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EMB
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Rory wrote:
>
> A link to some phots of the lass is needed!
Hmmmm - I'll work on that.
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> A link to some phots of the lass is needed!
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Austin Shackles
Guest
On or around Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:02:18 +1200, EMB <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:
>Buzby wrote:
>
>> Looking her preferred modes of transport, she's obviously completely barking
>> mad. HTH
>
>She's in good company then as most of us at work seem to be marching to
>the beat of a slightly different drum.
it sounds more tempting by the minute.
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Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"The breezy call of incense-breathing Morn, The swallow twittering
from the strawbuilt shed, The cock's shrill clarion, or the echoing
horn, No more shall rouse them from their lowly bed."
Thomas Gray, Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard.
enlightened us thusly:
>Buzby wrote:
>
>> Looking her preferred modes of transport, she's obviously completely barking
>> mad. HTH
>
>She's in good company then as most of us at work seem to be marching to
>the beat of a slightly different drum.
it sounds more tempting by the minute.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"The breezy call of incense-breathing Morn, The swallow twittering
from the strawbuilt shed, The cock's shrill clarion, or the echoing
horn, No more shall rouse them from their lowly bed."
Thomas Gray, Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard.
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Ian Rawlings
Guest
On 2006-06-23, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
> it sounds more tempting by the minute.
While I'd agree that this country needs some sorting out, I don't
believe that there's any country that's perfect, and we're better than
most. The biggest problem we have in this country is with our
perception of what's going on elsewhere in the country. If you
believe the papers and TV, the place is going to hell in a handbasket
but that doesn't really appear to be the case.
I've known a fair few foreigners from Europe, and many of them have
seen the advantages of this country more than the locals do. Germans
for example are amazed at the freedom we have to do things without
signing forms in triplicate, the French are amazed that the law is
upheld rather than relying on who you know to get what's legally due
to you (much more of a problem there than here). The french economy
is also toast, as a highly-qualified but long-term unemployed french
computer geek I know constantly testifies.
If you live in the middle of a bad area, then chances are moving to a
different part of the country would be easier than moving to a
completely different country. Moving out of the cities into the
countryside is a great tonic, I've often heard it said that you have
to be rich to move to the country, but that's total defeatist
unrealistic twaddle. Many people want to live in cities infested with
chavs and other pond life, take advantage of that and get the feck
out. Living in the country is like returning home from a foreign
land. Renting and buying gets more in the country than it does in the
cities, having done both, cities represent poor value for money.
If commuting costs are a problem that stops you moving out of the
cities, instead of trying to change countries, consider trying to
change career, it's probably much easier. If you can sort your
working life out so that location is relatively irrelevant, then
you've got the pick of the country to choose from. A small semi in
Basingstoke with space for one car costs about the same as a
decent-sized cottage with some land and outbuildings in some parts of
the country.
I know that being negative about this country is in fashion at the
moment, the press certainly are going for it as much as they can, but
giving in to the negativity just makes you believe it. If your area
is ****, it doesn't mean the whole place is, and doesn't mean that you
won't end up in a **** area in another country if you jump.
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
> it sounds more tempting by the minute.
While I'd agree that this country needs some sorting out, I don't
believe that there's any country that's perfect, and we're better than
most. The biggest problem we have in this country is with our
perception of what's going on elsewhere in the country. If you
believe the papers and TV, the place is going to hell in a handbasket
but that doesn't really appear to be the case.
I've known a fair few foreigners from Europe, and many of them have
seen the advantages of this country more than the locals do. Germans
for example are amazed at the freedom we have to do things without
signing forms in triplicate, the French are amazed that the law is
upheld rather than relying on who you know to get what's legally due
to you (much more of a problem there than here). The french economy
is also toast, as a highly-qualified but long-term unemployed french
computer geek I know constantly testifies.
If you live in the middle of a bad area, then chances are moving to a
different part of the country would be easier than moving to a
completely different country. Moving out of the cities into the
countryside is a great tonic, I've often heard it said that you have
to be rich to move to the country, but that's total defeatist
unrealistic twaddle. Many people want to live in cities infested with
chavs and other pond life, take advantage of that and get the feck
out. Living in the country is like returning home from a foreign
land. Renting and buying gets more in the country than it does in the
cities, having done both, cities represent poor value for money.
