"Axel Hammer" <alpha01@dt-intra.de> wrote in message
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> A single belt as
> supplied in standard 4x4 vehicles CANNOT provide enough long-term
> mechanical
> power in excess of 2-3kW. A PTO can.

oh no, im not suggesting that its equivalent to a pto powered hydraulic
winch. that would be like comparing a dana 44 to a rockwell. for
recreational recovery that jeepers/other off roaders run into though, a p/s
powered hydraulic winch is the most powerful realistic option available at
anything less than an insane price.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Man to be the sucker/fool/idiot who stands at the top and 'has' to help
> everyone up is sure not my idea of a fun off road trip.
> ;-)

heh. i dont mind it really. ive been "lead dog" in those situations when
wheeling with my buddys just because i had the hydraulic winch. its not to
bad so long as youre sitting on your bumper sipping a cold one while some
other sucker is running the cable back down.

that said, ill take it up another level. i think that its irresponsible of
anyone to wheel without their own recovery gear. it doesnt have to be a
hydraulic winch or an electric winch. it can be a come-along or highlift
with enough straps but have _something_ to keep from being a burden on those
around you. theres just no excuse for not having some type of recovery gear
on board, you cant afford to off road without it. ive happened across some
in the past who were stuck that didnt have any recovery gear at all, and not
a clue what they were going to do and they were totally at my mercy and good
graces. its really sad when its a family out wheeling with small children
and not so much as even a cell phone/cb radio.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com

> oh no, im not suggesting that its equivalent to a pto powered hydraulic
> winch. that would be like comparing a dana 44 to a rockwell. for
> recreational recovery that jeepers/other off roaders run into though, a p/s
> powered hydraulic winch is the most powerful realistic option available at
> anything less than an insane price.

Agreed
Well, this is where my personality kicks in, I can't stand having
half-way-solution on my rig and sometimes tend to crusade my opinion a bit.
Nevertheless, Hydraulic winches of any kind are much more reliable than
standard electric WARN or similar. They withstand a year w/o running them and
still work fine.

Btw., I'm running a well-services waterproofed 8274 on a 24V rig and am
currently building a underfloor rear hydraulic into.

Axel

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:21:27 UTC "Nathan W. Collier"
<MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote:

> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4221E350.471A30CD@sympatico.ca...
> > Man to be the sucker/fool/idiot who stands at the top and 'has' to help
> > everyone up is sure not my idea of a fun off road trip.
> > ;-)
>
> heh. i dont mind it really. ive been "lead dog" in those situations when
> wheeling with my buddys just because i had the hydraulic winch. its not to
> bad so long as youre sitting on your bumper sipping a cold one while some
> other sucker is running the cable back down.
>
> that said, ill take it up another level. i think that its irresponsible of
> anyone to wheel without their own recovery gear. it doesnt have to be a
> hydraulic winch or an electric winch. it can be a come-along or highlift
> with enough straps but have _something_ to keep from being a burden on those
> around you. theres just no excuse for not having some type of recovery gear
> on board, you cant afford to off road without it. ive happened across some
> in the past who were stuck that didnt have any recovery gear at all, and not
> a clue what they were going to do and they were totally at my mercy and good
> graces. its really sad when its a family out wheeling with small children
> and not so much as even a cell phone/cb radio.

Couple years back the wife and I were out sightseeing and decided to
take Tincup pass from St. Elmos to Tincup in the Comanche. Hell, 2WD
and a little care will make that trip when the snow is gone in the
summer, but I misjudged the line on one creek and managed to get a
bumper on each bank (approach/departure angle is NOT a feature of a
longbed pickup!). I was pulling the jack out to drop the rear end out
in the creek when a built CJ with 4 kids comes up and throws a strap.
On the other side I tried to pass them a few bucks to buy some beer
but they outright refused - said they made all the money they could
use yanking tourists who were totally unprepared so when they saw that
I was actually about to get myself out they felt it was just a
helping hand, not a recovery. Nice guys - bought them burgers anyway
when I ran into them in Tincup later.

--
Will Honea