tirfor winches

I quite fancy a hand winch to carry in the 101 in case of emergency -
especially if i am going to do a few miles - I dont want to risk
getting stuck somewhere!

However, the maximum rating that the tirfors seem to come in is 1.5
tons.

My 101 is going to weigh between 2.25 and 3.5 tons (depnding on load).

Is it worth getting a tirfor to use on it, or is it just too far above
the rating?

Tom Woods wrote:

> I quite fancy a hand winch to carry in the 101 in case of emergency -
> especially if i am going to do a few miles - I dont want to risk
> getting stuck somewhere!
>
> However, the maximum rating that the tirfors seem to come in is 1.5
> tons.
>
> My 101 is going to weigh between 2.25 and 3.5 tons (depnding on load).
>
> Is it worth getting a tirfor to use on it, or is it just too far above
> the rating?

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On 2006-07-03, Tom Woods <[email protected]> wrote:

> However, the maximum rating that the tirfors seem to come in is 1.5
> tons.
>
> My 101 is going to weigh between 2.25 and 3.5 tons (depnding on load).

Only really relevant if you are going to lift it straight up in the
air. Rolling resistance across the ground is much lower.

Tirfors (or rope hoists in general, e.g. Brano) are very useful. I
tried pulling a small stump out of the ground with one, using a 2.5
tonne truck as an anchor. Stump didn't move, truck got hauled up a
small incline, wheels skidding on the ground, and I wasn't straining
that hard.

> Is it worth getting a tirfor to use on it, or is it just too far above
> the rating?

It's always worth having one to hand. A tip that I've seen in a few
places, get a wheelbarrow tyre (just the tyre, no wheel) and use that
to store the cable, makes it easier to cart around.

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Tom Woods came up with the following;:
> I quite fancy a hand winch to carry in the 101 in case of emergency -
> especially if i am going to do a few miles - I dont want to risk
> getting stuck somewhere!
>
> However, the maximum rating that the tirfors seem to come in is 1.5
> tons.
>
> My 101 is going to weigh between 2.25 and 3.5 tons (depnding on load).
>
> Is it worth getting a tirfor to use on it, or is it just too far above
> the rating?

Yes. Brilliant bits of kit, especially when used with pulleys, snatch
blocks etc to 'magnify' the pull. Rolling resistance is a lot less than
you'd think, unless it's stuck to the axles ...

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Tom Woods wrote:
> I quite fancy a hand winch to carry in the 101 in case of emergency -
> especially if i am going to do a few miles - I dont want to risk
> getting stuck somewhere!
>
> However, the maximum rating that the tirfors seem to come in is 1.5
> tons.
>
> My 101 is going to weigh between 2.25 and 3.5 tons (depnding on load).
>
> Is it worth getting a tirfor to use on it, or is it just too far above
> the rating?
>
>
>
There are bigger Tirfors than that - mine is the next one up, 5 tonne
line pull. The down side is the rope is not very easy to handle, at 19mm
thickness. But it'll get you out of most situations, and I've used it
(with an old crane hook for a block) to literally rip trees out of the
ground, they come up roots & all, as long as I can get the rope high
enough. The pull on them with a snatch block is startling, you need to
make sure all your equipment is rated for the achieved 10 tonne pull.

Karen

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Tom Woods wrote:
> I quite fancy a hand winch to carry in the 101 in case of emergency -
> especially if i am going to do a few miles - I dont want to risk
> getting stuck somewhere!
>
> However, the maximum rating that the tirfors seem to come in is 1.5
> tons.
>
> My 101 is going to weigh between 2.25 and 3.5 tons (depnding on load).
>
> Is it worth getting a tirfor to use on it, or is it just too far above
> the rating?
>
>
>
What is the current value of a Tirfor winch? There is one going at the
local second hand place for €330 (£475) but I don't know if it's
overpriced. It seems to have a coil of good condition rope, but I
didn't notice any handles. If they are missing, what can be used
instead? Presumably the old Land-Rover stand-by of "a piece of
scoffolding"!

Stuart

Thanks everyone, i shall give it a go!

Ive always fancied one since dragging my car with a siezed gearbox
into the drive using a hi-lift as a winch and it was very hard work
and took ages!

Dougal - theres a lot of reading in that there PDF. I was slightly
concerned that i saw some equations in it too.

I see the point that the truck weight is less relevant when you are
rolling it rather than lifting it up!

Use of a Tirfor will also soon teach you how to avoid getting stuck!
They can be hard work unless you're young and fit.

Gordo(no longer young, never was fit)

On 2006-07-04, Tom Woods <[email protected]> wrote:

> Ive always fancied one since dragging my car with a siezed gearbox
> into the drive using a hi-lift as a winch and it was very hard work
> and took ages!

Using a rope hoist will be very hard work and will take ages! All
you'll gain is not having to keep resetting the chains/ropes to get
around the short winching distance of a high-lift. Just think of a
rope hoist as a high-lift jack winch with a really really long
backbone beam. You can also put wire rope around pulleys, which makes
for less hard work for longer time.

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On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 10:26:55 +0200, Srtgray <[email protected]>
wrote:

>What is the current value of a Tirfor winch? There is one going at the
>local second hand place for €330 (£475) but I don't know if it's
>overpriced. It seems to have a coil of good condition rope, but I
>didn't notice any handles. If they are missing, what can be used
>instead? Presumably the old Land-Rover stand-by of "a piece of
>scoffolding"!

The second hand one i've found is a 10th of that price!, so either
that one is very overpriced or the one i'm getting is underpriced?