If commuting costs are a problem that stops you moving out of the
cities, instead of trying to change countries, consider trying to
change career, it's probably much easier. If you can sort your
working life out so that location is relatively irrelevant, then
you've got the pick of the country to choose from. A small semi in
Basingstoke with space for one car costs about the same as a
decent-sized cottage with some land and outbuildings in some parts of
the country.
I know that being negative about this country is in fashion at the
moment, the press certainly are going for it as much as they can, but
giving in to the negativity just makes you believe it. If your area
is ****, it doesn't mean the whole place is, and doesn't mean that you
won't end up in a **** area in another country if you jump.
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
M
Mother
Guest
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:09:08 +0100, beamendsltd
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Being a victim of the anti-smoking brigade (see "Life of Grime - Lets
>Spend Half An Hour Sniggering at Smokers Isn't This Fun") I'm affraid
>the outcome is inevitable.
OT: Yep, but TBH, I'm now thinking of giving up, so the 'anti-smoking'
lobby have had an impact. With the money I save I'm tempted to go buy
a Stolly and assert my right to drive it at the legal speed limit,
everywhere.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>Being a victim of the anti-smoking brigade (see "Life of Grime - Lets
>Spend Half An Hour Sniggering at Smokers Isn't This Fun") I'm affraid
>the outcome is inevitable.
OT: Yep, but TBH, I'm now thinking of giving up, so the 'anti-smoking'
lobby have had an impact. With the money I save I'm tempted to go buy
a Stolly and assert my right to drive it at the legal speed limit,
everywhere.
--
Coming quite soon:
http://www.ulrc.net
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Ian Rawlings
Guest
On 2006-06-23, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote:
> With the money I save I'm tempted to go buy a Stolly and assert my
> right to drive it at the legal speed limit, everywhere.
One of the chaps at the MVT meets reckons he's been in a half-track
while doing 70MPH across pretty rough country, which could be rather
interesting ;-) Given the weight and size of the wheels on a large
half-track, it wouldn't have much trouble crossing many things, but I
wouldn't like tackling a large rise followed by a steep drop! A Dukes
of Hazzard air horn might be a good addition, if not exactly original
equipment.. Certainly a mental image to savour, in slow motion.
It's amazing how cheap some serious ex-military hardware is though, at
least to buy, parking space and transportation is another matter..
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
> With the money I save I'm tempted to go buy a Stolly and assert my
> right to drive it at the legal speed limit, everywhere.
One of the chaps at the MVT meets reckons he's been in a half-track
while doing 70MPH across pretty rough country, which could be rather
interesting ;-) Given the weight and size of the wheels on a large
half-track, it wouldn't have much trouble crossing many things, but I
wouldn't like tackling a large rise followed by a steep drop! A Dukes
of Hazzard air horn might be a good addition, if not exactly original
equipment.. Certainly a mental image to savour, in slow motion.
It's amazing how cheap some serious ex-military hardware is though, at
least to buy, parking space and transportation is another matter..
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
B
beamendsltd
Guest
In message <[email protected]>
Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2006-06-23, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > it sounds more tempting by the minute.
>
> While I'd agree that this country needs some sorting out, I don't
> believe that there's any country that's perfect, and we're better than
> most. The biggest problem we have in this country is with our
> perception of what's going on elsewhere in the country. If you
> believe the papers and TV, the place is going to hell in a handbasket
> but that doesn't really appear to be the case.
>
I didn't believe what the papers said until I was unfortunate
enough to end up on an "Estate". Unfortunately, what the papers
say has more than a grain of truth - "our" estate is to a
large extent lawless due to gangs of youths doing pretty much
as they please and everyone (except us!) being to affraid to
report anything, due to the yobs knowing that they will have
plenty of time to fabricate alibis and intimidate wintnesses,
with the aid of a free solicitor well versed in what they
should say.
And "our" estate is not bad by the standards of Leeds etc.
