Starter motor problems?

[Rustyrus]

Don't really know, but I think it must be part of the bendix set up cos mine was throwing the bendix and spinning no prob when it was on the floor but would'nt turn the engine when it was in place, the guy tthat fixed it more or less told me it was probably this clutch that was gone before he even looked at it.

This subject is more to do with the earlier part of this thread i.e the origional problem with the starter, sorry for causing confusion

 

[slob]

what clutch???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

[Rustyrus]

have a look at this, its an extract from a description of a 200tdi starter


It might be worth mentioning that there's a directional clutch behing the starter dog - you should be only able to turn the cog on it's own in one direction.

 

[slob]

ah think thats what most folk refer to as the bendex.. seems its also known as an over-running clutch.. next folk ill be calling springs shock absorbers and shocks will be getting called dampers

 

[Sirus]

dunt dampers go on babies bums

 

[slob]

no! its a type of bread made by aussie bushmen

 

[Boner]

I had same problem with mine about a month ago, took it off and put it to a guy who repairs starters/alternators etc, said the clutch mechanism in the starter was faulty, fitted a new bit and charged 30 quid, said the starter was good and the fault was a common thing on these starters. No problem since.

Hope not its brand new starter motor.Old one died for the very reason ou mention slipped both ways easily.

Slob thats ace info int he wiring man thanks for that , im gona copy the old setup and run that loose earth wire from that bolt point to my block then renew the block to chassis cable just incase. Whilst im at it ill change the battery earth to gearbox. Try that and if still nothing suppose the ignition could be at fault cause canny think were esle it go live from. it was fine befor but must count it out.Dont know if this helps but when i was going to put the posative lead on the battery befor there was lots of sparks?
its a new motor so try till monday then its going back.

 

[bustersbus]

that is queer buster... you got a short somewhere? make sure that spade connector is on right and engine earth is connected from starter body to chassis.G

Tell me bout it Griff!. Dunno if ah've got a short or not, ah can't even get tae the soddin' motor tae have a look!!!! Haynes says go in from the top, but by lookin' at it ah'd have tae strip away all the bit's and pieces that are in the way. Or if ah go in from underneath, ah have tae take the doon pipe off for starters tae get any where near it. Funny thing is, the ****tin' thing started furst time every time today but might be a diffrunt story tomorrow!!!!

 

[Boner]

Its a c&*t to get oot man, in the end i ahd no choice but to get it fi below and ontop, removed turbo downpipe as it blocks the motor in. Now i done it no so bad ken my way but aww the same what a **** of a design.
Even beter whent he bloody remidy doesny work doh... .

Gona call the place i bought the new yin the morn tell em i may retuen it if aww else fails, no sure now but it might be the wrong yin i read sutin earlier boot the 2.5 and the TD yins need that earth brace oer the back o the motor and this yin aint got it.

 

[bustersbus]

Its a c&*t to get oot man, in the end i ahd no choice but to get it fi below and ontop, removed turbo downpipe as it blocks the motor in. Now i done it no so bad ken my way but aww the same what a **** of a design.

Aye it looks like it!!! Bin havin a look and it dusnae look that easy even tho' Haynes reckons it's a yin spanner job!!! The ****s must've dun it wi' the enjin oot ah reckon

Even beter whent he bloody remidy doesny work doh... .

No sae guid that

Gona call the place i bought the new yin the morn tell em i may retuen it if aww else fails, no sure now but it might be the wrong yin i read sutin earlier boot the 2.5 and the TD yins need that earth brace oer the back o the motor and this yin aint got it.

Jist hud a look in the parts catathingy and it says that for a 2.5 turbo upto JAN 1993 ye should hae part #-
PRC5109N - starter motor
or
PRC5109E - Starter motor exchange
or FROM JAN 1993 ye should hae part #-
ERR5009

 

[Boner]

Cheers for the parts numbers busterbus will take the starter off again and check its serial number or part number. Let ay know how i get on.

 

[bustersbus]

Cheers for the parts numbers busterbus will take the starter off again and check its serial number or part number. Let ay know how i get on.

Aye, nae wurries boner

ah think ah might've found my problem, but need re-ashoorin'.



Ok, the BIG red wire has a plastic sleeve on it and so does the brown one. Both go out the same hole and go to the starter motor. Brown wire is a bit wobbly and loose, can any one tell me if this be my problem?

