freelander vs discovery

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I nearly bought a P38 last year, it was the 4.6 V8. Not sure if that was a particularly poor example but it felt like I was driving on jelly compared to my hippo. Country lanes on the test drive felt lethal. Also driven a few L322 and I think they handle much better than the P38 on country roads through the twists & turns. I've never driven a Disco but I've been driven in a few (Disco & Disco2). They feel quite smooth, but the few people I know who own them are forever dealing with rust. My hippo needed lots of little jobs doing but generally the maintenance was simple & straightforward. The disco's in question above always seem to be an MOT away from scrap. Really put me off buying one until the 3's come down to a reasonable used value.

If what you want works why change it? I regret daily selling my hippo when I should have just swapped out the Jatco. I'm still looking for a replacement a year on.
 
lolol, now i wonder why, lol

i do like my hippo though and spoke to my dad and he said just sit down and work out what u want a vehicle to do, wise old words

daft question is the 5 door hippo boot much bigger than the 3 door plse

like the idea of the p38 and looking forward to having a go of one , may i ask are parts generally alot more expensive on a rangie plse

gary
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Most parts on the P38 are as cheap as chips except the RF receiver:D
Handling is good on air if the shocks are OK. Post 2000 ones are the best. Not much trouble with rust.
 
Freelander 1's all have the same wheel base. Boot space will be the same. Easier to get in the rear passenger seats in a 5 door. 5 door front doors are shorter than 3 door front doors.

Some time ago you were looking to change yer engine as yours had a high mileage. It was still working, but you had concerns. It's still running ok I hope so no need to change. A similar situation to yer current thoughts. If the Freelander does what you need then keep it. If the thoughts you have when using it upset you then perhaps treat them as happy memories.

you nagging me again , you just dont want me to leave the freelander section and becoming a trator, lolol ,

just fancy a change, but wont get rid of my current hippo unless something nice comes up, but dont do things on a whim, like the engine change and was pleased i came on here and asked advice , then thought better of it and gave the car a major service, it does run lovely and certainly would keep it if nothing else came up

i really do appreciate the great help and asvice which gives me room for thought and would only buy another car if i was 100 percent i was happy with it

there is such a massive amount of experianced guys on here always better to get advice from people who have owned these cars and i always feel its better to chat about something than just doing something on a whim and regret it

thks again guys

gary
 
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My P38 is back to standard, there is plenty of Ommph IMO it just has a strange throttle response with all the action in the last 25% of pedal movement.
If you mean an L322, they are proving more unreliable than the P38 and the finish is definately worse. Still DIYable if you can use diagnostics. They suffer with water leaks which kills things:eek:


Yep, L322.. was tired. Anyhow, I just love the interior of the L322! :cool:
 
Yep, L322.. was tired. Anyhow, I just love the interior of the L322! :cool:
Paint rubs of the interior plastic round the seat bases etc, window trims bubble with rust, air suspension complex and hard to fix. Leather is poor quality, displays lose pixels, electronics troublesome, door handles break in true LR tradition, suspension bushes last 5 minutes if you are lucky, gearboxes are rubbish, not to mention VANOS problems on the V8, I could go on.:eek:
 
Difficult decissions to be made.

I owned Disco 1s for 10 years, both petrol and diesel, before changing to the diesel Freelander which we've had for 3 years now. Don't have experience of the D2 or TD5, but from what I gather, they can only be more refined than my D1s.

The decission to move to the Freelander was my wife's, I would have gone D2 TD5. Immediately on moving to the Freelander I was bored with it. The Discos in my book have much more character and have a real presence and feel good factor - the sort of things that are not quantifiable. I think everyone should own 1 at 1 point to experience them :) I supose a RR would be the same, I know my dad's old mud plugging classic had the same sort of things going for it - just a lot more rough around all the edges.

The ride quality of the Disco is great, I was more than happy with the D1 and the D2 should be even better. The Freelander is great to, and on rough roads I think better than the Disco, I was suprised, much better for example on speed bumps - which might be a factor if your local council has gone crazy on them! For long distances the Discos win hands down for both driver and passengers. I'm another that thinks 'wallowing' is overplayed by people on Discos.