Problems get sorted out, but not by the law.
Not having an anti-Police rant, but when seeing three Policemen
standing around at a Ministry road-side check point achieving
nothing except annoying motorists (why do they assume you have
all the time in the world to amuse them?) and calls for help
when your house is under theat beacuse you "did the right thing"
being ignored makes my blood boil. Now if the Ministry
check was on the *estate* I could see some point, but doing it
nice quiet lay-bys out in the country? Well, anything for an easy
life I suppose....... as ever, go for the easy targets to make
the figures look good. If those Minstry blokes did something
useful like sit outside the four booze outlets on the estate
watching the huge quatities of alcohol being dispensed to
under-age drinkers then they really could say they were
contributing to the common good rather than fund-raising.
<snip>
Richard
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Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2006-06-23, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > it sounds more tempting by the minute.
>
> While I'd agree that this country needs some sorting out, I don't
> believe that there's any country that's perfect, and we're better than
> most. The biggest problem we have in this country is with our
> perception of what's going on elsewhere in the country. If you
> believe the papers and TV, the place is going to hell in a handbasket
> but that doesn't really appear to be the case.
>
I didn't believe what the papers said until I was unfortunate
enough to end up on an "Estate". Unfortunately, what the papers
say has more than a grain of truth - "our" estate is to a
large extent lawless due to gangs of youths doing pretty much
as they please and everyone (except us!) being to affraid to
report anything, due to the yobs knowing that they will have
plenty of time to fabricate alibis and intimidate wintnesses,
with the aid of a free solicitor well versed in what they
should say.
And "our" estate is not bad by the standards of Leeds etc.
Problems get sorted out, but not by the law.
Not having an anti-Police rant, but when seeing three Policemen
standing around at a Ministry road-side check point achieving
nothing except annoying motorists (why do they assume you have
all the time in the world to amuse them?) and calls for help
when your house is under theat beacuse you "did the right thing"
being ignored makes my blood boil. Now if the Ministry
check was on the *estate* I could see some point, but doing it
nice quiet lay-bys out in the country? Well, anything for an easy
life I suppose....... as ever, go for the easy targets to make
the figures look good. If those Minstry blokes did something
useful like sit outside the four booze outlets on the estate
watching the huge quatities of alcohol being dispensed to
under-age drinkers then they really could say they were
contributing to the common good rather than fund-raising.
<snip>
Richard
--
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Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
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Ian Rawlings
Guest
On 2006-06-23, beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:
> And "our" estate is not bad by the standards of Leeds etc.
> Problems get sorted out, but not by the law.
Yeah, there certainly are problem areas, when moving out of Reading, I
was loading up the landy and left it unlocked when I went inside to
get the next box. Came out to find two pond life looking in the back,
the road I was on at the time was OK but it had a sink-hole estate at
one end and town centre at the other. On a trip to London (dreadful
place) recently to pick up an ebay purchase, ended up on another
run-down estate, loading a large monitor into the back of the landy
while a pair of drug dealers plied their trade 15 feet away.
Sometimes I think that the police have just given up on such places
and just leave the residents to rot.
The recent-ish riots in France have shown that it's no better there,
and in Germany, black football fans attending the World Cup matches
have been advised to stick to certain areas because some towns are so
bad they'll get lynched if they stray off the path, apparently the
police can't, or won't, protect them. There are plenty of sink-hole
estates in France, one particularly notorious one was the centre of a
child sex ring that was well publicised less than a year ago. In
Australie, riots broke out on a popular tourist beach due to rival
gangs of white australians and various non-white groups who have been
banding together on race lines and attacking each other for years.
The police in these countries also seem to have given up on the areas
in question.
Jumping to a different country to try to escape would seem to be far
harder than jumping out of the cities though, which is what I was on
about in the first place.
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
> And "our" estate is not bad by the standards of Leeds etc.
> Problems get sorted out, but not by the law.
