"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:bf6knh$7u2$5@puck.cc.emory.edu...
: In article <NZmRa.9154$6a5.289614@twister.socal.rr.com>,
: "David Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@san.rr.com> wrote:
: >
: >"Laura's Rancid Bush" <Laura@whitehouse.com> wrote in message
: >news:RqgRa.8475$Bp2.6484@fed1read07...
: >>
: >> "Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
: >news:bf40c2$bgt$5@puck.cc.emory.edu...
: >> : >I didn't see the comment, however what you stated it said is
correct.
: >> : >Recently a professor wrote a book claiming that sexual abuse of
: >> : >children does no harm.
: >> : Prove it, fool.
: >>
: >> I never knew this NG was so bigoted and ignorant. If this said
ignorance
: >is very
: >> widespread, readers would be wise to consider the value of automotive
: >opinions rendered
: >> here. This NG does seem to be a good recruiting place for the
christian
: >reich
: >>
: >>
: >
: >Bigoted? Ignorant? Christrian Reich?
:
: If the shoe fits.
:
:
: >I think the name calling is the
: >sign of ignorance. Name calling is pretty much about elevating yourself
by
: >putting down those around you.
: >
: >
: Except when it's accurate.

yeah reality scares those who can't face it

"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:bf6kqt$7u2$6@puck.cc.emory.edu...
: In article <3F1602A0.3D91EA9C@kinez.net>, Bill Putney <peva@kinez.net>
wrote:
: >Laura's Rancid Bush wrote:
: >>
: >> I never knew this NG was so bigoted and ignorant. If this said
ignorance
: is very
: >> widespread, readers would be wise to consider the value of automotive
: opinions rendered
: >> here. This NG does seem to be a good recruiting place for the
christian
: reich
: >
: >And of course, everyone knows that if you hate Christians, that's not
: >bigoted. I'll have to remember that one.
:
: She didn't say she hates Christians, but that some Christians sure show a
lot
: of hatred.
:
: >
: >You know - if the ratio of God-haters to God-lovers were 99 to 1, I'd be
: >honored to be included in the 1 per cent, and I'd galdly die for the
: >privilege.
:
: You can't be a Christian and hate others. You can't be a Christian and
be a
: bigot.


Pat Robberson, Jerry Fartwell, Jimmy Swaggert and a whole host of others
prove that's not true

"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:bf6l1q$7u2$7@puck.cc.emory.edu...
: In article <78achvs3op46bk0cddsmg2uq028vok970j@4ax.com>,
: DTJ <dtj@comcast.net> wrote:
: >On 16 Jul 2003 17:00:35 GMT, lparker@emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote:
: >
: >>>That is not true for most of us Marc. I am strongly anti-gay.
: >>
: >>Does that mean you just don't want to have gay sex, or you're into
: >>discrimination and physical assault on gays?
: >
: >I will not have gay sex. I will not hurt anyone except in self
: >defense. Being anti-gay does not mean pro-discrimination.
: >
: >>> I believe God does not approve of homosexuality.
: >>
: >>I think God would be highly offended that you presume to know His mind.
: >
: >I believe God would appreciate my reading the bible. Something you
: >obviously don't do, nor have any direct knowledge of.
:
: But the Bible can be interpreted in many ways. Do you think people who
grow 2
: crops in the same field are going to hell? That you should stone
adulters?
: That the earth was created in 6 days?

Oh come on. The bible isn't even good fiction. It also alludes to a flat
earth. Unless you live in Kansas, that's not true. Nevertheless, Tommy
Delay and a distressing number of the House and Senate (all Pubicans, I
might add) happen to buy into a 6,000 year old flat earth. No wonder this
country is spinning backwards into the Fifteenth Century.