I haven't done much serious offroading. I don't go looking for obstacles or trouble, if I'm off road I'm going from A to B where there's no roads! So I'm generally avoiding the trickey stuff., and did have more confidence in the Disco to get me out of trouble should I get myself into any. However, I do a lot of driving on sand (beach fishing) and the Freelander was a revalation - none of that floating loss of traction I got in the Disco that needed a stop to engaging diff-lock - you just drive and the transmission & TC take care of it. Of course with the D2 you get the same electric gizmos, so I would not worry 1 little bit about not having the difflock in the D2, its much beter than the D1 in almost all scenarios.

Perversely what has endeared me to the Freelander has been needing to fix it! I became a fully paid up member of the Freelander owners club when the VCU shafted the IRD - you're not a real member till this happens :) I did most of the work fixing it and actually got to really like the car. So would I still prefer a D2 TD5.... When I fixed the Freelander, I've left it 2WD because the thought of spending all that money for another VCU to trash it all again seemed illogical. So last week when I went fishing down the beach and had to park in the carpark - I was ****ed!!! So yes I'd still prefer a D2, but I'd hopefully keep the Freelander as well cos I know I'm being stupid about this VCU hangup and there's not a lot in it even though they are such different cars.

There's a comment here about the TD5 not being a good engine. I seem to recall reading a thread on here recently stating that the best engine ever fitted to a Defender was the TD5 - so they can't be all that bad. I think they're basically an L Series with an extra cylinder grafted on - so that gets my thumbs up.

As you do so few miles though, would a petrol offer better value for money? Over here they are much cheaper than the TD5 to buy and generally lower milage and higher spec. The D2 V8 is also a lot better on fuel than the old D1. There was a thread recently on a NZ LR forum comparing running costs for Freelander and Discovery, and the concencus of ecconomy was as follows...

Vechicle L/100KM
Freelander Diesel 8
Freelander 1.8 10
Freelander 2.5 12.5
Discovery 300TDI 8.8
Discovery TD5 10.4
Discovery1 V8 20
Discovery2 V8 16.33

Given NZ fuel prices and taxation, this gives yearly running costs as follows....

Freelander Diesel 655
Freelander 1.8 678
Freelander 2.5 812
Discovery 300TDI 704
Discovery TD5 767
Discovery1 V8 1,215
Discovery2 V8 1,018

That's just fuel & (NZ) taxation but shown in UKP. No depereciation or repair bills and based on 3K miles. You can do your own sums on UK fuel costs and tax - I was suprised how much more expensive diesel is once the taxes are added (you buy it without tax at the pump here and separately buy 'road miles'). So given the figures, the V8 would only cost you an additional 250UKP per year and you'd get a better or cheaper car.
 
Paint rubs of the interior plastic round the seat bases etc, window trims bubble with rust, air suspension complex and hard to fix. Leather is poor quality, displays lose pixels, electronics troublesome, door handles break in true LR tradition, suspension bushes last 5 minutes if you are lucky, gearboxes are rubbish, not to mention VANOS problems on the V8, I could go on.:eek:


Bit like XJ8 Jags then. Absolutely disgusting considering the money they cost! Premium motor my arse...
 
Perversely what has endeared me to the Freelander has been needing to fix it! I became a fully paid up member of the Freelander owners club when the VCU shafted the IRD - you're not a real member till this happens :) I did most of the work fixing it and actually got to really like the car. So would I still prefer a D2 TD5.... When I fixed the Freelander, I've left it 2WD because the thought of spending all that money for another VCU to trash it all again seemed illogical. So last week when I went fishing down the beach and had to park in the carpark - I was ****ed!!! So yes I'd still prefer a D2, but I'd hopefully keep the Freelander as well cos I know I'm being stupid about this VCU hangup and there's not a lot in it even though they are such different cars.