Yeah, there certainly are problem areas, when moving out of Reading, I
was loading up the landy and left it unlocked when I went inside to
get the next box. Came out to find two pond life looking in the back,
the road I was on at the time was OK but it had a sink-hole estate at
one end and town centre at the other. On a trip to London (dreadful
place) recently to pick up an ebay purchase, ended up on another
run-down estate, loading a large monitor into the back of the landy
while a pair of drug dealers plied their trade 15 feet away.
Sometimes I think that the police have just given up on such places
and just leave the residents to rot.
The recent-ish riots in France have shown that it's no better there,
and in Germany, black football fans attending the World Cup matches
have been advised to stick to certain areas because some towns are so
bad they'll get lynched if they stray off the path, apparently the
police can't, or won't, protect them. There are plenty of sink-hole
estates in France, one particularly notorious one was the centre of a
child sex ring that was well publicised less than a year ago. In
Australie, riots broke out on a popular tourist beach due to rival
gangs of white australians and various non-white groups who have been
banding together on race lines and attacking each other for years.
The police in these countries also seem to have given up on the areas
in question.
Jumping to a different country to try to escape would seem to be far
harder than jumping out of the cities though, which is what I was on
about in the first place.
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
L
Lee_D
Guest
EMB <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
> Jesus H Christ - another Pom with a sheep fixation. Both the Welsh
> and Kiwis let the sheep be sheep and don't bother trying to project
> our fantasies onto the ovine inhabitants of the neighbouring country.
> ;-)
Ok Ok so I hand reared lambs as a kid and couldn't bring myself to add mint
sauce. Living in the town is much more dull by comparison but it does play
lass havoc with my Hay fever
Lee D
> Jesus H Christ - another Pom with a sheep fixation. Both the Welsh
> and Kiwis let the sheep be sheep and don't bother trying to project
> our fantasies onto the ovine inhabitants of the neighbouring country.
> ;-)
Ok Ok so I hand reared lambs as a kid and couldn't bring myself to add mint
sauce. Living in the town is much more dull by comparison but it does play
lass havoc with my Hay fever
Lee D
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Matthew Maddock
Guest
> I mean generally bad press from the misinformed idiots that know nothing & BTW i use mine for work too!!
Apologies if I am a day out here, but did anyone see the front of The
Independent today/yesterday/the day before?! I honestly couldn't
be bothered to read it, but the whole front page was just a photo of a
4x4 (mitsi I think?) with the headline (if I recall correctly) "Enemy
of the People".
Just found the article on their website...
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article1095828.ece
Matt
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Ian Rawlings
Guest
On 2006-06-24, Matthew Maddock <[email protected]> wrote:
> Just found the article on their website...
It's another London-centric special, 4x4 users more likely to use
mobile phones while driving and not wear seatbelts. Presumably this
will be extrapolated in a future article to show that they are more
likely to abduct children and become serial killers.
There's a few contradictory things, e.g. 4x4 users have been found to
be less likely to be injured in a crash than non-4x4 users, which
we're often told isn't true, or is true, or isn't true. We're also
told that less than 5% of 4x4s go off-road, while the ramblers witter
on about the increase in 4x4 sales proving that the whole countryside,
every single inch of it, will be turned to muddy quagmires by yuppies
in armani suits in 4x4s full of kidnapped children, towing the rotting
corpses of those the drivers have murdered in cold blood.
And so on.
I may have exaggerated a little, just getting into the spirit of the
article.
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
> Just found the article on their website...
It's another London-centric special, 4x4 users more likely to use
mobile phones while driving and not wear seatbelts. Presumably this
will be extrapolated in a future article to show that they are more
likely to abduct children and become serial killers.
There's a few contradictory things, e.g. 4x4 users have been found to
be less likely to be injured in a crash than non-4x4 users, which
we're often told isn't true, or is true, or isn't true. We're also
told that less than 5% of 4x4s go off-road, while the ramblers witter
on about the increase in 4x4 sales proving that the whole countryside,
every single inch of it, will be turned to muddy quagmires by yuppies
in armani suits in 4x4s full of kidnapped children, towing the rotting
corpses of those the drivers have murdered in cold blood.
And so on.
I may have exaggerated a little, just getting into the spirit of the
article.
