"Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
news:FNfLb.338208$Y72.4326@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Douglas A. Shrader wrote:
> > "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
> > news:IqYKb.330811$Y72.130882@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >> Douglas A. Shrader wrote:
> >>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:eZLKb.327472$Y72.60729@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >>>> L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
> >>>>> Roughly 1/6/04 14:40, DBurch7672's monkeys randomly typed:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Part-time 4WD is pointless - if you're going to have 4WD have it
> >>>>>> all the time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That's one opinion. Not one held by anyone with a clue about
> >>>>> 4x4 drive systems, but an opinion nontheless.
> >>>>>>
> >>>> So, errr, what exactly is the advantage of part-time 4WD?
> >>>
> >>> I can turn much sharper in 2 wheel drive than I can when I engage
> >>> the four wheel drive, tthe last full time I had (a Jeep pickup)
> >>> would eat a set of front tires in 10,000 miles, you get better fuel
> >>> milage in 2 wheel drive, you have less wear and tear on the vehicle
> >>> in 2 wheel drive and 95% of the time I don't need four wheel drive,
> >>> but when I need it I NEED it, so what would be the point of full
> >>> time?
> >>
> >> If your 4WD setup reduces your turning ability and eats tyres like
> >> that it must be a very bad setup.
> >
> > You simply cannot turn the front wheels as sharply when you have an
> > axle trying to turn also as you can with no turning axle. Even the
> > part time 4x4 will bind when making a sharp turn in 4 wheel drive
> > mode.
> >
> What are you talking about? My axle doesn't turn - I doubt yours does
> either!
How do you get power to your front wheels if the front axle doesn't turn?
That is BS, the front wheels are turned by the front axle, that has a
u-joint that binds if forced to turn at to sharp an angle, hence the binding
if you attempt a sharp turn. From your statement I have to assume you have
no clue how four wheel drives work, thus I have no more interest in
conversing with you on this subject.
I expect part-time 4WD to bind when turning, but not a permanent 4WD
> system with 3 diffs.
>
> > I'm sure not all full time 4x4's eat tires like that Jeep did, but
> > they still have accelerated tire wear, now way around it.
> >
> Why? 200hp divided by 4 wheels driven is 50hp each, half that of 2WD. As
> long as you have a well designed 3 diff 4WD system wear will not increase
> over 2WD.
>
> > My tyres (with fulltime 4WD) last 40,000 miles and
> >> handling is unaffected. As for fuel consumption, the savings are very
> >> marginal from what I have experienced, perhaps there are some
> >> figures that would demonstrate the savings? As for wear and tear,
> >> well it must be a delicate vehicle if driving your 4WD in 4WD wears
> >> it out prematurely.
> >
> > Drive a part time 4x4 and you wouldn't make such statements. Tires,
> > sure, you get 40,000 in fulltime, you might get 60,000 on the same
> > tires with part time, and your handling is affected, you are just
> > compensating for it. Milage varies greatly, large decrease when
> > driving in four wheel drive mode, even the owners manuals will tell
> > you that, not to mention the hit you see when you refuel.
> >
> I own a part-time 4WD LR Series 2. The tyres don't last any longer than my
> Discovery. I'm not compensating for the fact that my Disco handles
better -
> it handles better *because* it is 4WD. When I drive my SII in 2 or 4WD the
> mileage varies by 1mpg at most.
>
> >>
> >> The point of full-time 4WD is that it is always there when you need
> >> it. You hit a greasy bit of tarmac, its already there, pulling out
> >> of a wet junction - already there. Patchy snow covered road with
> >> some clear tarmac, already there. Towing heavy loads on road etc,
> >> etc.
> >
> > THe point of learning to drive, you don't need it there. Hit a greasy
> > bit of tarmac, who cares, just go on across, you don't need four
> > wheel drive for that. Wet junction, same thing, even if it's solid
> > ice you don't need four wheel drive, you just need driving ability.
> > None of the items you listed require four wheel drive, sure in some
> > cases it makes it a bit easier, but not required by any means
> >
> Yeah right. And if I eat enough carrots I don't need headlights either. .
..
> . . . Makes me wonder why all these idiots buy 4WD.
>
> >>
> >> I wonder if part-time is so good, why all manufacturers have or are
> >> dumping it?
> >
> > Many good ideas are left behind because the general public is to dumb
> > to survive without help. Sure there are smart individuals but they
> > don't buy enough to control the market. Please don't take that as a
> > personal insult, it isn't intended as such. Don't know about your
> > country but quality is fading fast here because to many people base
> > purchase decisions on price. Why spend $20.00 on a wrench when I can
> > buy this one for $2.00? Then when the $2.00 bends they gripe about it
> > "they don't build things like they used to", then they go out and buy
> > another $2.00 wrench. Part time is great for people like me, I really
> > don't care what you want to drive. You asked for reasons, I gave you
> > reasons. To and for me they are valid, to each his own.
>
> As I said before I own bothe full and part-time 4WD vehicles, so I get a
> good view of both. It is fair to say that your reasons are vaild to you
and
> I respect that, I do suspect that the real problem is the lack of
> availability of decent permanent 4WD system in US vehicles. As you say,
cars
> are cheaper in the US and purchased more on price than here in my
experience
> which is why I thin low-tech is more acceptable as long as the price is
also
> low.
>
> --
> Julian
> ---------
> = Pretentious Sig required =
>
>
92Lb.332658$Y72.128312@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...