On 4 Jul 2006 01:51:26 -0700, "gordon" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Use of a Tirfor will also soon teach you how to avoid getting stuck!
>They can be hard work unless you're young and fit.

i'm not intending on getting stuck, but it would be nice to have
around just incase I do!

I like the think i'm fairly good for both of the above (but then so do
a lot people!)

gordon wrote:
> Use of a Tirfor will also soon teach you how to avoid getting stuck!
> They can be hard work unless you're young and fit.
>
> Gordo(no longer young, never was fit)
>
Ah, but if you are old (I am 58) they are easier than the capstan on the
front of my Series. And time isn't a factor for me any more

I'm confident the Tirfor will get me out of anything I'm careless enough
to get myself into.

Karen

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gordon wrote, On 04/07/2006 09:51:
> Use of a Tirfor will also soon teach you how to avoid getting stuck!
> They can be hard work unless you're young and fit.
>
> Gordo(no longer young, never was fit)

Yep, they certainly are hard work. I've got an old T35, capable of
lifting 3.5 tons off the ground or dragging 5 tons along it. The winch
is massive and sits behind the rear bulkhead of our SIII. The cable is
also massive and lives inside a motorbike tyre. Just unpacking the winch
before a recovery attempt is exhausting.

I would recommend the 1.5 ton version as mentioned before, the cable is
much smaller (weight and wound diameter), and it can be used with a
sensible size snatch block.

In my experience there is never a tree in the right place to winch from
when you get stuck. Also the reason you got stuck in a muddy rut is also
the reason you wont get the ground anchor to stay in. Best to turn round
and try another day or make sure you have a friend to pull you out again.

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DavidM came up with the following;:

> In my experience there is never a tree in the right place to winch from
> when you get stuck. Also the reason you got stuck in a muddy rut is also
> the reason you wont get the ground anchor to stay in. Best to turn round
> and try another day or make sure you have a friend to pull you out again.

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The camp, the Disco before, the vehicles... and after ... and how ...

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Srtgray wrote:

|| Tom Woods wrote:
||| I quite fancy a hand winch to carry in the 101 in case of emergency
||| - especially if i am going to do a few miles - I dont want to risk
||| getting stuck somewhere!
|||
||| However, the maximum rating that the tirfors seem to come in is 1.5
||| tons.
|||
||| My 101 is going to weigh between 2.25 and 3.5 tons (depnding on
||| load).
|||
||| Is it worth getting a tirfor to use on it, or is it just too far
||| above the rating?
|||
|||
|||
|| What is the current value of a Tirfor winch? There is one going at
|| the local second hand place for €330 (£475) but I don't know if it's
|| overpriced. It seems to have a coil of good condition rope, but I
|| didn't notice any handles. If they are missing, what can be used
|| instead? Presumably the old Land-Rover stand-by of "a piece of
|| scoffolding"!
||
|| Stuart

Are you sure these are the right way round? My calculation would make €330
about 230GBP.

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Tom Woods wrote:

> Dougal - theres a lot of reading in that there PDF. I was slightly
> concerned that i saw some equations in it too.
>
> I see the point that the truck weight is less relevant when you are
> rolling it rather than lifting it up!

That's what I wanted you to see. Glad you got the message.

If you can get the 1.5 ton for the price you mention, go for it.

Richard Brookman wrote:
> Srtgray wrote:
>
> || Tom Woods wrote:
> ||| I quite fancy a hand winch to carry in the 101 in case of emergency
> ||| - especially if i am going to do a few miles - I dont want to risk
> ||| getting stuck somewhere!
> |||
> ||| However, the maximum rating that the tirfors seem to come in is 1.5
> ||| tons.
> |||
> ||| My 101 is going to weigh between 2.25 and 3.5 tons (depnding on
> ||| load).
> |||
> ||| Is it worth getting a tirfor to use on it, or is it just too far
> ||| above the rating?
> |||
> |||
> |||
> || What is the current value of a Tirfor winch? There is one going at
> || the local second hand place for €330 (£475) but I don't know if it's
> || overpriced. It seems to have a coil of good condition rope, but I
> || didn't notice any handles. If they are missing, what can be used
> || instead? Presumably the old Land-Rover stand-by of "a piece of
> || scoffolding"!
> ||
> || Stuart
>
> Are you sure these are the right way round? My calculation would make €330
> about 230GBP.
>
Buggrit! Yes, you're right

Stuart

If you go for the Tirfor's the size of the cable is odd to them and no other
will work safely, can be expensive if you get a Tirfor without a cable, the
Brano's I think use standard sized cable, all these type of rope hoists are
designed to lift so the rating of them is to lift straight up, if pulling
along the ground you can increase the load you are pulling, either way they
have shear pins in the handle so you can not over load them.

Richard
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"Dougal" <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Tom Woods wrote:
>
>> Dougal - theres a lot of reading in that there PDF. I was slightly
>> concerned that i saw some equations in it too.
>>
>> I see the point that the truck weight is less relevant when you are
>> rolling it rather than lifting it up!
>
> That's what I wanted you to see. Glad you got the message.
>
> If you can get the 1.5 ton for the price you mention, go for it.

On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 20:33:09 +0100, Dougal
<DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:

>Tom Woods wrote:
>
>> Dougal - theres a lot of reading in that there PDF. I was slightly
>> concerned that i saw some equations in it too.
>>
>> I see the point that the truck weight is less relevant when you are
>> rolling it rather than lifting it up!
>
>That's what I wanted you to see. Glad you got the message.
>
>If you can get the 1.5 ton for the price you mention, go for it.

picking it up on thursday. Comes with a cable too apparently.

On or around Tue, 4 Jul 2006 19:55:05 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Are you sure these are the right way round? My calculation would make €330
>about 230GBP.

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