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Angus McDangle
Guest
Hi, what is the difference between a regular rear door for a LR 90/110, and
a Safari door?
Angus
a Safari door?
Angus
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Austin Shackles
Guest
On or around Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:48:00 +0100, Mr.Nice.
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>Twas Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:42:22 +0100 when "Angus McDangle"
><[email protected]> put finger to keyboard producing:
>
>>Hi, what is the difference between a regular rear door for a LR 90/110, and
>>a Safari door?
>>
>>Angus
>>
>
>I think the rear door is aka safari. but there are differences between
>the newer (td5) rear doors and earlier defender & ninety/one ten rear
>doors but I thin kthey are interchangeable. the S3 rear doors can (I
>think) be fitted to a later land rover ninety/one ten/defender with
>changes to the lock location.
I had an S3 door on the 110. you only get 2 hinges, unless you faff around
fitting the third one to the S3 door.
You do also have to change the lock, although the only mod I recall it
needing is to make a hole in the door skin to line up with the lock barrel.
If you want HRW or rear wiper etc you have to transfer the glass or the
wiper motor - the latter requires more hole-making but isn't hard to do.
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>Twas Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:42:22 +0100 when "Angus McDangle"
><[email protected]> put finger to keyboard producing:
>
>>Hi, what is the difference between a regular rear door for a LR 90/110, and
>>a Safari door?
>>
>>Angus
>>
>
>I think the rear door is aka safari. but there are differences between
>the newer (td5) rear doors and earlier defender & ninety/one ten rear
>doors but I thin kthey are interchangeable. the S3 rear doors can (I
>think) be fitted to a later land rover ninety/one ten/defender with
>changes to the lock location.
I had an S3 door on the 110. you only get 2 hinges, unless you faff around
fitting the third one to the S3 door.
You do also have to change the lock, although the only mod I recall it
needing is to make a hole in the door skin to line up with the lock barrel.
If you want HRW or rear wiper etc you have to transfer the glass or the
wiper motor - the latter requires more hole-making but isn't hard to do.
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Larry
Guest
The question that intrigues me, is whether you could fit a defender drivers
door to a series 3, as one of these days I might fancy the sybaritic luxury
of a wind down window.
I know series three side doors went through a number of changes including
anti burst locks, which are a lot better than the originals, and these are
easy to retro fit.
--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes
"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:48:00 +0100, Mr.Nice.
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> I had an S3 door on the 110. you only get 2 hinges, unless you faff
around
> fitting the third one to the S3 door.
>
> You do also have to change the lock, although the only mod I recall it
> needing is to make a hole in the door skin to line up with the lock
barrel.
>
> If you want HRW or rear wiper etc you have to transfer the glass or the
> wiper motor - the latter requires more hole-making but isn't hard to do.
door to a series 3, as one of these days I might fancy the sybaritic luxury
of a wind down window.
I know series three side doors went through a number of changes including
anti burst locks, which are a lot better than the originals, and these are
easy to retro fit.
--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes
"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:48:00 +0100, Mr.Nice.
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> I had an S3 door on the 110. you only get 2 hinges, unless you faff
around
> fitting the third one to the S3 door.
>
> You do also have to change the lock, although the only mod I recall it
> needing is to make a hole in the door skin to line up with the lock
barrel.
>
> If you want HRW or rear wiper etc you have to transfer the glass or the
> wiper motor - the latter requires more hole-making but isn't hard to do.
R
Richard
Guest
Our Series III had three hinges, I think it was because it was a station
wagon. I think the hard tops only had two hinges?
Richard
"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:48:00 +0100, Mr.Nice.
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>Twas Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:42:22 +0100 when "Angus McDangle"
>><[email protected]> put finger to keyboard producing:
>>
>>>Hi, what is the difference between a regular rear door for a LR 90/110,
>>>and
>>>a Safari door?
>>>
>>>Angus
>>>
>>
>>I think the rear door is aka safari. but there are differences between
>>the newer (td5) rear doors and earlier defender & ninety/one ten rear
>>doors but I thin kthey are interchangeable. the S3 rear doors can (I
>>think) be fitted to a later land rover ninety/one ten/defender with
>>changes to the lock location.