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
B
beamendsltd
Guest
In message <[email protected]>
Matthew Maddock <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I mean generally bad press from the misinformed idiots that know nothing & BTW i use mine for work too!!
>
> Apologies if I am a day out here, but did anyone see the front of The
> Independent today/yesterday/the day before?! I honestly couldn't
> be bothered to read it, but the whole front page was just a photo of a
> 4x4 (mitsi I think?) with the headline (if I recall correctly) "Enemy
> of the People".
>
> Just found the article on their website...
>
> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article1095828.ece
>
> Matt
You weren't atually expecting to fine news articles in the
Independent were you?
Richard
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Matthew Maddock <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I mean generally bad press from the misinformed idiots that know nothing & BTW i use mine for work too!!
>
> Apologies if I am a day out here, but did anyone see the front of The
> Independent today/yesterday/the day before?! I honestly couldn't
> be bothered to read it, but the whole front page was just a photo of a
> 4x4 (mitsi I think?) with the headline (if I recall correctly) "Enemy
> of the People".
>
> Just found the article on their website...
>
> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article1095828.ece
>
> Matt
You weren't atually expecting to fine news articles in the
Independent were you?
Richard
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Matthew Maddock
Guest
> You weren't atually expecting to fine news articles in the
> Independent were you?
LOL - I wouldn't know actually, I'm a firm Telegraph man! I was
rather shocked at the front page tho, I thought that sort of thing
was the preserve of the gutter press. I guess the Independent is
trying to get in on the act, probably in an attempt to boost sales.
Having read the article on the website now, it is truly worthy of
The Sun!
Matt
L
Lee_D
Guest
Matthew Maddock <[email protected]> uttered
summat worrerz funny about:
>> I mean generally bad press from the misinformed idiots that know
>> nothing & BTW i use mine for work too!!
>
> Apologies if I am a day out here, but did anyone see the front of The
> Independent today/yesterday/the day before?! I honestly couldn't
> be bothered to read it, but the whole front page was just a photo of a
> 4x4 (mitsi I think?) with the headline (if I recall correctly) "Enemy
> of the People".
>
> Just found the article on their website...
>
> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article1095828.ece
>
> Matt
Utter bollocks init. I couldn't here the friggin phone in 2 out of 3 of my
4x4's (Thats 66% according to a survey by me)
One minute the Ramblers moan because we are "off road" as they put it.. then
they moan because only 5% of 4x4's see more mud than a school playing
field.... well they would if the gearbox didn't pack up eh Simon! ;-)
Lee D
summat worrerz funny about:
>> I mean generally bad press from the misinformed idiots that know
>> nothing & BTW i use mine for work too!!
>
> Apologies if I am a day out here, but did anyone see the front of The
> Independent today/yesterday/the day before?! I honestly couldn't
> be bothered to read it, but the whole front page was just a photo of a
> 4x4 (mitsi I think?) with the headline (if I recall correctly) "Enemy
> of the People".
>
> Just found the article on their website...
>
> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article1095828.ece
>
> Matt
Utter bollocks init. I couldn't here the friggin phone in 2 out of 3 of my
4x4's (Thats 66% according to a survey by me)
One minute the Ramblers moan because we are "off road" as they put it.. then
they moan because only 5% of 4x4's see more mud than a school playing
field.... well they would if the gearbox didn't pack up eh Simon! ;-)
Lee D
L
Larry
Guest
One of the interesting passtimes on my estate is watching the police turn
out mob handed every so often with riot shields, dogs and helicopters. Funny
thing is they seem to have no inhibitions about tearing around the green in
there transits while condemning the kids on the quad bikes who do likewise.
One of the reasons I own a landie (and there are quite a few proper landies
round here) is that it is less likely to be broken into (not that it hasn't
been mind you)
--
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Series 3 rust and holes
"beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:86f2753b4e%[email protected]...
> In message <[email protected]>
> Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> I didn't believe what the papers said until I was unfortunate
> enough to end up on an "Estate". Unfortunately, what the papers
> say has more than a grain of truth - "our" estate is to a
> large extent lawless due to gangs of youths doing pretty much
> as they please and everyone (except us!) being to affraid to
> report anything, due to the yobs knowing that they will have
> plenty of time to fabricate alibis and intimidate wintnesses,
> with the aid of a free solicitor well versed in what they
> should say.
