Hobart TIG welder ONE DAY LEFT!

[Dr_evil]

aww didums you have to pay for a service...





just grow a set.

Why should I use a charged service then when a bank transfer is better and free

 

[Bump]

Why should I use a charged service then when a bank transfer is better and free

The point with eBay is you can give the buyer the choice, eBay can see what goes on with PayPal so prefer it (and it's their company now, so, why not inforce it, that's just good business sense - if you don't like it use a different outlet to sell your crap)

You can also offer the buyer to use bank transfer if they prefer, or cash on collection or whatever.

Doesn't really answer the question surrounding why you're shill bidding / avoiding paying for the service you require...

 

[Thor1950]

Why should I use a charged service then when a bank transfer is better and free

you entered into a contract with them, and then you want there technology with out paying a fee. That would be like pirating movies/music. Or hacking someones bank account and taking money

 

[suew]

In 2010 Paul Barrett became the first person to be prosecuted in the UK for bidding against himself on eBay (a practice often referred to as “shill bidding”). He was fined £3,500, ordered to pay costs of £1,456 and ordered to carry out 250 hours of unpaid work. On sentencing him Judge Peter Benson, sitting at Bradford Crown Court said that he only escaped a prison sentence because he had no previous convictions for dishonesty.

The prosecution was brought under the Business Protection from Misleading Marketing Regulations 2008 and the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008.

How do the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 protect consumers from shill bidding?

The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 prohibits unfair commercial practices.

The Regulations classify unfair commercial practices in two ways, those which are unfair where the practice causes a consumer to take a different decision and those which are always unfair.

 

[Thor1950]

One day left on this!


£430 takes this monster

tig welder miller kemppi esab lincoln | eBay

Yep but the bid to be beaten is set at £425

Don't need to mention anything on it, its set at £425 with the last bid

Someone bid on it for you with your reserve price then if they win it you just cancel transaction

Yep so saves paying eBay the privilege and sets my reserve at 430 as 425 was the max bid

Can't now as its under 12 hours but it should hit 430. A smaller version of my TIG which is three phase only went for 425 and it didn't have pedal or cooler with it

al irrelavent if seller ends listing

Shhh

No Doc is gonna get the "BUYER!!" to cancel the sale, which will result in Doc not having to pay the EBay "Final Value Fee"

My way is if ya wanna buy something but want to know what the reserve is set at. Or what has been bid on it so far.

No ones gonna get it for under 430 if it doesn't sell at that ill split them at 150 for the cooler and 300 for the welder with accessories. May keep the cooler for myself tbh as its 450 for a new one of them and I can buy a mig with water cooled torch

eBay removed it cos I wouldn't accept paypal wasn't me that listed it anyway I was the bidder

eBay own paypal so they won't let you sell now if you don't accept it as a form of payment as they're arse holes

Paypal is ****. And on a collection only item if paid via paypal the buyer can turn round after collecting and file for money back. Without having a postage receipt paypal will generally side with the buyer regardless of proof of sale etc. it's how a lot of scams are done

eBay take 10% then paypal take another 4% on top if you get paid via them instead f cash on collection etc. eBay still get their fee

Why should I use a charged service then when a bank transfer is better and free

Evidence collected:lol::lol:

 

[robint]

You can also offer the buyer to use bank transfer if they prefer, or cash on collection or whatever..

unfortuntly thats a load of bollocks because if ebay see it on the listing they delete listing for not useing there paypal system

 

[robint]

Evidence collected:lol::lol:

did anyone notice from where the listing was from ??

 

[Thor1950]

did anyone notice from where the listing was from ??

Yep your house

 

[robint]

Yep your house

so hwo can he shill bid himself if its my listing ??

 

[Thor1950]

so hwo can he shill bid himself if its my listing ??

he said it was his machine

 

[blue beasty]

I use fleabay a fair it to buy stuff and I must admit it ****es me off when people fook about

 

[robint]

he said it was his machine

well i have no control hwo bids and the amount

 

[Dr_evil]

what is wrong with that sale commission, all auctions have them?

Its not just sales they charge you on……..

Essentially its a crap corrupt system, I spent 5 months fighting them and won by simply calling in the financial ombudsman. They've been done by the high court before for holding money and using it to gain interest on it as in someone will request a refund and it'll be granted but wont appear in their account for another two months "due to technicalities" which is bull****……they were using it to spend on their own things, gain interest as obviously bigger wad of cash and so forth then refunding you when they had made a decent amount using your own cash.

They're not a registered bank as they were turned down for that too, they're just ****s

you entered into a contract with them, and then you want there technology with out paying a fee. That would be like pirating movies/music. Or hacking someones bank account and taking money

I don't want their technology…….I joined ebay in 2007 and back then paypal was an option!

It should still be an option not an obligation……..they just want to take more of your cash and if people were being charged 20% like auctions on there I doubt many would be selling.

 

[fanatic]

fund your paypal with credit card- any nonsense the credit card company overrule paypal.

Build cost of fees into price and hint at payment within v7 days on collection

 

[Dr_evil]

You can actually get away with using a gift card like an O2 one you'd spend in shops IIRC which really ####s with them


They're a bunch of ****s who need taking down a peg, Amazon payments don't charge you and they're a proper site unlike egay. I only use it if I'm forced to

 

[Bump]

unfortuntly thats a load of bollocks because if ebay see it on the listing they delete listing for not useing there paypal system

WTF???
eBay give you the different options to receive payments in a handy tick box option, they're not going to delete any auctions for people offering additional payment services, you are just required to offer PayPal... It's up to the buyer to decide which method they want to use, not eBay.

 

[Bump]

You can actually get away with using a gift card like an O2 one you'd spend in shops IIRC which really ####s with them


They're a bunch of ****s who need taking down a peg, Amazon payments don't charge you and they're a proper site unlike egay. I only use it if I'm forced to

you obviously haven't sold much on Amazon, their fees are massive, when i was selling on their we were paying 25% on every sale to Amazon - some items had nearly 90% fees. Now, that IS corrupt.

With eBay we were paying 5% on sales + the PayPal fees

 

[Bump]

They're not a registered bank as they were turned down for that too, they're just ****s

really...

In 2007, PayPal Europe was granted a Luxembourg banking license, which, under European Union law, allows it to conduct banking business throughout the EU. It is therefore regulated as a bank by Luxembourg's banking supervisory authority, the Commission de Surveillance du Secteur Financier (CSSF

as normal people trying to pass opinion as fact

 

[suew]

They're a bunch of ****s who need taking down a peg, Amazon payments don't charge you and they're a proper site unlike egay. I only use it if I'm forced to

No one forces you to use it, you use it because you think you will get a better price or advertise to a wide audience.

What you were doing works because people think the item must be worth the price because others are bidding on it. So basically you are misleading people and therefore it is illegal.

We see these practices a lot among the dodgy horse dealers. They either get a friend to stand at the ringside and bid against interested people. Or they get someone else to enter the horse in the sale and bid themselves. I actually enjoy watching them get stuck with the horse because the other bidders drop out before they expected them to (except for the poor horse of course)

Is that really how you want to be perceived on here, no better than any other dodgy dealer Cant see other members being that keen to buy anything from you.

 

[Dr_evil]

WTF???
eBay give you the different options to receive payments in a handy tick box option, they're not going to delete any auctions for people offering additional payment services, you are just required to offer PayPal... It's up to the buyer to decide which method they want to use, not eBay.

You're forced to accept it though and you should never accept paypal on a collection only item! Especially seeing as I'm not the one who listed it, you can't even list an item now without a paypal account linked to a card or bank now