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OK group, I am looking for EXPERIENCE related opinions on hydraulic and
electric winches. Which type works best. If you have never used one
please don't tell me that type is horrible. I'm looking for one in the
12,000 lb range. Thanks.

 


hellbndr23@gmail.com wrote:
>
> OK group, I am looking for EXPERIENCE related opinions on hydraulic and
> electric winches. Which type works best. If you have never used one
> please don't tell me that type is horrible. I'm looking for one in the
> 12,000 lb range. Thanks.

You need a running engine for an hydraulic winch to operate.
(Also true for PTO winches which might be an option if you have PTO)
For electric winches you might need a dual battery set-up.
Sorry, you were asking for experience related opinions.
This is technical...
Someone else ?
Kind regards,
Erik-Jan.
 
If you are a trail leader and the only sucker with a winch so you have
to sit at the top and pull everyone up, then a hydraulic is the way to
go. They can pull all day as long as your engine is running.

If you want one for self extraction and the occasional pulling friends
along than an electric is better because it will still work if your
engine dies in the middle of a water crossing or if you are way off
camber like tilted over on it's side or something where you can't run
the engine.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

hellbndr23@gmail.com wrote:
>
> OK group, I am looking for EXPERIENCE related opinions on hydraulic and
> electric winches. Which type works best. If you have never used one
> please don't tell me that type is horrible. I'm looking for one in the
> 12,000 lb range. Thanks.
 
<hellbndr23@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1108686088.900458.47370@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> OK group, I am looking for EXPERIENCE related opinions on hydraulic and
> electric winches.

i have owned and used both extensively. each has their own advantages and
disadvantages, please see
http://7slotgrille.com/projects/03rubicon/mm/index.html for my reasons why i
went from electric to hydraulic. for serious pulling, hydraulic is the way
to go.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com


 
Look no further than the MileMarker hydraulic winch......

--
Mad-Dog
'79 Chevy K-10
Slightly modified
http://mad-dog16.tripod.com/
--
<hellbndr23@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1108686088.900458.47370@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> OK group, I am looking for EXPERIENCE related opinions on hydraulic and
> electric winches. Which type works best. If you have never used one
> please don't tell me that type is horrible. I'm looking for one in the
> 12,000 lb range. Thanks.
>


 
Mad Dog schrieb:

> Look no further than the MileMarker hydraulic winch......

....and then take approach to what is being used by professional recovery
vehicles.... no PS-pump, no MileMarker. Real PTO hydraulics, real high
pressure winches.

Cheerz,
Axel

 
"Axel Hammer" <alpha01@dt-intra.de> wrote in message
news:421EBDF4.F274EA92@dt-intra.de...
> ...and then take approach to what is being used by professional recovery
> vehicles.... no PS-pump, no MileMarker. Real PTO hydraulics, real high
> pressure winches.

the US army doesnt seem to have a problem with running their mile marker
hydraulics off the power steering pump. the power steering pump is an
immense source of potential energy, and the mile marker makes good use of
it. it might not be enough for a 10 wheeled tow truck, but it will be more
than enough for any type of self recovery youll ever want to do.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com


 
What's up with your time and date Nathan? I am seeing you all over the
calendar and clock in the groups recently.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> "Axel Hammer" <alpha01@dt-intra.de> wrote in message
> news:421EBDF4.F274EA92@dt-intra.de...
> > ...and then take approach to what is being used by professional recovery
> > vehicles.... no PS-pump, no MileMarker. Real PTO hydraulics, real high
> > pressure winches.
>
> the US army doesnt seem to have a problem with running their mile marker
> hydraulics off the power steering pump. the power steering pump is an
> immense source of potential energy, and the mile marker makes good use of
> it. it might not be enough for a 10 wheeled tow truck, but it will be more
> than enough for any type of self recovery youll ever want to do.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
 
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:421F2E29.FBCEFF02@sympatico.ca...
> What's up with your time and date Nathan? I am seeing you all over the
> calendar and clock in the groups recently.

heh. my news server is really screwy lately (even worse than my mail
server). so long as it gets my messages up im not to worried.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com


 
Ya but your messages hang around in the wrong places for days on end.

Nothing wrong with your server dude, your computer time and date are
just plain off. Looks like by about 24 hours. Fast by the way, not
delayed......