>
> I had an S3 door on the 110. you only get 2 hinges, unless you faff
> around
> fitting the third one to the S3 door.
>
> You do also have to change the lock, although the only mod I recall it
> needing is to make a hole in the door skin to line up with the lock
> barrel.
>
> If you want HRW or rear wiper etc you have to transfer the glass or the
> wiper motor - the latter requires more hole-making but isn't hard to do.
wagon. I think the hard tops only had two hinges?
Richard
"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:48:00 +0100, Mr.Nice.
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>Twas Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:42:22 +0100 when "Angus McDangle"
>><[email protected]> put finger to keyboard producing:
>>
>>>Hi, what is the difference between a regular rear door for a LR 90/110,
>>>and
>>>a Safari door?
>>>
>>>Angus
>>>
>>
>>I think the rear door is aka safari. but there are differences between
>>the newer (td5) rear doors and earlier defender & ninety/one ten rear
>>doors but I thin kthey are interchangeable. the S3 rear doors can (I
>>think) be fitted to a later land rover ninety/one ten/defender with
>>changes to the lock location.
>
> I had an S3 door on the 110. you only get 2 hinges, unless you faff
> around
> fitting the third one to the S3 door.
>
> You do also have to change the lock, although the only mod I recall it
> needing is to make a hole in the door skin to line up with the lock
> barrel.
>
> If you want HRW or rear wiper etc you have to transfer the glass or the
> wiper motor - the latter requires more hole-making but isn't hard to do.
R
Richard
Guest
A rear wiper?
"Angus McDangle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi, what is the difference between a regular rear door for a LR 90/110,
> and
> a Safari door?
>
> Angus
>
>
"Angus McDangle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi, what is the difference between a regular rear door for a LR 90/110,
> and
> a Safari door?
>
> Angus
>
>
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Larry
Guest
That would not be a standard fitting though, probably an extra one added to
stop the door sagging as they do.
Mine is a station wagon with only two. (so far)
--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes
"Richard" <richardsemail [email protected]> wrote in message
news
[email protected]...
> Our Series III had three hinges, I think it was because it was a station
> wagon. I think the hard tops only had two hinges?
> Richard
>
>
> "Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
stop the door sagging as they do.
Mine is a station wagon with only two. (so far)
--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes
"Richard" <richardsemail [email protected]> wrote in message
news
[email protected]...> Our Series III had three hinges, I think it was because it was a station
> wagon. I think the hard tops only had two hinges?
> Richard
>
>
> "Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
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Dave White
Guest
In <[email protected]> Larry wrote:
> The question that intrigues me, is whether you could fit a defender
> drivers door to a series 3, as one of these days I might fancy the
> sybaritic luxury of a wind down window.
You can fit Defender doors to a series. The easiest type to fit are the
early Defender doors with wind up windows and clinch hanldes as you can
use Series 3 door locks with them. Having said that the Defender
latching mechanism is better than the Series 3 mechanism so it's worth
fitting the Defender style striker anyway.
cheers
Dave W.
http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/
> The question that intrigues me, is whether you could fit a defender
> drivers door to a series 3, as one of these days I might fancy the
> sybaritic luxury of a wind down window.
You can fit Defender doors to a series. The easiest type to fit are the
early Defender doors with wind up windows and clinch hanldes as you can
use Series 3 door locks with them. Having said that the Defender
latching mechanism is better than the Series 3 mechanism so it's worth
fitting the Defender style striker anyway.
cheers
Dave W.
http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/
J
JD
Guest
Dave White wrote:
> In <[email protected]> Larry wrote:
>> The question that intrigues me, is whether you could fit a defender
>> drivers door to a series 3, as one of these days I might fancy the
>> sybaritic luxury of a wind down window.
