Toms is good.... very good, Bala is also good, good all round day out Bala, its not all water, infact theres not alot and if its deep, its sign posted, theres alot of easy stuff, and some more technical in the wooded areas, its a good place to go if ur a newby too, plenty of people about if u f*ck things up, i go there quite often now for a mellow day out off roading, as i know im not gonna break anything (touch wood), its a nice drive there too, u pass a massive country estate (forget its name, its well known) that has a posh butty van cooks all fresh food from the farm, all the bikers stop there, makes a good stop on the way there... and back