Mike


"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:421F2E29.FBCEFF02@sympatico.ca...
> > What's up with your time and date Nathan? I am seeing you all over the
> > calendar and clock in the groups recently.
>
> heh. my news server is really screwy lately (even worse than my mail
> server). so long as it gets my messages up im not to worried.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
 
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:56:04 +0100, Axel Hammer <alpha01@dt-intra.de>
wrote:

>:|Mad Dog schrieb:
>:|
>:|> Look no further than the MileMarker hydraulic winch......
>:|
>:|...and then take approach to what is being used by professional recovery
>:|vehicles.... no PS-pump, no MileMarker. Real PTO hydraulics, real high
>:|pressure winches.
>:|
>:|Cheerz,
>:|Axel

you know that a PS pump is just a 1400-1600PSI hydraulic pump, right?
whether it hooks to the engine via a drive belt or through the
transmission doesn't matter. I'm not sure why you'd want to go to the
trouble of hooking up another hydraulic pump to the system when you've
already got one that will do the job quite well, as you really don't
need a 30,000lbs continuous duty winch on a 4x4.

-Bret
 
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:421F3D14.F0584352@sympatico.ca...
> Nothing wrong with your server dude, your computer time and date are
> just plain off.

my date/time are both correct, i just checked it. i use xp pro that
synchronizes its internal clock with microsoft. any problems with message
times have to be server related as im currently showing 18:16MST 2/25/05 on
my pc clock.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com


 
Do you know if the winch will destroy your power steering pump? Or is
this no issue>

Matt

 
<web1000@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:1109449313.206307.292450@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Do you know if the winch will destroy your power steering pump? Or is
> this no issue>

ive never known a pump to fail from adding a winch. the energy is there
anyway, the winch just takes advantage of it.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com


 
"Nathan W. Collier" schrieb:

> <web1000@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:1109449313.206307.292450@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > Do you know if the winch will destroy your power steering pump? Or is
> > this no issue>
>
> ive never known a pump to fail from adding a winch. the energy is there
> anyway, the winch just takes advantage of it.

Prolonged winching heats up the oil very rapidly since P/S pumps have almost
no reservoir that may act as 'thermal buffer'.
Real PTO hydraulics have at least 10 to 20l of hydraulic fluid that can
buffer the heat and the tank may act as radiator as well.

Dunno what the military's up to, but they won't work their winches long -
and if they fail, who cares. I suggest to check out military strategies
regarding the effective lifetime in battle when talking of the quality of
military equipment. The seal 'military approved' isn't worth that much if
you know about the details.

Cheers,

Axel

 
web1000@shaw.ca schrieb:

> Very good report on the winch you have there ...
>
> Matt

Very nice.
Anyone tell me why I need a 'Flow Restrictor'? I wouldn't want anything
'restricting' my winch....

Axel


 
"Axel Hammer" <alpha01@dt-intra.de> wrote in message
news:42217543.1F0E1417@dt-intra.de...
> Prolonged winching heats up the oil very rapidly since P/S pumps have
> almost
> no reservoir that may act as 'thermal buffer'.

what damage are you suggesting? i know of many situations on organized runs
where a single p/s hyraulic winch pulled the entire party up hills to steep
to climb with no damage. in fact, watching this first hand is what sold me
on hydraulic winching to begin with. i was riding my ATV on ft. bragg and
watched a hmmwv winch an entire convoy up a ravine.


--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com


 
"Nathan W. Collier" schrieb:

> what damage are you suggesting? i know of many situations on organized runs
> where a single p/s hyraulic winch pulled the entire party up hills to steep
> to climb with no damage. in fact, watching this first hand is what sold me
> on hydraulic winching to begin with. i was riding my ATV on ft. bragg and
> watched a hmmwv winch an entire convoy up a ravine.

Fading of the hydraulic power (that is, of the little power such a pump can
provide compared to >>10kW up to 20kW a PTO provides), loss of lubrication,
damaged pump a.s.o. Overheating effects in a wide variety, boiling oil, spilled
oil´, failure of seals.

The professional rallye drivers and recovery vehicle owners we equip would laugh
at us for good reason if we'd suggest PS-driven hydraulics. A single belt as
supplied in standard 4x4 vehicles CANNOT provide enough long-term mechanical
power in excess of 2-3kW. A PTO can.

Rgds,

Axel

 
"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> "Axel Hammer" <alpha01@dt-intra.de> wrote in message
> news:42217543.1F0E1417@dt-intra.de...
> > Prolonged winching heats up the oil very rapidly since P/S pumps have
> > almost
> > no reservoir that may act as 'thermal buffer'.
>
> what damage are you suggesting? i know of many situations on organized runs
> where a single p/s hyraulic winch pulled the entire party up hills to steep
> to climb with no damage. in fact, watching this first hand is what sold me
> on hydraulic winching to begin with. i was riding my ATV on ft. bragg and
> watched a hmmwv winch an entire convoy up a ravine.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com

On that note alone I for one am sure glad I was given an electric
winch....

Man to be the sucker/fool/idiot who stands at the top and 'has' to help
everyone up is sure not my idea of a fun off road trip.
;-)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
 
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