i had some new sills out on my disco the other day and the garage that did it advised me to have a roll cage coz its been turned into a pick and theres no strength in the roof any more.they said they could make 1 but they make them out of scaffold tube,they showed me a few they had made on other things and they look decent,but scaffold tube realy?

Scaffold tube is galvanised red band or whatever and exceeds msa minimum requirements which is blue band nominal bore of 38mm to BS 1387 in reality the size is 42mm internal and circa 48.3mm outside dia and has a minimum wall thickness of 3.2mm

If its built to a recognised msa design them it is indeed a real proper cage.

Many of the builders use CDS which although meets minimum spec is not always up to the knocks that an offroader can take time and time again some over spec CDs but then you lose one of the advantages of CDS which is its far lighter and can be bent tighter but only with expensive equipment. Scaffold can be bent with a 200 quid tube bender from machine mart and still be perfectly safe. Big problem is he galv needs to be 100% removed at the welds to ensure a good weld.

only the last 2 sentences of all that actualy means something to me lol.cheers

Get a proper cage, dont #### about with anything remotely iffy. When you put it on its roof and the welds fail crushing your skull you will wonder why you tried to save £££ on a £1200 cage.

Drink less beer, smoke less fags, ride your bike to work for a month, there are easier ways to save money than skimping on something which is SAFETY related.

Malcolm does a good job with his cages, been very happy with mine and admit its not really taken any knocks. But I know its there when I need it and if I put it on its side or on the roof I can still continue my journey 1000's of miles from home. All those mentioned (Whitbread, P&P, North Offroad) would have gotten my money, Malcolm was just closer to us and would spend time welding tabs for a modified ARB roofrack and roof tent. Im pretty sure North do this also. A friend got a cage from P&P and fitted it himself, its a quality piece of kit.

It will make your landy heavier on top (it does not take a genius to work that out) but you change/adapt your driving style to suit. The same as you would if you fitted a rack and threw a spare wheel ontop. Its just common sense and not really a bad thing.

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Malcolm uses blueband ungalv scaffolding I bet he has a CDS version now aswell. His cages are all over the trials challenge scene but ultimately it is ungalv scaffolding.

I agree a pretend or a cheap cage is just added scrap o the roof unless it meets msa regs how can you be sure it's actually going to work??

Lots of "tray backs" "challenge trucks" home builds you see on ebay skimp on the cage and then spend 3k in axles I see no point the basis for anything is a solid chassis/cage

P.s I gotta love the I put it on its side and it was ok lark joined up scaffolding and non conforming designs, not welded to the chassis strong enough etc etc