Just buy a new VCU and decent bearings you tightwad!! Then look after the tyres and it should be trouble free and 4wd for years. :D
 
it was an lr engine l322 6 cylinder is a version of td4 even share the same engine breather filter,td5 has unit injectors completely different design , 5 cylinders because its far smother than 4 and 6 hasnt the extra benefit of 5 over 4 to warrant the extra downsides
 
I've been looking at trading my TD4 HSE 2004 Auto facelift Hippo in for a newer model. My problem is that it's got 148K miles on the clock which lowers it part-ex price. They dont consider the replaced engine, recon autobox, recon VCU and bearings or fully replaced sunroof!

I want to upgrade to an FL2 so I'm looking for a decent price. Part-ex is £1500-2000 and I've seen the dealers price £5000 for good models so expect somewhere in between as a private sale.

Tuning modules work on TD4's as I've got one running on mine. My HSE has the full winter pack (FBH, heated screen, heated front seats) so I'm very toasty on these cold mornings LOL

After replacing the engine and gearbox, I've been quite reluctant to lose the Hippo which is why I sorted the VCU and sunroof too. But now with the prospect of FL2 on the horizon I know I cant keep both.... but until then I'm happy to run it.
 
Hi everybody.
I am new to this forum, but not new to Landies. I have owned my 110 for 12 years, and my FreeLander for 2.5.
I am on the point of selling my RHD 1998 Freelander 2.0d for 2.5k EUR and getting LHD 1998 Disco 300Tdi for 4k EUR.

I have done / had done bits on the FL : cambelt, front drive shafts, vcu, clutch, exhaust + cat, rear brakes + lines, diesel return pipes, top hose, window mechanims, radio so my investment is not small. [but there are still a few niggles - rear wash wipe, sunroof ]

My motives are:
I live in the Alps, so LHD is better for me.
Disco is bigger, more room for 3 teenagers + 2 dogs.
Disco has been owned by a mechanically competent landy enthusiast, and looks tidy - FL owned by me!
We do a couple of big drives each year to the west coast (1000 KM) done it in Defender and FL. Defender slow and noisy, FL crapmed. Disco would seem to offer the best of both.

Where we live, I often leave before the snow plough comes, so snow driving is important. The 110 I have is awesome in the snow - even 2 foot deep ( it does have a 3" lift kit), but the Freelander has never had any difficulties either ( although I have not driven it in the REALLY deep stuff ) Both have winter tyres btw.

Off road ability is not of much relevance, as if I want to drive up the mountain I use the 110.

In the winter the FL is my commuter car in which I do 90KM per day mainly mountain roads ( although normally only the first 600m is in deep stuff, the rest is normally ploughed down to a 3 inches). From late April -> Mid september I use a motorbike.

A guy is coming to buy the FL on Sunday, so I would like to know if this is a BIG mistake (by me - not him ), so I can put him off if neccessary. Also bear in mind that LHD Disco's are not 10 a penny in France, and are therefore not as cheap as in UK.

I would really appreciate your [ contructive ] thoughts.
Thanks in advance
 
I would see if you can stretch to the Discovery 3. They are coming down in price and you should find parts easier to get. If parts aren't available locally, most UK suppliers will have ship to Europe next day. ;)
I am slightly biased as I now have a D3 as a replacement for my Freelander. The D3 is in a different league to the Freelander or Discovery 2 for that matter.
 
Hi thanks for the quick reply.
I would love a D3, but unfortunately D3 in France are rare as the proverbial rocking horse dung, and therfore not competitively priced. The cheapest is about 14K, which is about 10K over my budget :(
 
I would see if you can stretch to the Discovery 3. They are coming down in price and you should find parts easier to get. If parts aren't available locally, most UK suppliers will have ship to Europe next day. ;)
I am slightly biased as I now have a D3 as a replacement for my Freelander. The D3 is in a different league to the Freelander or Discovery 2 for that matter.

what do u think of ur disco 3 over the hippo please , now you've owned a little while

how's the reliability and running costs , ie mpg and service parts etc

imagine there around 10 grand for a decent one , plus
 
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