 

[bustersbus]

stuck a bigger crimp thingy on the brown wire and moved it on tae the clamp bolt, startin' furst time noo without waitin' for the glow plugs. Ah'll see what it's like the morn after a run

 

[Boner]

Good result with the wiring i didny ahe a clue tbh. Were boot on yer starter did that broon cable go ???

oh big thanks for the serials has paid off! took it off and checked and its for a 1990- defender or a 1994- discovery 2.5tdi..... in the end they had the same motor for aww them then phoned back saying naw supplier makes another model for my year. getting it the morn if no delivery delays.

Read i can run a wire directly fi posative battery to spade connector if it still no work and that count oot the starter ignition system.

 

[Sean]

Aye, nae wurries boner

ah think ah might've found my problem, but need re-ashoorin'.

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Ok, the BIG red wire has a plastic sleeve on it and so does the brown one. Both go out the same hole and go to the starter motor. Brown wire is a bit wobbly and loose, can any one tell me if this be my problem?

the big red un goes to yer solenoid, the brown one will go direct to yer alternator, if the brown one was loose you'd probably not be getting a good charge or at best an intermittent one

 

[Boner]

**** results the day the comapny i bought the new starter off and sold me the wrong yin say they dont do any others for landys so got a refund, cool chaps and they did try their best. So options now are to refit shagged old motor and atleast test the ignition circuit. And im gona take it off the road over winter and use the Subaru rocket ship...bloddy cheaper to buy super unleaded for a performance car than deisel anyways now . Its atleast 4x4 so i can still take me dogs intot he feidls my work van gets stuck in.

And the landy gona get the works, gona try and redo the whole wiring system cause its all ****, do me timing belt,power steering belt, fan belt, glow plugs, oil and fuel and air filters, put even more wax on the chassis, get my tyres on the right way and generaly sort her oot once and for all ooo and fit a new starter motor...

Bit miffed i enjoy the landya nd the dogs love it but no gona ruin it..

Aww the same what an arse of a design hiding the starter way doon in that wee corner .

Boner

 

[bustersbus]

**** results the day the comapny i bought the new starter off and sold me the wrong yin say they dont do any others for landys so got a refund, cool chaps and they did try their best. So options now are to refit shagged old motor and atleast test the ignition circuit. And im gona take it off the road over winter and use the Subaru rocket ship...bloddy cheaper to buy super unleaded for a performance car than deisel anyways now . Its atleast 4x4 so i can still take me dogs intot he feidls my work van gets stuck in.

And the landy gona get the works, gona try and redo the whole wiring system cause its all ****, do me timing belt,power steering belt, fan belt, glow plugs, oil and fuel and air filters, put even more wax on the chassis, get my tyres on the right way and generaly sort her oot once and for all ooo and fit a new starter motor...

Bit miffed i enjoy the landya nd the dogs love it but no gona ruin it..

Aww the same what an arse of a design hiding the starter way doon in that wee corner .

Boner

That's a bit o' a **** boner, can ye no get yin from sumwhere's else? By the sounds of it, ye're gantae be busy, but it'll be worth it

 

[bustersbus]

the big red un goes to yer solenoid, the brown one will go direct to yer alternator, if the brown one was loose you'd probably not be getting a good charge or at best an intermittent one

just tried tae follow the brown wire as best as ah can, by sight and touch, and it looks like it goes tae the glow plug timer relay thingy. Looks like the doon pipe's comin' off the morn so ah can get a better look and maybe clean off some o' the crud!!! Just had a look in the wirin' diagram and it deffo does go tae the relay.
the ****tin' thing was playin' up again the day!!! Started furst turn this mornin', then went tae kindle it up the savvo and it took a couple of goes.

 

[Sean]

just tried tae follow the brown wire as best as ah can, by sight and touch, and it looks like it goes tae the glow plug timer relay thingy. Looks like the doon pipe's comin' off the morn so ah can get a better look and maybe clean off some o' the crud!!! Just had a look in the wirin' diagram and it deffo does go tae the relay.
the ****tin' thing was playin' up again the day!!! Started furst turn this mornin', then went tae kindle it up the savvo and it took a couple of goes.

if it does that there should also be a brown one going to yer battery - it's best just to go direct from the alt to the batt but seems the routes taken differ, even thou electrically they are connected

 

[bustersbus]

if it does that there should also be a brown one going to yer battery - it's best just to go direct from the alt to the batt but seems the routes taken differ, even thou electrically they are connected

that was the brown one from the battery sean