> And "our" estate is not bad by the standards of Leeds etc.
> Problems get sorted out, but not by the law.
>
> Not having an anti-Police rant, but when seeing three Policemen
> standing around at a Ministry road-side check point achieving
> nothing except annoying motorists (why do they assume you have
> all the time in the world to amuse them?) and calls for help
> when your house is under theat beacuse you "did the right thing"
> being ignored makes my blood boil. Now if the Ministry
> check was on the *estate* I could see some point, but doing it
> nice quiet lay-bys out in the country? Well, anything for an easy
> life I suppose....... as ever, go for the easy targets to make
> the figures look good. If those Minstry blokes did something
> useful like sit outside the four booze outlets on the estate
> watching the huge quatities of alcohol being dispensed to
> under-age drinkers then they really could say they were
> contributing to the common good rather than fund-raising.
>
> <snip>
>
> Richard
>
> --
> www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
> RISC-OS - Where have all the good guys gone?
> Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
out mob handed every so often with riot shields, dogs and helicopters. Funny
thing is they seem to have no inhibitions about tearing around the green in
there transits while condemning the kids on the quad bikes who do likewise.
One of the reasons I own a landie (and there are quite a few proper landies
round here) is that it is less likely to be broken into (not that it hasn't
been mind you)
--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes
"beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:86f2753b4e%[email protected]...
> In message <[email protected]>
> Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> I didn't believe what the papers said until I was unfortunate
> enough to end up on an "Estate". Unfortunately, what the papers
> say has more than a grain of truth - "our" estate is to a
> large extent lawless due to gangs of youths doing pretty much
> as they please and everyone (except us!) being to affraid to
> report anything, due to the yobs knowing that they will have
> plenty of time to fabricate alibis and intimidate wintnesses,
> with the aid of a free solicitor well versed in what they
> should say.
> And "our" estate is not bad by the standards of Leeds etc.
> Problems get sorted out, but not by the law.
>
> Not having an anti-Police rant, but when seeing three Policemen
> standing around at a Ministry road-side check point achieving
> nothing except annoying motorists (why do they assume you have
> all the time in the world to amuse them?) and calls for help
> when your house is under theat beacuse you "did the right thing"
> being ignored makes my blood boil. Now if the Ministry
> check was on the *estate* I could see some point, but doing it
> nice quiet lay-bys out in the country? Well, anything for an easy
> life I suppose....... as ever, go for the easy targets to make
> the figures look good. If those Minstry blokes did something
> useful like sit outside the four booze outlets on the estate
> watching the huge quatities of alcohol being dispensed to
> under-age drinkers then they really could say they were
> contributing to the common good rather than fund-raising.
>
> <snip>
>
> Richard
>
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In message <[email protected]>
"Lee_D" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Matthew Maddock <[email protected]> uttered
> summat worrerz funny about:
> >> I mean generally bad press from the misinformed idiots that know
> >> nothing & BTW i use mine for work too!!
> >
> > Apologies if I am a day out here, but did anyone see the front of The
> > Independent today/yesterday/the day before?! I honestly couldn't
> > be bothered to read it, but the whole front page was just a photo of a
> > 4x4 (mitsi I think?) with the headline (if I recall correctly) "Enemy
> > of the People".
> >
> > Just found the article on their website...
> >
> > http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article1095828.ece
> >
> > Matt
>
> Utter bollocks init. I couldn't here the friggin phone in 2 out of 3 of my
> 4x4's (Thats 66% according to a survey by me)
>
> One minute the Ramblers moan because we are "off road" as they put it.. then
> they moan because only 5% of 4x4's see more mud than a school playing
> field.... well they would if the gearbox didn't pack up eh Simon! ;-)
>
> Lee D
>
>
56% of statistics are made up on the spot! Seriously though, and
taking a very emotive example - Herceptin. Pretty much a cure for
breast cancer isn't? Having it will save your life won't it? (BTW
men can get breast cancer too). We've seen it all in the news, right?
