Matt E

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Hello all.
Had an engine warning (orange) light appear a few months ago on my 2012 FL2 2.2TD4. Took it to the LR dealer, who confirmed the exact code and recommended a replacement EGR cooler. Exact wording: "Found code P245a-77 EGR cooler circuit and water in fuel fault also. Requires new EGR cooler and wiring repair".
However, as the quote for the work was almost the value of the vehicle, and we couldn't find another mechanic willing to do the work here in Tasmania, and there was no coolant loss, loss of power or reduced fuel economy, I decided to drive for a while and see if anything developed. The only issue that developed after a few weeks was an engine judder at around 1500. The judder disappears as soon as I take my foot off of the accelerator, or once the revs increase above 1500.
I've had the wheels balanced and realigned, but the judder remains.
Not sure if its related, but I also had the turbo actuator (new OEM) replaced a couple of months before the warning light appeared.
Really appreciate any suggestions?
Cheers
Matt
 
Hi

I don’t know what you call almost the cost of the car.

EGR valve use to leak, this engine is form Peugeot and the issue are well documented, You need to flush the coolant, a garage will ask more than 1000 euros for the job.

EGR can leak gaz in the coolant or leak coolant in the engine. Not to mention you can get overheating issue if the EGR stay closed.

For the wires without any details it’s hard to know.
 
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Hi

I don’t know what you call almost the cost of the car.

EGR valve use to leak, this engine is form Peugeot and the issue are well documented, You need to flush the coolant, a garage will ask more than 1000 euros for the job.

EGR can leak gaz in the coolant or leak coolant in the engine. Not to mention you can get overheating issue if the EGR stay closed.

For the wires without any details it’s hard to know.
Unfortunately these cars don't fetch the same price as they do in the UK, as they're not well sought after, except from ex-pats like myself.
The main dealer have quoted over 4000 Aud.
I believe that the engine is a Ford/Volvo, never heard of any mention of Peugeot from the mechanics that have worked on it though.
I've searched every thread on here that mentions the 'P245a' code, but can't find any mention of similar issues.
Really appreciate any suggestions, as the mechanic who replaced the turbo actuator won't return my calls for this current issue, after I asked if it was related to the work that he carried out. So i'm stuck with myself and my trusty 'Haynes workshop manual'.

Cheers

Matt
 
Mate, you've become an Aussie, just put a bit more effort in and google a bit further!

It is possibly just a spring that needs replacing that closed (or opens?) the cooler valve. Looks like the spring can't be purchased individually and you either need to spend your $4K or make something up.


From there...


That guy shows replacing the rotary type spring with a compression type one - but I have to say, it doesn't look like it will last long.

So check if the spring is broken....



I think the cooler/spring is a lot less accessible on Freelander. That video is really boring, but I think at the end he recommends adding a spring as in that XF forum thread.

The engine is sometimes known as a Ford Duratorq. Duratorq covers various engines, but it is a PSA unit, not Ford, they used in some of their brands at the time, including Land Rover.
 
Unfortunately these cars don't fetch the same price as they do in the UK, as they're not well sought after, except from ex-pats like myself.
The main dealer have quoted over 4000 Aud.
I believe that the engine is a Ford/Volvo, never heard of any mention of Peugeot from the mechanics that have worked on it though.
I've searched every thread on here that mentions the 'P245a' code, but can't find any mention of similar issues.
Really appreciate any suggestions, as the mechanic who replaced the turbo actuator won't return my calls for this current issue, after I asked if it was related to the work that he carried out. So i'm stuck with myself and my trusty 'Haynes workshop manual'.

Cheers

Matt

If it's not loosing coolant, and there's no performance change, then the EGR cooler isn't leaking.
A misfire can be attributed to a simple issue with the crank sensor, which is well known, and easily fixed.

The engine is a PSA unit, which is Peugeot/Citroën (designated PSA DW12), but Ford did have a hand in it's design, and manufacture of a few components (the early cam shafts that break are Ford made), most likely so they could use it without paying fees to PSA.
There's nothing Ford in the design that's obvious though, and it uses a lot of standard PSA components (valves, rockers, tappets, EGR system, injection parts, etc), so the only clue as to Ford's involvement, is the FoMoCo logo along with PSA logo on the side of the head casting.