Hillary Clinton wrote:

> "Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
> news:bf6kmr$7u2$4@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> : In article <xSmRa.9152$6a5.288739@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> : "David Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@san.rr.com> wrote:
> : >
> : >"> :
> : >> : Now, what is normal? Who knows. It doesn't matter. If you are
> gay,
> : >> : so be it. That does not affect me anymore than my orientation
> affects
> : >> : you. The only thing that would affect me would you trying to teach
> my
> : >> : children, or others, that being gay is acceptable and normal. I
> would
> : >> : also be offended if public schools were teaching that being gay is
> : >> : unacceptable and abnormal. They should simply teach sex education
> at
> : >> : appropriate ages, not 5 years old, and teach the facts. Issues like
> : >> : what we are discussing here, although I believe them to be factual,
> : >> : should not be taught until college level. Classes that encourage
> kids
> : >> : to be compassionate to all people no matter what their differences
> are
> : >> : a good idea.
> : >>
> : >> As long as the christian reich is allowed to meddle in sex education
> : >courses, there will
> : >> never be an objective lesson taught. Where do you get this "teach my
> : >children" re: being
> : >> gay. That's more reich wing propaganda

>
> Actually the chances are greater that everone is born bisexual and operant
> conditioning takes over from there. Looking at the crass displays of
> heterosexual sex that are plastered everywhere, it would seem the straight
> people have a problem with their sexual identity.

I wouldn't go THAT far, but I can honestly say I have never met
a truly straight homophobe. In order to really care enough about
the issue enough to be a radical homophobe, there has to be
some serious concentration on an issue that more normal folks
don't give a rat about.

"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:bf6l6g$7u2$10@puck.cc.emory.edu...
: In article <8EqRa.12097$nq3.300950@twister.socal.rr.com>,
: "David Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@san.rr.com> wrote:
: >
: >"Hillary Clinton" <Suckonthis@yougirlyboys.com> wrote in message
: >news:0koRa.8602$Bp2.2415@fed1read07...
: >>
: >> "David Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@san.rr.com> wrote in message
: >> news:xSmRa.9152$6a5.288739@twister.socal.rr.com...
:
:
: What's "crap" is ONLY teaching abstinence, so teens who engage in sex
anyway
: have no idea of how to protect themselves.

Abstinence is a religious concept, not a scientific one. Bye bye wall of
separation.....


: >
: >Be careful using that priest analogy. The guilty priests are typically
: >homosexuals who joined the priesthood to escape their homosexuality.
Brings
: >us back to that topic

There's no escape hiding behind the boogeyman of religion. If religion
didn't ostracize gays, there'd be no reason to "hide."

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, David Allen wrote:

> You don't have to believe in the homosexual agenda to be tolerant and
> compassionate.

And what, for you, constitutes "belief in the homosexual agenda"? Equal
civil rights is a problem for you, or...?

> yet liberals wrap themselves in "tolerance and compassion" to defend the
> redefinition of marriage and family.

Suppose for a moment you're a married heterosexual with a couple kids.
Now, please describe in concrete, specific detail how letting homosexuals
get married would affect _your_ marriage and/or _your_ family.

DS

"Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:MDidnUGhMfq3cYuiXTWJjg@comcast.com...
: Hillary Clinton wrote:
:
: > "Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
: > news:bf6kmr$7u2$4@puck.cc.emory.edu...
: > : In article <xSmRa.9152$6a5.288739@twister.socal.rr.com>,
: > : "David Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@san.rr.com> wrote:
: > : >
: > : >"> :
: > : >> : Now, what is normal? Who knows. It doesn't matter. If you are
: > gay,
: > : >> : so be it. That does not affect me anymore than my orientation
: > affects
: > : >> : you. The only thing that would affect me would you trying to
teach
: > my
: > : >> : children, or others, that being gay is acceptable and normal. I
: > would
: > : >> : also be offended if public schools were teaching that being gay
is
: > : >> : unacceptable and abnormal. They should simply teach sex
education
: > at
: > : >> : appropriate ages, not 5 years old, and teach the facts. Issues
like
: > : >> : what we are discussing here, although I believe them to be
factual,
: > : >> : should not be taught until college level. Classes that
encourage
: > kids
: > : >> : to be compassionate to all people no matter what their
differences
: > are
: > : >> : a good idea.
: > : >>
: > : >> As long as the christian reich is allowed to meddle in sex
education
: > : >courses, there will
: > : >> never be an objective lesson taught. Where do you get this "teach
my
: > : >children" re: being
: > : >> gay. That's more reich wing propaganda
:
: >
: > Actually the chances are greater that everone is born bisexual and
operant
: > conditioning takes over from there. Looking at the crass displays of
: > heterosexual sex that are plastered everywhere, it would seem the
straight
: > people have a problem with their sexual identity.
:
: I wouldn't go THAT far, but I can honestly say I have never met
: a truly straight homophobe. In order to really care enough about
: the issue enough to be a radical homophobe, there has to be
: some serious concentration on an issue that more normal folks
: don't give a rat about.
:

Bisexuality, like homosexuality, is a naturally occurring (in all species)
condition. It just make one wonder.

Daniel J. Stern wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, David Allen wrote:
>
>> You don't have to believe in the homosexual agenda to be tolerant and
>> compassionate.
>
> And what, for you, constitutes "belief in the homosexual agenda"? Equal
> civil rights is a problem for you, or...?
>
>> yet liberals wrap themselves in "tolerance and compassion" to defend the
>> redefinition of marriage and family.
>
> Suppose for a moment you're a married heterosexual with a couple kids.
> Now, please describe in concrete, specific detail how letting homosexuals
> get married would affect _your_ marriage and/or _your_ family.
>
> DS
>
They are engaged in a plot to steal our precious bodily fluids
and the purity of our essence and must be stopped with Plan R.

Hillary Clinton wrote:

>
> Bisexuality, like homosexuality, is a naturally occurring (in all species)
> condition. It just make one wonder.

The point was that a goodly number of people simply DO NOT CARE
about the sexuality of members of their own sex, and I tend to
be very suspicious of the motivations or real orientation of
anyone so interested in the sexuality of another dude that they
give a rat's patoot. Other than the issue of pink jeeps of course.

"Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:G76dncRyfq5OcouiU-KYuQ@comcast.com...
: Hillary Clinton wrote:
:
: >
: > Bisexuality, like homosexuality, is a naturally occurring (in all
species)
: > condition. It just make one wonder.
:
: The point was that a goodly number of people simply DO NOT CARE
: about the sexuality of members of their own sex, and I tend to
: be very suspicious of the motivations or real orientation of
: anyone so interested in the sexuality of another dude that they
: give a rat's patoot. Other than the issue of pink jeeps of course.
:

careful what you say!

http://www.pinkjeep.com/

It seems that those people who are obsessed with the sexuality of others
usually have very little of their own

In us.talk.headline-news toto <scarecrow@wicked.witch> wrote:


> As a heterosexual female, I have always been rather confused by the
> argument that you *choose* your attractions. My hormones kicked in
> and I was attracted to men.

THAT'S what has always confused ME. How could anybody be attracted to men
sexually when women are so much sexier?

I mean, I've got nothing against gay men, but I think I understand
lesbians a whole lot better...

--
Words are flowing out like endless rain into a paper cup,
They slither while they pass, they slip away across the universe...
-Lennon/McCartney