The real figures are, from the BBC web site in a discussion of the
abuse of statistics, that, in some types of breast cancer, Herceptin
can improve the non-recurrence rate from 17% to just over 9% - a
very small improvement really. Funny that the news articles fail
to mention it!
Richard
*Belive me, I'd be the first in the queue for clutching at straws
if I had cancer though......
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"Lee_D" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Matthew Maddock <[email protected]> uttered
> summat worrerz funny about:
> >> I mean generally bad press from the misinformed idiots that know
> >> nothing & BTW i use mine for work too!!
> >
> > Apologies if I am a day out here, but did anyone see the front of The
> > Independent today/yesterday/the day before?! I honestly couldn't
> > be bothered to read it, but the whole front page was just a photo of a
> > 4x4 (mitsi I think?) with the headline (if I recall correctly) "Enemy
> > of the People".
> >
> > Just found the article on their website...
> >
> > http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article1095828.ece
> >
> > Matt
>
> Utter bollocks init. I couldn't here the friggin phone in 2 out of 3 of my
> 4x4's (Thats 66% according to a survey by me)
>
> One minute the Ramblers moan because we are "off road" as they put it.. then
> they moan because only 5% of 4x4's see more mud than a school playing
> field.... well they would if the gearbox didn't pack up eh Simon! ;-)
>
> Lee D
>
>
56% of statistics are made up on the spot! Seriously though, and
taking a very emotive example - Herceptin. Pretty much a cure for
breast cancer isn't? Having it will save your life won't it? (BTW
men can get breast cancer too). We've seen it all in the news, right?
The real figures are, from the BBC web site in a discussion of the
abuse of statistics, that, in some types of breast cancer, Herceptin
can improve the non-recurrence rate from 17% to just over 9% - a
very small improvement really. Funny that the news articles fail
to mention it!
Richard
*Belive me, I'd be the first in the queue for clutching at straws
if I had cancer though......
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Matthew Maddock
Guest
> The real figures are, from the BBC web site in a discussion of the
> abuse of statistics, that, in some types of breast cancer, Herceptin
> can improve the non-recurrence rate from 17% to just over 9% - a
> very small improvement really. Funny that the news articles fail
> to mention it!
Yes - I saw that too and was pretty amazed given that it is touted
as a wonder cure.
Is that the same article that went on about how the water companies
have manipulated the figures for rainfall to show that this is the
driest year for the past 10 million years?! - whereas if you
include the month before into the figures they used, there are several
years in the 90's that were actually drier!
Matt
> abuse of statistics, that, in some types of breast cancer, Herceptin
> can improve the non-recurrence rate from 17% to just over 9% - a
> very small improvement really. Funny that the news articles fail
> to mention it!
Yes - I saw that too and was pretty amazed given that it is touted
as a wonder cure.
Is that the same article that went on about how the water companies
have manipulated the figures for rainfall to show that this is the
driest year for the past 10 million years?!
- whereas if youinclude the month before into the figures they used, there are several
years in the 90's that were actually drier!
Matt
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In message <[email protected]>
"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote:
> One of the interesting passtimes on my estate is watching the police turn
> out mob handed every so often with riot shields, dogs and helicopters. Funny
> thing is they seem to have no inhibitions about tearing around the green in
> there transits while condemning the kids on the quad bikes who do likewise.
>
> One of the reasons I own a landie (and there are quite a few proper landies
> round here) is that it is less likely to be broken into (not that it hasn't
> been mind you)
>
>
I used to use a small hotel/B&B near Swansea for work a while back.
The landlord had dispaired of having his car broken into/stolen,
so he drilled all the locks out. It was never touched again!
Richard
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"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote:
> One of the interesting passtimes on my estate is watching the police turn
> out mob handed every so often with riot shields, dogs and helicopters. Funny
> thing is they seem to have no inhibitions about tearing around the green in
> there transits while condemning the kids on the quad bikes who do likewise.
>
> One of the reasons I own a landie (and there are quite a few proper landies
> round here) is that it is less likely to be broken into (not that it hasn't
> been mind you)
>
>
I used to use a small hotel/B&B near Swansea for work a while back.
