Ok I understand that. There is no way to put auto locker in my car, only
when it become a rockcrawling machine (never gonna happen). I
I think I'll save some money and buy front ARB air locker.
"Bret Chase" <nunya@business.net> wrote in message
news:hjmb00d87ejdef4r1kca46n061rt35gtqh@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:47:34 +0100, "Zenteren"
> <b.mamuzic@zenteren.com> wrote:
>
> >:|In fact my car is a trail only machine, and works in mud and loose
ground,
> >:|never on the rocks. The only distance I drive on the street is to get
to the
> >:|trail.
> >:|I often drive in the forest and long hills with lot's of sharp corners
where
> >:|you don't won't to loose speed or get out of the track, and the worst
thing
> >:|that could happen is that I don't won't to get out of the car to
disconnect
> >:|front hubs to pass the corner cause automatic locker will engage in
corner.
> >:|I asked more than 20 people via e-mail and I received 20 different
answers.
> >:|Some of them were telling me that they are driving better in muddy
corners
> >:|with front auto locker, and others are telling that they cannot imagine
to
> >:|drive through muddy corners with front auto locker.
> >:|I have friend who has a rear auto locker in Suzuki and while passing
corners
> >:|on road diff sounds like "click-click....click" because he disconnects
if
> >:|there is any speed limits in wheel travel, but when one wheel loose
traction
> >:|the torque is transmitted through the locker 50% on each wheel.
> >:|I don't see any difference why front locker shouldn't act like the rear
one.
> >:|
> >:|
>
> it *does* act like the rear one, but the rear isn't responsible for
> steering the vehicle.
>
> I'll put it to you this way... at work I operate a Caterpillar TH63
> telehandler. it has a front locker in it and 47" tall tires. when I
> am in a couple of feet of mud and engage the front locker, (it takes a
> couple of feet for this 22,000lbs 4wd machine to lose traction) I
> have very little steering input left as the front tires push sideways
> to the outside of the turn. the same will happen to your vehicle. if
> you're in a muddy corner the locker will be locked. it will unlock
> ONLY if you're not on the gas. find someone with a detroit or other
> auto locker (not a stock locking diff... they're not the same) in the
> rear and drive their vehicle for a bit... watch what happens when you
> hit the gas in the corner. then imagine if this was in your front
> axle.
>
> -Bret
>
> >:|"Bret Chase" <nunya@business.net> wrote in message
> >:|news:k7t800hago0di1v7ess91b0j6724vcpoom@4ax.com...
> >:|> On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:48:53 +0100, "Zenteren"
> >:|> <b.mamuzic@zenteren.com> wrote:
> >:|>
> >:|> >:|OK. If I understand it clearly, the automatic locker in the front
will
> >:|not
> >:|> >:|disconnect while making turn like the rear one do???
> >:|> >:|
> >:|> >:|
> >:|>
> >:|>
> >:|> an auto locker works by letting one wheel overrun the other. by
doing
> >:|> this, the slower moving tire is the one that is recieving the
engine's
> >:|> power, causing some very significant understeer.
> >:|>
> >:|> with an open differential, the torque is split 50/50 until a wheel
> >:|> looses traction, then the spinning wheel recieves 100% of the torque.
> >:|> this leaves the other wheel to track along and maintain lateral
> >:|> stability.
> >:|>
> >:|> *I* would only consider putting in a front auto locker in a vehicle
> >:|> that was trail only....they make for some sometimes unpredictable
> >:|> handling.
> >:|>
> >:|> -Bret
> >:|> >:|"Bret Chase" <nunya@business.net> wrote in message
> >:|> >:|news:gc760055drgje52p0m2lt8i7alnd2j0bfn@4ax.com...
> >:|> >:|> On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:26:39 -0800, "willie"
<wjvanden@bellsouth.net>
> >:|> >:|> wrote:
> >:|> >:|>
> >:|> >:|> >:|Is the locker in the rear a cable operated locker?
> >:|> >:|> >:|To answer the other questions....when operating lockers on
> >:|pavement,
> >:|> >:|the
> >:|> >:|> >:|vehicle will "grab" during turning....while in mud and snow,
ALL
> >:|four
> >:|> >:|wheels
> >:|> >:|> >:|will be driving the vehicle....making it VERY stable and very
good
> >:|to
> >:|> >:|drive
> >:|> >:|> >:|Cheers Willie
> >:|> >:|>
> >:|> >:|> if you call weaving caused by a rear locker locking and
unlocking
> >:|with
> >:|> >:|> power application on sweeping turns, the rear completely
breaking
> >:|> >:|> loose and turning the vehicle sideways (instead of just a wheel
> >:|> >:|> spinning) and the front end plowing due to a front locker
stable...
> >:|> >:|> than you've got a much different definition of stability than I.
> >:|> >:|>
> >:|> >:|>
> >:|> >:|> Zenteren,
> >:|> >:|>
> >:|> >:|> any auto locker in the front will cause the front to plow in
turns as
> >:|> >:|> a locker powers the slower moving inside wheel over the outer,
faster
> >:|> >:|> rotating wheel with an open diff. I think you'll be sorely
> >:|> >:|> disappointed in the driveability problems caused by a front
auto
> >:|> >:|> locker.
> >:|> >:|>
> >:|> >:|> as I always tell my wife, it's a hell of alot more important to
be
> >:|> >:|> able to steer, than it is to go.
> >:|> >:|>
> >:|> >:|> -Bret
> >:|> >:|>
> >:|> >:|>
> >:|> >:|> >:|"Zenteren" <b.mamuzic@zenteren.com> wrote in message
> >:|> >:|> >:|news:bttr98$6bd$1@ls219.htnet.hr...
> >:|> >:|> >:|> I'm owner of a Suzuki samurai. It has a rear 100%
manual
> >:|> >:|operating
> >:|> >:|> >:|> locker. I'm wondering if I put Detroit Right Lock front
locker,
> >:|how
> >:|> >:|will
> >:|> >:|> >:|> this affect on cornering on pavement roads, and slippery
> >:|surfaces
> >:|> >:|like mud
> >:|> >:|> >:|> and ice when all four wheels are in drive, and will this be
a
> >:|problem
> >:|> >:|if
> >:|> >:|> >:|it
> >:|> >:|> >:|> is in rear wheel drive and with locked hubs in front. I'm
using
> >:|this
> >:|> >:|car
> >:|> >:|> >:|as
> >:|> >:|> >:|> a daily driver.
> >:|> >:|> >:|>
> >:|> >:|> >:|>
> >:|> >:|> >:|
> >:|> >:|>
> >:|> >:|
> >:|>
> >:|
>
