new Freelander

Morning Everyone, WELL Yesterday I took the plunge on a 2003 freelander TD4 short mot the only fault was a wiper fault drivers side. done checks all good so far ,run round no noises clunks nothing pays the £550 and begins the journey home some 58 miles pulls great in all gears seemed a bit slow on a couple of steepe hills had to go through gears any way got to with in a mile of home and the clutch pedal went to the floor, got home and went to open bonnet again and could not lol by now thunder etc so gave up would i be right in thinking(hoping) its a new clutch master and slave cylinder required as is a sealed system I believe? as the clutch it self was showing no problems when driving

You'll be hoping its just the master as you won't want to take the gearbox off if you don't have to.

Sadly it is usually the slave cylinder. Looks like the seller bled the system and it nearly got you home. Look for fluid loss underneath but usually contained within bellhousing so hard to spot. All you can do is refill, bleed and observe. A master needs to be a good make or it won't work properly and the clutch will bite in the carpet.

andyfreelandy said:

Sadly it is usually the slave cylinder. Looks like the seller bled the system and it nearly got you home. Look for fluid loss underneath but usually contained within bellhousing so hard to spot. All you can do is refill, bleed and observe. A master needs to be a good make or it won't work properly and the clutch will bite in the carpet.

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are they not a sealed system come as one unit ie master pipework to slave and slave with the master already filled??

Not on TD4. Quick connector near gearbox and a bleed valve. Slave is concentric housed within gearbox near release bearing.

Thankyou both , now we went to move the vehicle yesterday I got into start it just out of curiousity I put me foot under the clutch pedal and it sprang back up and started working again! Is there such a thing as a spring that assists the clutch pedal to return or is there something else?

This can happen on occasion. It can due to either the clutch being almost out, over extending the slave, or the master cylinder needs a flush, as there's a build-up of sludge at the end of the piston travel.

Nodge68 said:

This can happen on occasion. It can due to either the clutch being almost out, over extending the slave, or the master cylinder needs a flush, as there's a build-up of sludge at the end of the piston travel.

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what do you think is the most likely? The car pulls well no difficulty with the gears

GerryN said:

what do you think is the most likely? The car pulls well no difficulty with the gears

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Impossible to say, but a quick look at the colour of the fluid in the reservoir will give you a good indication as to the cleanliness of the hydraulic system. The fluid should be clear, and not have black debris in it.
If it's black, then a good flush through with some fresh fluid could well solve the issue.

Nodge68 said:

Impossible to say, but a quick look at the colour of the fluid in the reservoir will give you a good indication as to the cleanliness of the hydraulic system. The fluid should be clear, and not have black debris in it.
If it's black, then a good flush through with some fresh fluid could well solve the issue.

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Thanks for this info, So that could be why the problem did not manifest itself untill over the 50 miles journey had been done. If the master c has black bits/debry would a new master cylinder be a good idea

GerryN said:

Thanks for this info, So that could be why the problem did not manifest itself untill over the 50 miles journey had been done. If the master c has black bits/debry would a new master cylinder be a good idea

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Would you have an idea of the cost off clutch replacement on 2003 TD4 se H/B what ever H/B means??

Hard back 3 door I guess ?
Budget 800 to 1000 for a complete clutch, slave, gearbox input shaft seal and labour. Labour is biggest bit so get all the failure points done at same time !!

Has it failed again ?

andyfreelandy said:

Hard back 3 door I guess ?
Budget 800 to 1000 for a complete clutch, slave, gearbox input shaft seal and labour. Labour is biggest bit so get all the failure points done at same time !!

Has it failed again ?

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Hi Andyfreelandy no Just trying to get some figures together, I only moved it on the drive way after lifting pedal its raining badly here in Northampshire. so I have not been able to attend to the known fault which is drivers wiper not working - The arms on the car but does not move with wipers on but the motor arm is working just waiting on a new set of wipers then I will hopefully repair it Then I will try it again if weather drys up I will change the clutch fluid.

GerryN said:

Hi Andyfreelandy no Just trying to get some figures together, I only moved it on the drive way after lifting pedal its raining badly here in Northampshire. so I have not been able to attend to the known fault which is drivers wiper not working - The arms on the car but does not move with wipers on but the motor arm is working just waiting on a new set of wipers then I will hopefully repair it Then I will try it again if weather drys up I will change the clutch fluid.

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There was one thing I have a grand vitara 1.6 4wd and when it sees a hill unless you "charge" at you can nearly run out of gears to get up it, I found the Td4 also hated steep hills is this the norm or is there something else for me to address??

A TD4 should have no trouble with normal hills. When working correctly, they have plenty of torque to get them up hills.
You mentioned it's slow to start. This could be related to the lack of power on hills. My guess is the low pressure fuel pump isn't suppling full pressure, which will limit power a lot.

Certainly does! When I fitted a new pump which now gives near 400 kpa, the performance improvement was noticable. Not sure where the pressure figure comes from? Is it the pressure sensor and does this have a regulating function? Such a high figure suggests any reading is pre-regulation.

Nodge68 said:

A TD4 should have no trouble with normal hills. When working correctly, they have plenty of torque to get them up hills.
You mentioned it's slow to start. This could be related to the lack of power on hills. My guess is the low pressure fuel pump isn't suppling full pressure, which will limit power a lot.

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So a new fuel pump then??

GerryN said:

So a new fuel pump then??

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They hard to fit?

2002 is under engine bay so easy. 2003 (was the year it changed) might be in wheel arch which is harder due to rusted fittings. Get a pressure reading first.

andyfreelandy said:

2002 is under engine bay so easy. 2003 (was the year it changed) might be in wheel arch which is harder due to rusted fittings. Get a pressure reading first.

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I assume That would be my garage as I do not possess that type of instrument? I think imay have said the only landrover I have had was a Series 2 a 1967 with 2 and a1/4 petrol engine very simple but effective machine This one was bought because 1 we live in the country 2 we tow a caravan 3 bigger boot space than the Vitara( and I have always liked this model for some reason lol)