>
> You can fit Defender doors to a series. The easiest type to fit are the
> early Defender doors with wind up windows and clinch hanldes as you can
> use Series 3 door locks with them. Having said that the Defender
> latching mechanism is better than the Series 3 mechanism so it's worth
> fitting the Defender style striker anyway.
>
> cheers
>
> Dave W.
> http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/
There are two types of S3 locks - the old "bolt" type and the newer
anti-burst ones. In my view the latter are preferable, although horribly
expensive, and I also think they are better than the early wind up window
90/110 locks, which are also very expensive.
The later 90/110 doors will fit the S3, and are better engineered than the
early ones - but be warned, they are a lot thicker, and you lose elbow
room. There is a reason the later 90/110 have a smaller steering wheel and
have the outboard seats offset further in.
JD
> In <[email protected]> Larry wrote:
>> The question that intrigues me, is whether you could fit a defender
>> drivers door to a series 3, as one of these days I might fancy the
>> sybaritic luxury of a wind down window.
>
> You can fit Defender doors to a series. The easiest type to fit are the
> early Defender doors with wind up windows and clinch hanldes as you can
> use Series 3 door locks with them. Having said that the Defender
> latching mechanism is better than the Series 3 mechanism so it's worth
> fitting the Defender style striker anyway.
>
> cheers
>
> Dave W.
> http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/
There are two types of S3 locks - the old "bolt" type and the newer
anti-burst ones. In my view the latter are preferable, although horribly
expensive, and I also think they are better than the early wind up window
90/110 locks, which are also very expensive.
The later 90/110 doors will fit the S3, and are better engineered than the
early ones - but be warned, they are a lot thicker, and you lose elbow
room. There is a reason the later 90/110 have a smaller steering wheel and
have the outboard seats offset further in.
JD
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Austin Shackles
Guest
On or around Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:06:00 +0100, "Larry" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:
>The question that intrigues me, is whether you could fit a defender drivers
>door to a series 3, as one of these days I might fancy the sybaritic luxury
>of a wind down window.
>
>I know series three side doors went through a number of changes including
>anti burst locks, which are a lot better than the originals, and these are
>easy to retro fit.
the 3 doors, roughly, are a) like the S3, b) lift-up handles but wind-down
windows and c) pushbutton handles
b) would suit a S3 best as the handles are the same, but connected to
anti-burst locks. fitted to 90/110 from about 1985 to 1986, or thereabouts.
I imagine the door profile and hinges are the same, if not, a quick go with
a tape measure would answer that.
besides, the pushbutton handles offer no notable advantages over the lift-up
ones, except perhaps marginally better security. and if it rains and then
freezes, the buggers freeze up.
enlightened us thusly:
>The question that intrigues me, is whether you could fit a defender drivers
>door to a series 3, as one of these days I might fancy the sybaritic luxury
>of a wind down window.
>
>I know series three side doors went through a number of changes including
>anti burst locks, which are a lot better than the originals, and these are
>easy to retro fit.
the 3 doors, roughly, are a) like the S3, b) lift-up handles but wind-down
windows and c) pushbutton handles
b) would suit a S3 best as the handles are the same, but connected to
anti-burst locks. fitted to 90/110 from about 1985 to 1986, or thereabouts.
I imagine the door profile and hinges are the same, if not, a quick go with
a tape measure would answer that.
besides, the pushbutton handles offer no notable advantages over the lift-up
ones, except perhaps marginally better security. and if it rains and then
freezes, the buggers freeze up.
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AN6530
Guest
>Subject: 90 Safari rear door
>From: "Angus McDangle" [email protected]
>Date: 12/10/2004 17:42 GMT
>Hi, what is the difference between a regular rear door for a LR 90/110, and
>a Safari door?
I think safari doors are painted in a black and white zebra fashion and stop
the likes of Virginia Mackenna (sp?) from falling out the back of the Land
Rover ;-)
Steve. Suffolk.
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>From: "Angus McDangle" [email protected]
>Date: 12/10/2004 17:42 GMT
>Hi, what is the difference between a regular rear door for a LR 90/110, and
>a Safari door?