"Hillary Clinton" <noreason@nolife.com> wrote in message
news0CRa.9004$Bp2.7135@fed1read07...
>
> "Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
> news:bf6l6g$7u2$10@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> : In article <8EqRa.12097$nq3.300950@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> : "David Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@san.rr.com> wrote:
> : >
> : >"Hillary Clinton" <Suckonthis@yougirlyboys.com> wrote in message
> : >news:0koRa.8602$Bp2.2415@fed1read07...
> : >>
> : >> "David Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> : >> news:xSmRa.9152$6a5.288739@twister.socal.rr.com...
> :
> :
> : What's "crap" is ONLY teaching abstinence, so teens who engage in sex
> anyway
> : have no idea of how to protect themselves.
>
> Abstinence is a religious concept, not a scientific one. Bye bye wall of
> separation.....
>
>
> : >
> : >Be careful using that priest analogy. The guilty priests are typically
> : >homosexuals who joined the priesthood to escape their homosexuality.
> Brings
> : >us back to that topic
>
> There's no escape hiding behind the boogeyman of religion. If religion
> didn't ostracize gays, there'd be no reason to "hide."
>
>
>
>
It is no suprise that Hillary would be defending homosexuality...she is a
lesbian after all.
What about Lloyd?

"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:bf6knh$7u2$5@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> In article <NZmRa.9154$6a5.289614@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> "David Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@san.rr.com> wrote:


> >> I never knew this NG was so bigoted and ignorant. If this said
ignorance is very
> >> widespread, readers would be wise to consider the value of automotive
opinions rendered
> >> here. This NG does seem to be a good recruiting place for the christian
reich
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Bigoted? Ignorant? Christrian Reich?
>
> If the shoe fits.
>

That's your problem Lloyd. People who disagree with you are automatically
bigots. You never leave room for any approaches to social problems other
than from the left. Just because there's some Nazi somewhere to the right
of your view (which, by the way doesn't make Nazism anywhere near
conservatism) doesn't invalidate conservative positions. You know how it
feels don't you? You pinko, socialist, commu....oops!.... I name call.
Nevermind :- )

>
> >I think the name calling is the
> >sign of ignorance. Name calling is pretty much about elevating yourself
by
> >putting down those around you.
> >
> >
> Except when it's accurate.

Kuzie wrote:

>>
> It is no suprise that Hillary would be defending homosexuality...she is a
> lesbian after all.
> What about Lloyd?

Are you implying Lloyd is a lesbian?
[well, someone was bound to say it...]

"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:bf6l48$7u2$9@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> In article <caqRa.12051$nq3.299432@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> "David Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@san.rr.com> wrote:

> >
> >I have my opinions, you have yours. But I don't sit there and call
people I
> >disagree with Nazis,
>
> Just abnormal, immoral, and pejorative terms.
>

Now there's the pot calling the kettle black.

>
> >or take on an heir of superiority and smugly lament the
> >ignorance of others.
>
> You've come across as quite "superior."
>

Perhaps because I think I'm right and you're wrong and right is superior to
wrong. But I don't feign superiority to make others look stupid.

> >
> >You know, these discussions are nothing but a tempest in a teapot. But,
> >they are enjoyable when the debate has an air of mutal respect, even with
> >jabs here and there. The gratuituous proclamations of stupidity or
> >ignorance based only on disagreement about things that are by nature
> >debatable is..... well..... (okay, I'll step in the pile).... ignorant!
> >
> >

"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:bf6l6g$7u2$10@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> In article <8EqRa.12097$nq3.300950@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> "David Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@san.rr.com> wrote:


> >> Talk about an "agenda?" The xtian right has caused more damage with
their
> >> abstinence crap and war against science aka evolution. I don't know
where
> >> you are, but I'd be more worried about a child be molested by the local
> >> priest.
> >>
> >
> >Extreme kooks on any side are dangerous. But to call abstinence "crap"
is
> >pretty extreme. Many faithful Christians (Jews, etc.) abstain until
> >marriage. They tend to be very happy and have successful family lives.
> >Hardly "crap" and hardly dangerous. Primarily good and anything but
> >dangerous (no VD, no children out of wedlock, no betrayal).
>
> What's "crap" is ONLY teaching abstinence, so teens who engage in sex
anyway
> have no idea of how to protect themselves.
>

Let's be clear here. Teaching ONLY abstinence and pretending that teenagers
will therefore not have sex is stupid. The real problem for many of us on
the right is entrusting the sexual education of our children to those who
are products of the sexual revolution.


