"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@engin.umich> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Dick Clark wrote:
>
> > > >>does beta v. VHS ring a bell?
> > >
> > > Yeah, the one that sucked won, due to "smart" people.
> >
> > no argument there. broadcasting use(d?) beta forever
>
> Broadcasting uses BetaCAM. The consumer system that died was BetaMAX. The
> cassettes are the same size and shape, but that is the only similarity;
> they are NOT the same.
>
> DS
>

well imagine that! after hosting American Bandstand for 123 years, I still manage to learn
new things!


 
Daniel J Stern wrote:
>
> ...Didn't you know Moses drove British cars? He descended the mountain in his
> triumph...?
>
> DS

Man - that Moses got around. I heard that Popeye was going to beat him
up because he'd heard that Moses had come to mount Olive.

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Lloyd Parker wrote:
>
> ...Triumph is also a noun...

And as has been stated, a verb - as in "Bush Triumphed over Gore in
2000". (Sorry, Lloyd - I'm just funnin' ya - couldn't resist). 8^)

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"Daniel J. Stern" wrote:
>
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Dave Milne wrote:
>
> > I didn't think anyone pronounced SAAB as sob.
>
> Most North Americans, including Saab marketers, pronounce it the same way
> we pronounce "sob". Remember, however, that many North American accents
> pronounce the short "o" very differently, such that the (primary) vowel
> sounds in "forest", "orange", "sob", "sod" and "opera" are the same as the
> (primary) vowel sounds in "Martin", "bra", and "darn". Therefore, "Saab
> story" sounds exactly like "sob story".
>
> There are North American accents in which the short "o" pronunciation is
> closer to many British accents ("orange", "forest" and "opera" have the
> same primary vowel sounds as "paw", "thaw" and "law"). These occur
> primarily in the Northwestern US, with pockets elsewhere. However, if you
> wanted the vowel sound in "sob" to be similar to the one in "paw", you'd
> have to head for the Canadian Maritime provinces, e.g. Newfoundland.
>
> "Mazda" with the first vowel sounding the same as the one in "rat" is
> common in England, but unique in North America to Canada; in the US the
> first vowel in "Mazda" sounds like the one in "bra".
>
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>
> Scotland?! Blimey. All bets are off. 8^{)}
>
> DS

Reminds me - am I the only one whose nerves are grated by Jaguar's radio
commercials with the British announcer? I guess the Brits normally
pronounce it "jagyouaw" as opposed to the American "jagwar". The former
sounds so pretentious (but the American pronunciation is probably
bastardized).

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Lloyd Parker wrote:
>
> In article <vg1bire1kdoh66@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >How many car brands can you think of that are also a verb?
> >
> Rolls? SAAB (pronounced "sob")? Ford. Dodge.

And who can forget that old song "Subaru down Broadway"!? 8^)

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"Bill Putney" <peva@kinez.net> wrote in message news:3F02250F.7C4ADFB1@kinez.net...
> "Daniel J. Stern" wrote:


>
> Reminds me - am I the only one whose nerves are grated by Jaguar's radio
> commercials with the British announcer? I guess the Brits normally
> pronounce it "jagyouaw" as opposed to the American "jagwar". The former
> sounds so pretentious (but the American pronunciation is probably
> bastardized).
>


oh, like "rodeo" which is how all of us normal people pronounce it unless you live in
Hollyweird or Beverly Thrills then it's Roe Day' Oh


 
Yes, Betacam SP (metal) is still the broadcast standard, although moves
have been made to DigiBeta and HDTV. However, the older oxide Betacam
still has a place in the tiny markets along with 3/4". Betamax was
always a consumer format and quite different from Betacam.

Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Dick Clark wrote:
>>>>>does beta v. VHS ring a bell?
>>>>
>>> Yeah, the one that sucked won, due to "smart" people.
>>no argument there. broadcasting use(d?) beta forever
>
> Broadcasting uses BetaCAM. The consumer system that died was BetaMAX. The
> cassettes are the same size and shape, but that is the only similarity;
> they are NOT the same.
>
> DS



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You can _say_ it, just don't show pics of it.

Jeff Strickland wrote:
> This is a family group, I don't think we should say truncate here, should
> we?

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On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 20:49:58 GMT, Lon Stowell
<lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote:

>Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>> "Maxwell Smart" <Agent86@control.com> wrote in message
>> news:4N2Ma.174430$eJ2.10772@fed1read07...
>>
>>>
>>>As for the Mac v. PC; is it your contention that opinions are not allowed?
>> FYI if you work
>>>in a field that deals with both formats and the problems therein, it makes
>> one hell of a
>>>difference. I'll make it easier. Cruise the software section and see what
>> it's like. Hint:
>>>does beta v. VHS ring a bell?
>
> Yeah, the one that sucked won, due to "smart" people.