I think safari doors are painted in a black and white zebra fashion and stop
the likes of Virginia Mackenna (sp?) from falling out the back of the Land
Rover ;-)
Steve. Suffolk.
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Richard Brookman
Guest
So AN6530 was, like
> I think safari doors are painted in a black and white zebra fashion
> and stop the likes of Virginia Mackenna (sp?) from falling out the
> back of the Land Rover ;-)
>
If I remember Virginia Mackenna from her Born Free days, I would go to some
lengths to stop her falling out of the rear door.
--
Rich
Series 2a
RR 4.6
V8 trialler
dog, wife, kids, whatever
> I think safari doors are painted in a black and white zebra fashion
> and stop the likes of Virginia Mackenna (sp?) from falling out the
> back of the Land Rover ;-)
>
If I remember Virginia Mackenna from her Born Free days, I would go to some
lengths to stop her falling out of the rear door.
--
Rich
Series 2a
RR 4.6
V8 trialler
dog, wife, kids, whatever
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beamendsltd
Guest
In message <[email protected]>
"Angus McDangle" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi, what is the difference between a regular rear door for a LR 90/110, and
> a Safari door?
>
> Angus
>
>
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"Angus McDangle" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi, what is the difference between a regular rear door for a LR 90/110, and
> a Safari door?
>
> Angus
>
>
Provision for the internal "grab handle" thingie.
Richard
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Larry
Guest
Took a look at mine today, two hinges ??? no way it seems the hinge pin has
dissapeared entirely from the lower hinge, in the last month and the nut for
the pin on the top one has sheared off too.
Has someone been fiddling to get the door off the hard way, or did they just
die a natural death ?
No matter I have some new hinge pins I have been meaning to fit for some
time sitting on my desk in front of me as I type.
--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes
"Mr.Nice." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Twas Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:36:48 +0100 when "Larry"
> <[email protected]> put finger to keyboard producing:
>
>
> with early defenders anyway you have the third hinge when the spare
> wheel carrier is citted to the rear door.
>
>
> Regards.
> Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
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dissapeared entirely from the lower hinge, in the last month and the nut for
the pin on the top one has sheared off too.
Has someone been fiddling to get the door off the hard way, or did they just
die a natural death ?
No matter I have some new hinge pins I have been meaning to fit for some
time sitting on my desk in front of me as I type.
--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes
"Mr.Nice." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Twas Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:36:48 +0100 when "Larry"
> <[email protected]> put finger to keyboard producing:
>
>
> with early defenders anyway you have the third hinge when the spare
> wheel carrier is citted to the rear door.
>
>
> Regards.
> Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
> --
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> www.markvarleyphoto.co.uk
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> (3,000 rivets flying in close formation)
> _________________________________________
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Larry
Guest
Took a closer look at a defender today and though to myself, no that
external handle looks as naff as any other kind that Land Rover ever fitted,
though I would still like the luxury of a window that rolls all the way
down. Do they by the way, or do they stop half way not really improving on
the situation with the slide windows ?
--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes
"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:06:00 +0100, "Larry"
<[email protected]>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
> the 3 doors, roughly, are a) like the S3, b) lift-up handles but wind-down
> windows and c) pushbutton handles
>
> b) would suit a S3 best as the handles are the same, but connected to
> anti-burst locks. fitted to 90/110 from about 1985 to 1986, or
thereabouts.
> I imagine the door profile and hinges are the same, if not, a quick go
with
> a tape measure would answer that.
>
> besides, the pushbutton handles offer no notable advantages over the
lift-up
> ones, except perhaps marginally better security. and if it rains and then
> freezes, the buggers freeze up.
>
external handle looks as naff as any other kind that Land Rover ever fitted,
though I would still like the luxury of a window that rolls all the way
down. Do they by the way, or do they stop half way not really improving on
the situation with the slide windows ?
--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes
"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:06:00 +0100, "Larry"
<[email protected]>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
> the 3 doors, roughly, are a) like the S3, b) lift-up handles but wind-down
> windows and c) pushbutton handles
>
> b) would suit a S3 best as the handles are the same, but connected to
> anti-burst locks. fitted to 90/110 from about 1985 to 1986, or
thereabouts.