The Freelander body itself is a Ford design, basically using parts from the same age Mondeo, so you'll find the FoMoCo logo on many body and chassis components.

There's nothing Volvo on the diesel engine at all, only the 6 cylinder petrol is from them, although the FL2 does have many electrical parts in common with the Volvo XC60 of the same age, and the body is on the same basic structure, but that's where any Volvo link ends.
 
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As for your P0245a, that's normally attributed to an electrical issue with the turbo actuator. So it could just be a damaged wire, or corroded plug, which is pretty common on all cars with hundreds of electrical connections.
 
As for your P0245a, that's normally attributed to an electrical issue with the turbo actuator. So it could just be a damaged wire, or corroded plug, which is pretty common on all cars with hundreds of electrical connections.
The turbo actuator was replaced a few months earlier, so it could be related.
 
If it's not loosing coolant, and there's no performance change, then the EGR cooler isn't leaking.
A misfire can be attributed to a simple issue with the crank sensor, which is well known, and easily fixed.

The engine is a PSA unit, which is Peugeot/Citroën (designated PSA DW12), but Ford did have a hand in it's design, and manufacture of a few components (the early cam shafts that break are Ford made), most likely so they could use it without paying fees to PSA.
There's nothing Ford in the design that's obvious though, and it uses a lot of standard PSA components (valves, rockers, tappets, EGR system, injection parts, etc), so the only clue as to Ford's involvement, is the FoMoCo logo along with PSA logo on the side of the head casting.

The Freelander body itself is a Ford design, basically using parts from the same age Mondeo, so you'll find the FoMoCo logo on many body and chassis components.

There's nothing Volvo on the diesel engine at all, only the 6 cylinder petrol is from them, although the FL2 does have many electrical parts in common with the Volvo XC60 of the same age, and the body is on the same basic structure, but that's where any Volvo link ends.
Cheers for the info mate.
 
Mate, you've become an Aussie, just put a bit more effort in and google a bit further!

It is possibly just a spring that needs replacing that closed (or opens?) the cooler valve. Looks like the spring can't be purchased individually and you either need to spend your $4K or make something up.


From there...


That guy shows replacing the rotary type spring with a compression type one - but I have to say, it doesn't look like it will last long.

So check if the spring is broken....



I think the cooler/spring is a lot less accessible on Freelander. That video is really boring, but I think at the end he recommends adding a spring as in that XF forum thread.

The engine is sometimes known as a Ford Duratorq. Duratorq covers various engines, but it is a PSA unit, not Ford, they used in some of their brands at the time, including Land Rover.

Cheers for the info and advice mate. I thought that this platform would be the place to find out, seeing that your UK group would most likely know more than others down this way :)
 
The turbo actuator was replaced a few months earlier, so it could be related.
Was the new actuator correctly set up for the turbo? Officially the actuator and turbo can't be replaced separately, as they're factory calibrated to work with each other. Fitting a replacement actuator to an old turbo can give all sorts of odd issues, for which SDD is needed to sort out, or carry out some calibration routines for replacements to work correctly.
 
Was the new actuator correctly set up for the turbo? Officially the actuator and turbo can't be replaced separately, as they're factory calibrated to work with each other. Fitting a replacement actuator to an old turbo can give all sorts of odd issues, for which SDD is needed to sort out, or carry out some calibration routines for replacements to work correctly.
The replacement actuator was installed by an independent LR specialist, so I would hope that it was calibrated correctly, but this same mechanic is now ghosting me by not answering my calls or returning my messages.
 
The replacement actuator was installed by an independent LR specialist, so I would hope that it was calibrated correctly, but this same mechanic is now ghosting me by not answering my calls or returning my messages.
I guess it depends on what LR they are specialist on. A FL2 is very different to traditional LRs, as it's very heavily reliant on electronics and electric controls.
So just because an LR specialist did the work, there's no guarantee they've done the job correctly.
 

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