No, due to poor marketing by greedy bastards who ran the companies.

Beta was marketed by Sony, and only by Sony, so that they could make
more money.

Only people are smart enough to know that they can save money by
buying products that are sold by competing companies, so they said FY
to Sony.

Same thing happened to circuit (we suck) city when they tried to do
the same thing to DVD. Nice multi-million dollar loss for the
assholes.

Mac would be gone by now if it weren't for morons buying that
overpriced piece of ****, and for Microsoft coming to their aid. We
need to let it DIE. It sucks. Nobody intelligent is going to pay 3
times as much for a system that does the same thing as a PC.

And please, don't whine about how a mac is better. It isn't. It is a
piece of hardware, and the software is what makes it work. Software
can be written to do the same thing on any platform. So please spare
us...
 
I think someone (Earle ?) convinced me that the American pronounciation was
more correct actualy. English people tend not to pronounce their 'R's at the
end of a sentence. I remember being baffled as a kid where I read an English
book that thought that "door" and "saw" rhymed !?!

I pronounce it jag-u-war which may similarly annoy :)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Bill Putney" <peva@kinez.net> wrote in message
news:3F02250F.7C4ADFB1@kinez.net...
: "Daniel J. Stern" wrote:
: Reminds me - am I the only one whose nerves are grated by Jaguar's radio
: commercials with the British announcer? I guess the Brits normally
: pronounce it "jagyouaw" as opposed to the American "jagwar". The former
: sounds so pretentious (but the American pronunciation is probably
: bastardized).


 
On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:50:11 UTC "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
> "Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@engin.umich> wrote in message
> news:pine.SOL.4.44.0307011404130.5120-100000@alumni.engin.umich.edu...
> > On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Geoff wrote:
> >
> > > > Nice, but how does this justify all the crap attached to yer msg?
> > >
> > > It looks like OE performed this 'favor' for me when I cut-n-pasted the
> > > definition of intransitive from the website.
> >
> > Outbreak Express? For news, let alone for mail?
> >
> > Shame, Geoff. I expected better/smarter from you.
> >
>
>
> At the risk of being a total moron, what's better than Lookout Express for
> news and mail? And, is it free?

Damn, even Mozilla fits that description - and I don't like it a whole
lot better.

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"DTJ" <dtj@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> And please, don't whine about how a mac is better. It isn't. It is a
> piece of hardware, and the software is what makes it work. Software
> can be written to do the same thing on any platform. So please spare
> us...

Believe me, a Mac running OS X is far better UNIX workstation than
a Sparc 5 running Solaris. As to the consumer desktop apps, well you
want to run toy programs, of course a toy OS and a toy PC are going to
run those better. Do you do your grocery shopping and kid carpooling
in a Ferrari?

Ted


 


Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
> "DTJ" <dtj@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:0gi4gv038pq5v7e7igh8sb9lluittdo8fq@4ax.com...
> >
> > And please, don't whine about how a mac is better. It isn't. It is a
> > piece of hardware, and the software is what makes it work. Software
> > can be written to do the same thing on any platform. So please spare
> > us...
>
> Believe me, a Mac running OS X is far better UNIX workstation than
> a Sparc 5 running Solaris. As to the consumer desktop apps, well you
> want to run toy programs, of course a toy OS and a toy PC are going to
> run those better. Do you do your grocery shopping and kid carpooling
> in a Ferrari?
>
> Ted

I sure would, if I had a kid or a Ferrari.

nate
 
Looked at the Bat site. Of the features I need, it seems Outlook Express
can do much the same. The biggest issue seems to me to be security, and
isn't that taken care of by regular Norton AV updates?

As regards manipulation of e-mail on a remote server, my ISP gives me web
access to my POP3 account so can get to it from anywhere. As soon as I can
log into my e-mail account directly I can download any work I have done; I
send myself copies of any outgoing mail so that it arrives in my
downloadable Inbox. In other words, this is entirely
e-mail-client-independent. Does Bat! offer something superior?

DAS
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> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 15:50:11 -0700, Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> > At the risk of being a total moron, what's better than Lookout Express
for
> > news and mail? And, is it free?
>
> Assuming we're talking about Windows . . .
>
> 'The Bat!' is the best email program. It's cheap.
> http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/
>
> 'Forte Agent' has a free version, and the commercial version is cheap too.
> http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php
>


 
Doesn't that make it an adjective, too, as in Jeepers Creepers?

Am not sure if there should be an apostrophe before or after the s in
Jeepers.

DAS
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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Jeeping is a verb. Jeeper is a noun.
.....................................>
> all whild Jeeping in my Jeep with other Jeepers. Jeepers, it was fun!
......................................>
>


 
Horch = listen! as in horchen.

And I don't need to resort to Latin for this.

