Mseries3
Well-Known Member
So you are telling me you can go down the road in a landy at 30Mph and pull the handbrake on?
****ing hell, Where the **** do we find these people?
So you are telling me you can go down the road in a landy at 30Mph and pull the handbrake on?
****ing hell, Where the **** do we find these people?
So you are telling me you can go down the road in a landy at 30Mph and pull the handbrake on?
****ing hell, Where the **** do we find these people?
Its 20mph, see section 3.7 B of the MoT tester's manual:
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Mseries3
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You would still end up causing damage, more than likely a half shaft. It is not safe, and if i remember correctly (90/110 Manual i think i saw it?) Land Rover expressly say "Do not use the tranmission brake whilst in motion"
If you are so sure it is fine, can you do it whilst someone is recording you and upload it here? Cheers
If you are so sure it is fine, can you do it whilst someone is recording you and upload it here? Cheers
I'm sure its fine but in case you're sitting at the computer waiting for an updated post on this thread with a video, I won't be going to the effort of setting up a video camera, recording me as I drive past and apply the handbrake, then upload it here.
Might I ask - if its not safe, and neither is a rolling road, how would YOU test the parking brake on an MoT?
Might I ask - if its not safe, and neither is a rolling road, how would YOU test the parking brake on an MoT?
So you are telling me you can go down the road in a landy at 30Mph and pull the handbrake on?
****ing hell, Where the **** do we find these people?
And just where did i say you go down the road a 30mph and put the hand brake on. How many MOT tests have you done? I think the ability to read and understand English should be a prerequisite on this board.
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the hooded claw
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To true Keith they read a book and think they know it all. I was doing MOTs when they were acrobating about in their fathers bollocks. Wonder what they would do if they got a E type or MkII Jag to test. Because i have never known one that could pass the handbrake test. I personally never did the Tapley test on a Land Rover because of problems it could cause just parked on a good incline and if it held it passed. The hand brake had to grip within three clicks of the ratchet and not travel more than five. Same with the Jags. They could not pass the retardation test straight from the factory. Some may not realise that the MOT testers hand book did not exist in the early days all you got was a lecture from a MOT guy and answered a few obvious questions and away you went. But of course in those days you had served your time and knew what you were doing these days half the mechanics couldn't change the axle grease on a Silver Cross pram so need specific written instructions.
PS. And even then still get it wrong.
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classic kev
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Have enjoyed this thread. The local garage that tests my Rangie are good guys. First question they ask is it permanent 4 wheel drive - Yes. O.K. they then get the Tapley meter out and test the brakes in their car park. To test the hand brake they park it on the slope into their workshop pull up the lever and if it stays still on 3 clicks it passes. Then they do the rest of the test. Proper job, they even invite you to look at anything they think is not up to scratch and explain why it is an advisory or a failure. Can't say fairer than that.
I agree it is rather amusing or should that be astounding that MOT testers don't seem to know how to test a Landie. How long have they been around now? (Land Rovers that is)
I agree it is rather amusing or should that be astounding that MOT testers don't seem to know how to test a Landie. How long have they been around now? (Land Rovers that is)
Sadly Kev being a mechanic these days is not as it was years ago. As is demonstrated by some of the threads on here quite a lot don't know their arse from their elbow. Just gloryified computer drivers these days, most of the skill has been extracted from the trade.
i got mine to pass me rrc auot on four clicks cos the mot book dont specifically say 3 clicks, he werent happy but it got through.
Standard i always use when adjusting a hand brake is on in three clicks. For MOT on in three clicks, but no more than five. It's a pass. Anymore than five means it needs adjusting. Just over five with acceptable hold would be an advisory. From me anyway others may differ.
classic kev
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Sorry to say I agree. Very few mechanics around, they only seem to know how to replace things rather than repair. I suppose that it is an affliction caused by modern cars where you plug it in and the computer tells you which non-serviceable item needs to be replaced at ridiculous cost (both parts and labour). Hey ho joys of motoring and all that.
Mseries3
Well-Known Member
I am sorry that i pressumed that is what you meant. You might think it sounds stupid but i have heard of it done
Yet in the same breath you say you have never tested a Land Rover with a Decelerometer..
I agree that the way you test them is very sensible and I think it is how they should be tested. Even if the "All knowing" MOT Manual does not agree.
it held on 5 clicks but he failed it on no reserve travel:doh:
Depends on vehicle, some have more travel available than others. Certainly the old Mini would be dodgy on five as there were only seven clicks on ratchet. General rule of thumb would be as i said on in three but no more than five. What you have to remember it that MOT test is vehicle condition AT time of test, it does not have to last twelve months after test. You get vehicles with only three clicks were the hand brake hardly works at all because the correct methond of adjustment has not been followed.
I am sorry that i pressumed that is what you meant. You might think it sounds stupid but i have heard of it done
Yet in the same breath you say you have never tested a Land Rover with a Decelerometer..
I agree that the way you test them is very sensible and I think it is how they should be tested. Even if the "All knowing" MOT Manual does not agree.
No the 30mph was a footbrake test on a 42 seater coach. I believe the recommended speed at that time was brake from 30 mph. It may well have changed since. I also remember testing fuel tankers with the Tapley were they had to be half loaded with water for brake test. It was a little disconcerting when the surge in the unbaffled tank made the vehicle jump forwards a couple of yards after you had stopped. Interesting days. As for Land Rovers someone maybe you said you cannot test transmission brakes with a Tapley i just said you can. Whether it is wise to do it is open to debate. Personally i would tend not to.
dogsbody
Very senior member
Loved this thread. Brought back many happy memories of the days before rolling roads. My favourite was the MOT examiner reversing my Hillman Minx across the car park heading off to do the brake test, stopping (eventually) climbing out, handing me the complete handbrake assembly with a few inches of cable still attached and just saying, "fail." and walking off towards the office.
I think that the main upshot of this thread is, find an MOT examiner who is, at least, older than your Rangie.
I think that the main upshot of this thread is, find an MOT examiner who is, at least, older than your Rangie.
Think i remember a VOSA advert for testers to work in their testing stations. It said "No mechanical experience needed ". And something like "We offer full comprehensive training" The world has gone mad.