> >
> >The religion I've grown up with has always respected science and doesn't
> >presumes there's a conflict between science and faith. No need to go to
war
> >against science. Just as there's no need for a scientist to go to war
> >against religion. I think those who teach one as a tool against the
other
> >are wrong.
> >
> >Be careful using that priest analogy. The guilty priests are typically
> >homosexuals who joined the priesthood to escape their homosexuality.
Brings
> >us back to that topic
>
> You should know most child molestors are heterosexuals.
>

Is that true for the Catholic priests involved in molestation?

"Kuzie" <greg.kuzmanich@NOSPAMintel.com> wrote in message
news:bf6u7v$8as$1@news01.intel.com...
: "Hillary Clinton" <noreason@nolife.com> wrote in message
: news0CRa.9004$Bp2.7135@fed1read07...
: >
: > "Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
: > news:bf6l6g$7u2$10@puck.cc.emory.edu...
: > : In article <8EqRa.12097$nq3.300950@twister.socal.rr.com>,
: > : "David Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@san.rr.com> wrote:
: > : >
: > : >"Hillary Clinton" <Suckonthis@yougirlyboys.com> wrote in message
: > : >news:0koRa.8602$Bp2.2415@fed1read07...
: > : >>
: > : >> "David Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@san.rr.com> wrote in message
: > : >> news:xSmRa.9152$6a5.288739@twister.socal.rr.com...
: > :
: > :
: > : What's "crap" is ONLY teaching abstinence, so teens who engage in sex
: > anyway
: > : have no idea of how to protect themselves.
: >
: > Abstinence is a religious concept, not a scientific one. Bye bye wall
of
: > separation.....
: >
: >
: > : >
: > : >Be careful using that priest analogy. The guilty priests are
typically
: > : >homosexuals who joined the priesthood to escape their homosexuality.
: > Brings
: > : >us back to that topic
: >
: > There's no escape hiding behind the boogeyman of religion. If religion
: > didn't ostracize gays, there'd be no reason to "hide."
: >
: >
: >
: >
: It is no suprise that Hillary would be defending homosexuality...she is a
: lesbian after all.
: What about Lloyd?
:
:

typical no brainer from a lame brain. tell me, krusty kuzie, have you ever
posted anything intelligent in your dimwitted life?

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:57:52 -0400, Bill Putney <peva@kinez.net>
wrote:

>Laura's Rancid Bush wrote:
>>
>> I never knew this NG was so bigoted and ignorant. If this said ignorance is very
>> widespread, readers would be wise to consider the value of automotive opinions rendered
>> here. This NG does seem to be a good recruiting place for the christian reich
>
>And of course, everyone knows that if you hate Christians, that's not
>bigoted. I'll have to remember that one.

The pastor of my church recently went out of his way to explain to the
congregation what we should do if a gay attended our church. He spoke
for almost an hour, but his message was simple.

We should welcome them with open arms.

>You know - if the ratio of God-haters to God-lovers were 99 to 1, I'd be
>honored to be included in the 1 per cent, and I'd galdly die for the
>privilege.

So would I, and we might one day get close to that percentage if the
liberals in this country get their way.

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 02:20:29 GMT, 'nuther Bob
<noonehere@thisaddress.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:57:52 -0400, Bill Putney <peva@kinez.net>
>wrote:
>
>>You know - if the ratio of God-haters to God-lovers were 99 to 1, I'd be
>>honored to be included in the 1 per cent, and I'd galdly die for the
>>privilege.
>
>Geez, now where have I heard that kind of zealotry before ? Oh, I know
>it was the Islamic terrorist who've decided that dying for _their_ God
>is a way to get to heaven.
>
>Bob

I will pray for you Bob.

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:42:55 +0100, "Dori Schmetterling"
<ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

>If mobile-phone use in Jeeps is increasingly restricted, where else can we
>use them if not in restaurants...

In Honda's?