The landlord had dispaired of having his car broken into/stolen,
so he drilled all the locks out. It was never touched again!
Richard
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steve
Guest
Matthew Maddock wrote:
>> The real figures are, from the BBC web site in a discussion of the
>> abuse of statistics, that, in some types of breast cancer, Herceptin
>> can improve the non-recurrence rate from 17% to just over 9% - a
>> very small improvement really. Funny that the news articles fail
>> to mention it!
>
> Yes - I saw that too and was pretty amazed given that it is touted
> as a wonder cure.
>
>
The trick is that it is only really effective in women with a gene
defect in BRCA2, if you haven't got a cancer related to that, it doesn't
help
Steve
>> The real figures are, from the BBC web site in a discussion of the
>> abuse of statistics, that, in some types of breast cancer, Herceptin
>> can improve the non-recurrence rate from 17% to just over 9% - a
>> very small improvement really. Funny that the news articles fail
>> to mention it!
>
> Yes - I saw that too and was pretty amazed given that it is touted
> as a wonder cure.
>
>
The trick is that it is only really effective in women with a gene
defect in BRCA2, if you haven't got a cancer related to that, it doesn't
help
Steve
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Mother
Guest
On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:06:21 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:
>OT: Yep, but TBH, I'm now thinking of giving up, so the 'anti-smoking'
>lobby have had an impact. With the money I save I'm tempted to go buy
>a Stolly and assert my right to drive it at the legal speed limit,
>everywhere.
Last bit should have read:
"and assert my right to drive it at the slowest legal speed limit,"
^^^^^^^
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wrote:
>OT: Yep, but TBH, I'm now thinking of giving up, so the 'anti-smoking'
>lobby have had an impact. With the money I save I'm tempted to go buy
>a Stolly and assert my right to drive it at the legal speed limit,
>everywhere.
Last bit should have read:
"and assert my right to drive it at the slowest legal speed limit,"
^^^^^^^
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SimonJ
Guest
>
> Jumping to a different country to try to escape would seem to be far
> harder than jumping out of the cities though, which is what I was on
> about in the first place.
>
This country is an absolute ****hole no matter where you live.
Personally I'm sick of having to pay an absolute fortune in taxes, to fund
the pondlife chavs who sit around all day in a house paid for by my taxes,
drinking whitelightning paid for out of dole money funded by my taxes,
watching Jeremy Kyle on a TV stolen from some poor unfortunate who worked
many an hour to buy it. Sick of the PC brigade defending the rights of
thieving scum, while condemning home owners who defend their own property.
This country is so biased against the honest, hard working people, that it
make it almost worth just chucking the job in and joining the massed ranks
of the happily unemployed.
This country has also made itself a target for every extremist terrorist
going, because of some prick in no10 sticking his head so far up Bush's arse
that all you can see are feet.
And no, I don't live in a city, or town, I live in a nice sleepy little
village, where we are pretty much untroubled by all this, but just because
its OK here doesn't make the country any a better place.
> Jumping to a different country to try to escape would seem to be far
> harder than jumping out of the cities though, which is what I was on
> about in the first place.
>
This country is an absolute ****hole no matter where you live.
Personally I'm sick of having to pay an absolute fortune in taxes, to fund
the pondlife chavs who sit around all day in a house paid for by my taxes,
drinking whitelightning paid for out of dole money funded by my taxes,
watching Jeremy Kyle on a TV stolen from some poor unfortunate who worked
many an hour to buy it. Sick of the PC brigade defending the rights of
thieving scum, while condemning home owners who defend their own property.
This country is so biased against the honest, hard working people, that it
make it almost worth just chucking the job in and joining the massed ranks
of the happily unemployed.
This country has also made itself a target for every extremist terrorist
going, because of some prick in no10 sticking his head so far up Bush's arse
that all you can see are feet.
And no, I don't live in a city, or town, I live in a nice sleepy little
village, where we are pretty much untroubled by all this, but just because
its OK here doesn't make the country any a better place.