> I imagine the door profile and hinges are the same, if not, a quick go
with
> a tape measure would answer that.
>
> besides, the pushbutton handles offer no notable advantages over the
lift-up
> ones, except perhaps marginally better security. and if it rains and then
> freezes, the buggers freeze up.
>
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Austin Shackles
Guest
On or around Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:38:39 +0100, "Larry" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:
>Took a closer look at a defender today and though to myself, no that
>external handle looks as naff as any other kind that Land Rover ever fitted,
>though I would still like the luxury of a window that rolls all the way
>down. Do they by the way, or do they stop half way not really improving on
>the situation with the slide windows ?
front ones go all the way down. You can keep the series look and feel by
going for the lift-up handle kind
enlightened us thusly:
>Took a closer look at a defender today and though to myself, no that
>external handle looks as naff as any other kind that Land Rover ever fitted,
>though I would still like the luxury of a window that rolls all the way
>down. Do they by the way, or do they stop half way not really improving on
>the situation with the slide windows ?
front ones go all the way down. You can keep the series look and feel by
going for the lift-up handle kind
A
Austin Shackles
Guest
On or around Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:36:33 +0100, "Larry" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:
>Took a look at mine today, two hinges ??? no way it seems the hinge pin has
>dissapeared entirely from the lower hinge, in the last month and the nut for
>the pin on the top one has sheared off too.
>
>Has someone been fiddling to get the door off the hard way, or did they just
>die a natural death ?
>
>No matter I have some new hinge pins I have been meaning to fit for some
>time sitting on my desk in front of me as I type.
and new bronze olives as well?
enlightened us thusly:
>Took a look at mine today, two hinges ??? no way it seems the hinge pin has
>dissapeared entirely from the lower hinge, in the last month and the nut for
>the pin on the top one has sheared off too.
>
>Has someone been fiddling to get the door off the hard way, or did they just
>die a natural death ?
>
>No matter I have some new hinge pins I have been meaning to fit for some
>time sitting on my desk in front of me as I type.
and new bronze olives as well?
L
Larry
Guest
Yep the whole kit and caboodle. was going to fit them on the fine and sunny
day that I bought them then the weather turned nasty and I left them.
--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes
"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:36:33 +0100, "Larry"
<[email protected]>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
> and new bronze olives as well?
>
day that I bought them then the weather turned nasty and I left them.
--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes
"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:36:33 +0100, "Larry"
<[email protected]>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
> and new bronze olives as well?
>
L
Lee_D
Guest
> "Angus McDangle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Hi, what is the difference between a regular rear door for a LR 90/110,
>> and
>> a Safari door?
>>
>> Angus
I thought the term Safari door was to distingiuish what is just a door from
the top and bottom tailgates option. But we all know what thought did....
Lee D
> news:[email protected]...
>> Hi, what is the difference between a regular rear door for a LR 90/110,
>> and
>> a Safari door?
>>
>> Angus
I thought the term Safari door was to distingiuish what is just a door from
the top and bottom tailgates option. But we all know what thought did....
Lee D
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Austin Shackles
Guest
On or around Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:37:18 GMT, "Lee_D" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:
>> "Angus McDangle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Hi, what is the difference between a regular rear door for a LR 90/110,
>>> and
>>> a Safari door?
>>>
>>> Angus
>
> I thought the term Safari door was to distingiuish what is just a door from
>the top and bottom tailgates option. But we all know what thought did....
mebbe the safari one has more trim.
actually, I thought that "safari" was stuff like the double roof.
enlightened us thusly:
>> "Angus McDangle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Hi, what is the difference between a regular rear door for a LR 90/110,
>>> and
>>> a Safari door?
>>>
>>> Angus
>
> I thought the term Safari door was to distingiuish what is just a door from
>the top and bottom tailgates option. But we all know what thought did....
mebbe the safari one has more trim.
actually, I thought that "safari" was stuff like the double roof.