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"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
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> Saab = Sob if you have a Boston accent perhaps ?
>
> Volvo - tha'ts the latin for "I roll over"
> Fiat - that's the latin for "let it happen"
> Audi - that the latin for "listen up !"
>
> :)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "C.R. Krieger" <warp2_shadow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a8a578a8.0307011323.1e7f8621@posting.google.com...
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:<HDjMa.129$pO2.1070346@news-text.cableinet.net>...
> :
> : > I didn't think anyone pronounced SAAB as sob.
> :
> : You'd probably have a hard time distinguishing the broad American 'aa'
> : from the 'o' in 'sob'. Of course, if you pronounce it the way I do,
> : with an added 'l', it becomes a noun and possibly more accurate:
> : 'SLOB'.
> :
> : > I don't think truncating Rolls Royce counts :)
> :
> : Sure it does! But it's better if it's overturned rather than hit from
> : the front and/or rear, as truncation would suggest. ;^)
> :
> : If we're including foreign marques, 'Horch', 'Audi', and 'Volvo' are
> : all verbs of one sort or another, but they were *intended* to be.
> :
> : Hey, how about 'Knight'?
> : --
> : C.R. Krieger
> : "Ignore 'em, m'dear; they're beneath our dignity." - W.C. Fields
>
>


 
Only a North American would think that my fellow southern Englishmen and I
pronounce the "o" in the words listed below the same way as the "aw" in the
words listed. Maybe they sound the same when viewed from/heard in Atlanta
(where I was once mistaken for a Yank from NY!) but they are certainly
different in my part of the world.

BTW, we don't have "British" accents in Britain! We certainly have many
varieties of accent, but not anything known as "British", not even
collectively...

There are English accents, Welsh and Scottish accents and even Irish accents
in the UK, never mind Estuary (a new term), Scouse...

Even though I am serious, do I need a smilie face?

DAS
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"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@engin.umich> wrote in message
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..........................................>
> There are North American accents in which the short "o" pronunciation is
> closer to many British accents ("orange", "forest" and "opera" have the
> same primary vowel sounds as "paw", "thaw" and "law").
>
..........................................


 
On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 03:03:28 GMT, DTJ <dtj@comcast.net> wrote:

<snip rant>
>Mac would be gone by now if it weren't for morons buying that
>overpriced piece of ****, and for Microsoft coming to their aid. We
>need to let it DIE. It sucks.

I don't know that I agree with your entire rant, but Apple certainly
cooked their own butts for the reasons you state. They kept it
proprietary forever, then when they announced that they would open
up manufacturing to anyone, they still kept it so tightly
regulated that it was effectively proprietary.

>Nobody intelligent is going to pay 3
>times as much for a system that does the same thing as a PC.

You do have to wonder what draws them. Then again, Scientology
is living and well too, and run by a guy who once stated that
the one of the two ways to get rich was to "start a religion".
There's no explaining cults. Some people just like to be different
for differences sake, then tell you how wonderful it is.

>And please, don't whine about how a mac is better. It isn't. It is a
>piece of hardware, and the software is what makes it work. Software
>can be written to do the same thing on any platform. So please spare
>us...

Point taken. I always heard "Mac's never crash". Then I had to
work on a Mac at a publisher one day. Crashed it 3 times. The
Mac people said "must be a hardware issue"... like that excused
the fact that Mac's *do* crash, even though Mac people claim they
don't.

The only reason I'd cheer for Mac's is if they could present some
competition for Billy Gates. Microsoft as a company is a cult gone
wild. Have you been to an MS internal meeting or seen a video
tape of the Pres? These people are worse than Scientology, they
consider themselves the second coming. They can do no wrong, how
dare you suggest that they conform to US Laws !

Bob
 
On 2 Jul 2003 07:37:54 GMT, "Will Honea" <whonea@codenet.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:50:11 UTC "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> "Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@engin.umich> wrote in message
>> news:pine.SOL.4.44.0307011404130.5120-100000@alumni.engin.umich.edu...
>> > On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Geoff wrote:
>> >
>> > > > Nice, but how does this justify all the crap attached to yer msg?
>> > >
>> > > It looks like OE performed this 'favor' for me when I cut-n-pasted the
>> > > definition of intransitive from the website.
>> >
>> > Outbreak Express? For news, let alone for mail?
>> >
>> > Shame, Geoff. I expected better/smarter from you.
>> >
>>
>>
>> At the risk of being a total moron, what's better than Lookout Express for
>> news and mail? And, is it free?
>
>Damn, even Mozilla fits that description - and I don't like it a whole
>lot better.

For news, you can get Forte Free Agent. Much better than OE. It will
do your mail if you like too. You can upgrade to Forte Agent
(has a few "nice to have" features) for $29 if you like. They'll
give you free updates/release for many years.

http://www.forteinc.com

Bob
 
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