johnny curt 1
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ive seen what they use its a similar setup to what i described but instead of the co2 cylinder they use a 10lb foam or powder extinguisher with a cable put through the levers so the extinguisher can be put in the back out of harms way operated by a lever or handle mounted in the footwell or on the dash along with a battery kill switch and fuel shut off switch for the solenoid
i know a few people who race cars semi profesional such as
terry king / geoff goodliffe / pete hammond
all these lads will tell you before you do anything with a car towards racing make sure you can put the fooker out first
not a harley rider
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Doesn't need to be the fuel that catches fire though ... could be electrical or you could get hit by a petrol car on the road that then catches fire while under your Landy etc etc ...
A mate of mine who's a fire fighter informed me that one of the most dangerous items under the bonnet is the brake reservoir, apparently when burnt it becomes highly unstable & the popping noise is normally the reservoir exploding under the bonnet. Take care when lifting it !
I'm fitting an extinguisher this weekend
Andy Land
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A mate of mine who's a fire fighter informed me that one of the most dangerous items under the bonnet is the brake reservoir, apparently when burnt it becomes highly unstable & the popping noise is normally the reservoir exploding under the bonnet. Take care when lifting it !
I'm fitting an extinguisher this weekend
Good work fella ...
No ... but I like your thinking
Why do you say no? I'd say yes!
Especially for something like a run away engine running on oil, but, any kind of fire, if you swamped the area with CO2 it's not going to survive.
johnny curt 1
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the only real reason i propose to use a pub gas bottle is money for an extinguisher the same capacity your lookin at roughly £40-£50 and only carries up to 20bar pressure with a pub gas bottle you can get them refilled again and again up to a nominal 100bar pressure giveing it that much more clout for a lot longer than an extinguisher
and the only thing i can think of thats different is turning a knob to activate it rather than squeeze a trigger wich could get cought and accidentaly opperated by anything during normal vehicle use a bottle valve wont
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the only real reason i propose to use a pub gas bottle is money for an extinguisher the same capacity your lookin at roughly £40-£50 and only carries up to 20bar pressure with a pub gas bottle you can get them refilled again and again up to a nominal 100bar pressure giveing it that much more clout for a lot longer than an extinguisher
and the only thing i can think of thats different is turning a knob to activate it rather than squeeze a trigger wich could get cought and accidentaly opperated by anything during normal vehicle use a bottle valve wont
Be funny as **** when you first use it and your wings and bonnet all fly off in different directions
johnny curt 1
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Be funny as **** when you first use it and your wings and bonnet all fly off in different directions
you know if i get this series project i just might try it during the stripdown process and film it for youtube to see what happens lmfao :hysterically_laughi:hysterically_laughi:hysterically_laughi:hysterically_laughi
Mr Noisy
Coming in your ears.
Seal up the doors and windows and let the bottle off? Lol
i think a CO2 cylinder rigged up to flood the engine bay would work well.
like you say, theres plenty of volume stored in there, should easily be enough for an engine bay, even when counting huge wastage.
could only try it and see!
i think a CO2 cylinder rigged up to flood the engine bay would work well.
like you say, theres plenty of volume stored in there, should easily be enough for an engine bay, even when counting huge wastage.
could only try it and see!
Oldseadog
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I carry a couple of CO2 and at least one AFFF foam. The gas puts it out and the foam creates an non-destructive blanket.
The idea of using a big CO2 gas bottle has been around on boat engine rooms for years, and is plumbed in using plastic pipe. When the pipe gets too warm it ruptures and fills the area with gas.
The only trouble with using gas is that once it has dissipated, the cause of the fire has to be found and isolated otherwise it can flare up again.
Powder is no good for anything that involves machinery, as it causes moving faces to score and that results in major rebuilds!
The idea of using a big CO2 gas bottle has been around on boat engine rooms for years, and is plumbed in using plastic pipe. When the pipe gets too warm it ruptures and fills the area with gas.
The only trouble with using gas is that once it has dissipated, the cause of the fire has to be found and isolated otherwise it can flare up again.
Powder is no good for anything that involves machinery, as it causes moving faces to score and that results in major rebuilds!
I suppose if you want to do it properly you need to use argon gas (i think... we have it in all the equipment rooms at work, if the alarm goes off you have 2 minutes to get the hell out of their before the room is flooded with the gas... if you don't make it out it's not pretty)
You might find you need a license to transport the pub co2 cylinders?
You might find you need a license to transport the pub co2 cylinders?
Andy Land
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I carry 2 2kg co2 , 2x9L foam (AFFF) and 2x6kg Powder , and BA Set in my 110
Do you carry many fireworks when off roading?
johnny curt 1
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if your transporting a few cylinders then yes you will need a pressurised container handling certificate wich i have its life long certification and you have to transport such vessels in accordance with uk health and safety laws
im currently doing a hell of a lot of welding and have 4 pub gas bottles when i go to get them refilled i use a cut pallet upside down in the boot of me mondildo wich is just right for stabilising the bottles and a small ratchet strap over them for good measure
as long as you have a sign or sticker normally a green diamond one with a black bottle in the middle stating you have high compressed innert gas onboard and a label or note in the vesinity of this lable stating how many cylinders at what capacity and pressure for emergency information
nobody can say a fhuuuukin thing
my ticket is mainly for the big 6 foot 300bar oxy /acetylene/argon/nitron/freeon /co2 and aztec stainless welding gas storage fitting and handling ticket
johnny curt 1
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we breathe in oxygen in the air and breathe out co2 so yeah it would but fire uses the same as us if you replace the oxygen with the co2 the fire cant breathe and dies out
my idea is for the engine bay only as were not breatheing in there so as long as the cab is ventilated it should be safe enough to vacate the vehicle and go back once the fire is out to shut the botle off
You want Co2 or Dry Powder for a car NOT AFF unless you dont like breathing or can be assured you have lots of air around you, Powders and Foam are the best but they are also the worst to clear up afterwards,
Carry a 2kg Powder between the front seats mounted to the rear Bulkhead and a life hammer just infront of the rear view mirror ( Infront as in its between me and the rvm) That way both peeps can get at it in any state,
Now ive got a dog guard thinking of doing the same in the back as I have two side seats in the rear.
Agree it should be law to carry an extinguisher.
Also got a small one that sits on my welder trolly and a 6kg one on the wall of the garage.
Carry a 2kg Powder between the front seats mounted to the rear Bulkhead and a life hammer just infront of the rear view mirror ( Infront as in its between me and the rvm) That way both peeps can get at it in any state,
Now ive got a dog guard thinking of doing the same in the back as I have two side seats in the rear.
Agree it should be law to carry an extinguisher.
Also got a small one that sits on my welder trolly and a 6kg one on the wall of the garage.
DTd5
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You can't get hold of argon extinguishers any more, it was banned a good few years back, great as an extinguisher, but deadly!!
johnny curt 1
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all i know is argon is fekkkin mint for use in a mig welder set up for aluminium welding amazing how neat it makes it against aztec or coogair but be warned migwelding ali is not for the faint hearted you gotta move fast or itll just obliterate the workpiece
