either underinflation or cuts to the tyre.

This is supported by the suggestion that in most accidents where vehicle
defects are identified, the defect is tyres.
JD
 

"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Whilst I don't really see the point of bull bars, they are not actually more
> dangeros than the front end of a bog standard series, however on cars which
> have impact absorbing bumpers you are compromising the pedestrian safety.


That's not right matey, there have been tests done & they significantly increase the likelihood of
serious head/chest injuries at even the lowest speed. Also, if you **** something really big they can
utterly knacker your own vehicle.

I'll have a look for the webpage.

Nige


 
>Subject: Aren't MOT's amazing
>From: "Larry" [email protected]
>Date: 25/09/2004 18:18 GMT


>With my brand new MOT certificate hardly a week old, one of my indicator
>lamps fails, not the bulb, but the erth, which was really grotty.


You expect the MoT tester to have checked and cleaned up all the earthing
points for you?

Steve. Suffolk.
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"AN6530" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >Subject: Aren't MOT's amazing
> >From: "Larry" [email protected]
> >Date: 25/09/2004 18:18 GMT

>
> >With my brand new MOT certificate hardly a week old, one of my indicator
> >lamps fails, not the bulb, but the erth, which was really grotty.

>
> You expect the MoT tester to have checked and cleaned up all the earthing
> points for you?
>
> Steve. Suffolk.
> remove 'knujon' to e-mail
>

No but It just goes to show that the MOT is only a test
of roadworthiness at the time of testing and should not
be relied upon for 12 months of "my car's OK it's got
a MOT certificate"

Andy
--
SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce"
It's big, it's mean it's really, really green


 
On what vehicles were these tests carried out ?

I would have though that the biggest danger on something like a landie is
the increased bumper and bonnet height impacting on those body areas,
something unavoidable in the nature of the beast.

I would have thought something like a winch would also increase injuries.

As for flat fronted vehicles like buses and trucks, no chance :(


"Nige" <nigel.inceNO****[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message

news:[email protected]...
..
>
> That's not right matey, there have been tests done & they significantly

increase the likelihood of
> serious head/chest injuries at even the lowest speed. Also, if you ****

something really big they can
> utterly knacker your own vehicle.
>
> I'll have a look for the webpage.
>
> Nige
>
>



 
> On this last point, a survey of roadworthiness of cars at random was carried
> out several years ago in a supermarket car park. From memory about half the
> cars involved failed, and of these about 90% were failed on tyres, and most
> of these were either underinflation or cuts to the tyre.
>
> This is supported by the suggestion that in most accidents where vehicle
> defects are identified, the defect is tyres.
> JD


I've had people bring their cars in for test with brand new
shiny tyres on two days later I've seen the cars parked up with
bald tyres when I questioned the one youth he said he borrowed
the wheels and tyres from his mate just to get it through the test

Andy
--
SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce"
It's big, it's mean it's really, really green


 

"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> On what vehicles were these tests carried out ?
>
> I would have though that the biggest danger on something like a landie is
> the increased bumper and bonnet height impacting on those body areas,
> something unavoidable in the nature of the beast.


IIRC it was a Mitsubishi Shogun, you are of course right that if you hit anyone in anything at speed it's
instant death. But, the bars would make a real mess of a kids head at even low speeds, a flat front might
not be quite as bad.

>
> I would have thought something like a winch would also increase injuries.


Crikey, I'm sure it would!

>
> As for flat fronted vehicles like buses and trucks, no chance :(


Nope.



 
In news:[email protected],
Nige <nigel.inceNO****[email protected]> blithered:
> "Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On what vehicles were these tests carried out ?
>>
>> I would have though that the biggest danger on something like a
>> landie is the increased bumper and bonnet height impacting on those
>> body areas, something unavoidable in the nature of the beast.

>
> IIRC it was a Mitsubishi Shogun, you are of course right that if you
> hit anyone in anything at speed it's instant death. But, the bars
> would make a real mess of a kids head at even low speeds, a flat
> front might not be quite as bad.


Tell that to the insects impacting your windscreen.

>
>>
>> I would have thought something like a winch would also increase
>> injuries.

>
> Crikey, I'm sure it would!
>
>>
>> As for flat fronted vehicles like buses and trucks, no chance :(

>
> Nope.




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If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!


 
I think a sensible test would warn you or any impending problems, like if
your tread were close to the limit or your brakes only had a few hundred
miles left in them.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"Andy.Smalley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "AN6530" <[email protected]> wrote in message

news:[email protected]...

> No but It just goes to show that the MOT is only a test
> of roadworthiness at the time of testing and should not
> be relied upon for 12 months of "my car's OK it's got
> a MOT certificate"
>
> Andy
> --
> SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce"
> It's big, it's mean it's really, really green
>
>



 
>Subject: Re: Aren't MOT's amazing
>From: "Andy.Smalley" [email protected]


>No but It just goes to show that the MOT is only a test
>of roadworthiness at the time of testing and should not
>be relied upon for 12 months of "my car's OK it's got
>a MOT certificate"


Absolutely

Steve. Suffolk.
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>Subject: Re: Aren't MOT's amazing
>From: "Larry" [email protected]
>Date: 26/09/2004 11:50 GMT


>I think a sensible test would warn you or any impending problems, like if
>your tread were close to the limit or your brakes only had a few hundred
>miles left in them.


Some testers are happy to issue an advisory of that sort. However in the end it
is up to the owner / user of the vehicle to ensure that it is roadworthy at all
times.

Steve. Suffolk.
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In message <[email protected]>, Nige
<nigel.inceNO****[email protected]> writes
>
>"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Whilst I don't really see the point of bull bars, they are not actually more
>> dangeros than the front end of a bog standard series, however on cars which
>> have impact absorbing bumpers you are compromising the pedestrian safety.

>
>That's not right matey, there have been tests done & they significantly
>increase the likelihood of
>serious head/chest injuries at even the lowest speed. Also, if you ****
>something really big they can
>utterly knacker your own vehicle.
>

That's not strictly true, this 'study', if it is the one I recall, is
purely statistical and made no real study of type of collision or
vehicle type involved.
In some vehicles bull-bars will cause these results however it depends
on the front-end design of the vehicle. I would be interested to see a
scientific study of being hit by a 44ton artic at 25mph with a bull-bar
and one without ... then compare that to being hit by a mini metro both
with and without a similar bull-bar ... statistics can always be bent to
fit the intended mould

--
AndyG
 
The UK mainland still uses private garages who do the repairs first and then
issue a pass cert.... isn't that at least close to right?

In Northern Ireland we have Govt run testing centres. No negociation, no
warning, just a list of things to fix if it fails.

No incentive for the tester to fail you so thay can sell you the parts, or
to pass you coshe's done a shoddy job!!


 
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